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Are the Republicans holding back the social and economic progress of the United States?

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Kanery
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Postby Kanery » Sat Mar 02, 2013 3:09 pm

Terran Empire wrote:I dont think its just the Republicants... I think its also the Democraps. It pretty much everyone. Both are set in their ways so much that it gets in the way of actually solving a problem.

Shit i dunno, wipe the slate clean and start with all new people....

But of course the backlash.

I think we should go back to a Federalist Administration. Frankly, having a single party that can get stuff done without hindrance would be refreshing. And besides, the John Adams Administration went so well! Since Adams left office, this country has had to go through the Civil War, 9/11, the Great depression, the current Depression, the $16,000,000,000,000 National Debt, the Japanese internment camps of WWII, the Pearl Harbor attack, the spread of polio, the spread of AIDS, the rise of the Taliban, the rise of the USSR, the rise of the KKK, the rise of the Tea Party, the creation of Gitmo, the Annexation of Texas, the waging and failure of the various wars on Terror, Drugs, and Poverty, and every kind of Sequester and Fiscal Cliff in the history of the human species.
These problems all came from the Republicans, and are traceable all the way back to Jefferson.
These problems are complicated, but the solution is simple: ADAMS 2016!
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Postby Alekera » Sat Mar 02, 2013 6:22 pm

CTALNH wrote:The right question is.

Is capitalism holding the US back?


The answer: No.

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Postby Farnhamia » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:09 pm

Kanery wrote:
Terran Empire wrote:I dont think its just the Republicants... I think its also the Democraps. It pretty much everyone. Both are set in their ways so much that it gets in the way of actually solving a problem.

Shit i dunno, wipe the slate clean and start with all new people....

But of course the backlash.

I think we should go back to a Federalist Administration. Frankly, having a single party that can get stuff done without hindrance would be refreshing. And besides, the John Adams Administration went so well! Since Adams left office, this country has had to go through the Civil War, 9/11, the Great depression, the current Depression, the $16,000,000,000,000 National Debt, the Japanese internment camps of WWII, the Pearl Harbor attack, the spread of polio, the spread of AIDS, the rise of the Taliban, the rise of the USSR, the rise of the KKK, the rise of the Tea Party, the creation of Gitmo, the Annexation of Texas, the waging and failure of the various wars on Terror, Drugs, and Poverty, and every kind of Sequester and Fiscal Cliff in the history of the human species.
These problems all came from the Republicans, and are traceable all the way back to Jefferson.
These problems are complicated, but the solution is simple: ADAMS 2016!

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Postby Union of Democratic Socialists » Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:16 pm

I think Republicans are literaly holding the US back. They Filibuster anything that moves. They just took us over a cliff. Oh yea and the only death panel is in Arizona. I think that is held by Republicans right?

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Postby Vedastia » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:28 am

As a Republican, I'm embarrassed by a lot of the crap that my party has been pulling lately, so yes and no.
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Postby United Dependencies » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:37 am

Vedastia wrote:As a Republican, I'm embarrassed by a lot of the crap that my party has been pulling lately, so yes and no.

Just blame the primary system and gerrymandering.
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Postby Freiheit Reich » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:53 am

Twilliamson wrote:
Freiheit Reich wrote:
I live simpler than many people getting food stamps and welfare (although by choice). I have no fridge, no cable TV, no washing machine (must wash clothes by hand), and no car. I am able to survive. Many 'poor' people I have seen buy name brand clothes (brand new as well) when they could save by going to a thrift store. Hard to feel sorry for them.

People should have the freedom to work for whatever wage they choose. Minimum wage is anti-freedom.

yeah because freedom is being able to pay your empolyess unliveable wages. Yeah and haveing to pay your employes a resonable amount is goverment tyranny.


Slavery is illegal in most countries. If I agree to accept your low wages than that is my perogative. I made the choice, why won't the government let me work for a wage I feel is acceptable?

If I have a small business I might make an additional $5 profit per hour by hiring an extra worker. Would I hire him for $3 an hour? Yes, if I want to maximize profits. Would I hire him for $7 an hour? No, unless I am an idiot.

Basic economics. Only hire a worker if he adds value to the company. Wages should be set by supply and demand period. This is the only "fair" wage.
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:55 am

Terran Empire wrote:I dont think its just the Republicants... I think its also the Democraps. It pretty much everyone. Both are set in their ways so much that it gets in the way of actually solving a problem.

Shit i dunno, wipe the slate clean and start with all new people....

But of course the backlash.


Isn't this still an offense?

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Postby Vedastia » Sun Mar 03, 2013 2:31 am

United Dependencies wrote:
Vedastia wrote:As a Republican, I'm embarrassed by a lot of the crap that my party has been pulling lately, so yes and no.

Just blame the primary system and gerrymandering.

Pretty much.
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Mkuki
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Postby Mkuki » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:04 am

I say yes, but I'd also like to add that a number of Democrats are doing the same thing as the Republicans. I would suggest cleaning house and remodeling our political system, i.e. dismantling both parties. Then again that would be a crazy thought to some. :(

I think one important question to ask is: When has any conservative cause and/or policy ever won public opinion as time has passed since 1789?
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:05 am

Fessleria wrote:
Latonos wrote:Where Socialism is slowly becoming more popular


And where stupid people think that Socialism might even have the smallest chance of working!
Oh my God, I am so tired of people like you. The. Fucking. Nordic. Model. Proves. It. Can. In. Fact. Work. ENDTHREAD.
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Postby Mkuki » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:07 am

Arglorand wrote:
Fessleria wrote:
And where stupid people think that Socialism might even have the smallest chance of working!
Oh my God, I am so tired of people like you. The. Fucking. Nordic. Model. Proves. It. Can. In. Fact. Work. ENDTHREAD.

I don't think the Nordic Model is pure socialism. More socialistic.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 03, 2013 4:11 am

Mkuki wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Oh my God, I am so tired of people like you. The. Fucking. Nordic. Model. Proves. It. Can. In. Fact. Work. ENDTHREAD.

I don't think the Nordic Model is pure socialism. More socialistic.

Of course it's not. I don't believe in an immediate transition to socialism. But a gradual transition via social democracy as the Nordic countries are doing is working out very successfully.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Postby Divair » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:18 am

Mkuki wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Oh my God, I am so tired of people like you. The. Fucking. Nordic. Model. Proves. It. Can. In. Fact. Work. ENDTHREAD.

I don't think the Nordic Model is pure socialism. More socialistic.

The Nordic model isn't socialist at all. It's social democrat.

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Postby Dainer » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:21 am

Question: are Republicans holding the US back?

Answer: the simple fact that you have to ASK that, tells a lot about the political climate over there.
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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 03, 2013 5:23 am

Divair wrote:
Mkuki wrote:I don't think the Nordic Model is pure socialism. More socialistic.

The Nordic model isn't socialist at all. It's social democrat.

The American Right tends to imagine social democracy as socialism if not communism, though, so you can see where I'm coming from.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
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Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Sun Mar 03, 2013 12:53 pm

Arglorand wrote:
Divair wrote:The Nordic model isn't socialist at all. It's social democrat.

The American Right tends to imagine social democracy as socialism if not communism, though, so you can see where I'm coming from.


If you're all for the nordic model, the least you could do is refer to it with the proper terminology.

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Postby Arglorand » Sun Mar 03, 2013 1:14 pm

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Arglorand wrote:The American Right tends to imagine social democracy as socialism if not communism, though, so you can see where I'm coming from.


If you're all for the nordic model, the least you could do is refer to it with the proper terminology.

I do when I'm not just overly irked at the time; it's just that this 'socialism does not EVER work' stuff sounds, to me, like a thinly veiled attack on social democracy as well - it quite often happens to be. I apologize for my misuse of terminology.
Kosovo is Morrowind. N'wah.
Impeach Dagoth Ur, legalise Daedra worship, the Empire is theft. Nerevarine 3E 427.

Pros: Dunmeri independence, abolition of the Empire, the Daedra, Morag Tong, House Redoran, Ashlander interests, abolitionism, Dissident Priests, canonisation of St. Jiub the Cliff Racer Slayer.
Cons: Imperials, the Empire, the False Tribunal, Dagoth Ur, House Hlaalu, Imperials, the Eight Divines, "Talos", "Nords", Imperial unionism, Imperials.

I am a: Social Democrat | Bright green | Republican | Intersectional feminist | Civic nationalist | Multiculturalist
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Postby Lemanrussland » Mon Mar 04, 2013 10:19 am

Arglorand wrote:
Fessleria wrote:
And where stupid people think that Socialism might even have the smallest chance of working!
Oh my God, I am so tired of people like you. The. Fucking. Nordic. Model. Proves. It. Can. In. Fact. Work. ENDTHREAD.

The Nordic Model isn't socialism though. It's market capitalism, with social welfare programs, collective bargaining, free trade, investments in physical infrastructure, investments in science and education, legal institutions to provide a legal framework for the financial system to operate in, and quite high taxes. It's the same thing Germany, or any really good country has, just on a greater scale.

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Postby Republica Newland » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:42 am

Kanery wrote:
Terran Empire wrote:I dont think its just the Republicants... I think its also the Democraps. It pretty much everyone. Both are set in their ways so much that it gets in the way of actually solving a problem.

Shit i dunno, wipe the slate clean and start with all new people....

But of course the backlash.

I think we should go back to a Federalist Administration. Frankly, having a single party that can get stuff done without hindrance would be refreshing. And besides, the John Adams Administration went so well! Since Adams left office, this country has had to go through the Civil War, 9/11, the Great depression, the current Depression, the $16,000,000,000,000 National Debt, the Japanese internment camps of WWII, the Pearl Harbor attack, the spread of polio, the spread of AIDS, the rise of the Taliban, the rise of the USSR, the rise of the KKK, the rise of the Tea Party, the creation of Gitmo, the Annexation of Texas, the waging and failure of the various wars on Terror, Drugs, and Poverty, and every kind of Sequester and Fiscal Cliff in the history of the human species.
These problems all came from the Republicans, and are traceable all the way back to Jefferson.
These problems are complicated, but the solution is simple: ADAMS 2016!


:palm:

The War on Drugs is obviously traceable all the way back to Jefferson. Must be rolling in his grave,carrying such a great burden and all. Poor fella.
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Postby Republica Newland » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:45 am

Arglorand wrote:
Mkuki wrote:I don't think the Nordic Model is pure socialism. More socialistic.

Of course it's not. I don't believe in an immediate transition to socialism. But a gradual transition via social democracy as the Nordic countries are doing is working out very successfully.


The final target is DPRK amirite?
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Postby Divair » Tue Mar 05, 2013 7:47 am

Republica Newland wrote:
Arglorand wrote:Of course it's not. I don't believe in an immediate transition to socialism. But a gradual transition via social democracy as the Nordic countries are doing is working out very successfully.


The final target is DPRK amirite?

Where did he mention Juche, state capitalism, or a monarchy?

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Postby Republica Newland » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:28 am

Divair wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:
The final target is DPRK amirite?

Where did he mention Juche, state capitalism, or a monarchy?


Whatever he was thinking about.. it won't ever happen to America. Which is a good thing.
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Postby Western Mars » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:41 am

Republica Newland wrote:
Kanery wrote:I think we should go back to a Federalist Administration. Frankly, having a single party that can get stuff done without hindrance would be refreshing. And besides, the John Adams Administration went so well! Since Adams left office, this country has had to go through the Civil War, 9/11, the Great depression, the current Depression, the $16,000,000,000,000 National Debt, the Japanese internment camps of WWII, the Pearl Harbor attack, the spread of polio, the spread of AIDS, the rise of the Taliban, the rise of the USSR, the rise of the KKK, the rise of the Tea Party, the creation of Gitmo, the Annexation of Texas, the waging and failure of the various wars on Terror, Drugs, and Poverty, and every kind of Sequester and Fiscal Cliff in the history of the human species.
These problems all came from the Republicans, and are traceable all the way back to Jefferson.
These problems are complicated, but the solution is simple: ADAMS 2016!


:palm:

The War on Drugs is obviously traceable all the way back to Jefferson. Must be rolling in his grave,carrying such a great burden and all. Poor fella.


He's being sarcastic, I'm 99% sure.
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Postby Republica Newland » Wed Mar 06, 2013 2:46 am

Western Mars wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:
:palm:

The War on Drugs is obviously traceable all the way back to Jefferson. Must be rolling in his grave,carrying such a great burden and all. Poor fella.


He's being sarcastic, I'm 99% sure.


Also Jefferson and Franklin are evil hypocrite Whitey.
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