Are Republicans holding the US back?

[Alekera]

Its funny how many people on here advocate democracy and the "will of the people", but when the majority disagrees with you, its wrong.

Note: I not for or against gay marriage, I just wish the government wasn't in the business of love.

Well, the government is. I personally am very much against direct democracy. Would you like to be told that you can't do something that every Jack and Jill can do, just because of who you are? I don't think you would be very happy with that.

The government shouldn't, which would render this argument notional.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

Marriage is not sacred in the eyes of God.

Proverbs 18:22 "
He who finds a wife, finds what is good and receives favor from The Lord."


Matthew 19:4-6
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

1 Corinthians 7:1-16
"Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I say this as a concession, not as a command. I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?"

Hebrews 13:4-7
"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So we say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?" Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith."


Tell me that marriage is not sacred to The Lord.

[Ceannairceach]

Marriage is not sacred in the eyes of God.

EDIT: Fuck, wrong poster >.<

[Farnhamia]

Well, the government is. I personally am very much against direct democracy. Would you like to be told that you can't do something that every Jack and Jill can do, just because of who you are? I don't think you would be very happy with that.

The government shouldn't, which would render this argument notional.

You can work toward that goal. Get cracking. Until you succeed, it is unfair for some citizens to have rights that all citizens do not.

[The Nuclear Fist]

Tell me that marriage is not sacred to The Lord.

Marriage predates Christianity by quite a bit. Also, the US is a secular nation, so religious arguments are doubly null and void when considering marriage.

You want to discriminate and deny LGBT people their rights? Move to a country where there is no separation of church and state. Saudi Arabia, for example. I hear it's nice this time of year.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Tell me that marriage is not sacred to The Lord.

OK.

Marriage is not sacred to God. I care nothing for your false book.

[Farnhamia]

Marriage is not sacred in the eyes of God.

Proverbs 18:22 "
He who finds a wife, finds what is good and receives favor from The Lord."


Matthew 19:4-6
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

1 Corinthians 7:1-16
"Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I say this as a concession, not as a command. I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?"

Hebrews 13:4-7
"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So we say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?" Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith."


Tell me that marriage is not sacred to The Lord.

Your particular religious beliefs should not override my rights as an American citizen. No one will be coming to your church and saying you have to marry gays. Really. No one will, and if someone does, you can tell them to go away.

[Alekera]

The government shouldn't, which would render this argument notional.

You can work toward that goal. Get cracking. Until you succeed, it is unfair for some citizens to have rights that all citizens do not.

Would you be in favor of getting government out of marriage or would you just settle for legalizing gay marriage? Serious question.

Note: Once you legalize gay marriage, I'm sure that the polygamists and the incestrists (is that even a word?) are going to want their love being legalized...

[EnragedMaldivians]

Marriage is not sacred in the eyes of God.

Proverbs 18:22 "
He who finds a wife, finds what is good and receives favor from The Lord."


Matthew 19:4-6
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

1 Corinthians 7:1-16
"Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I say this as a concession, not as a command. I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?"

Hebrews 13:4-7
"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So we say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?" Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith."


Tell me that marriage is not sacred to The Lord.

I've not been a big fan of the lord since he tried to kill my friend, Frodo.

Anyway, the U.S doesn't use the bible as a basis for its laws. What "The Lord" thinks is sacred shouldn't be relevant to your laws.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

Alright, have fun trying to tell Nebraskans what to do (almost certainly to no avail). I've better things to do than bicker with liberals who refuse to understand that Nebraska does not give a damn what you say. I actually have work to do, sorry.

[Ceannairceach]

Alright, have fun trying to tell Nebraskans what to do (almost certainly to no avail). I've better things to do than bicker with liberals who refuse to understand that Nebraska does not give a damn what you say. I actually have work to do, sorry.

Nebraska will fall in line with US law once it comes about. They've done so before, and they'll do so again.

[Farnhamia]

You can work toward that goal. Get cracking. Until you succeed, it is unfair for some citizens to have rights that all citizens do not.

Would you be in favor of getting government out of marriage or would you just settle for legalizing gay marriage? Serious question.

Note: Once you legalize gay marriage, I'm sure that the polygamists and the incestrists (is that even a word?) are going to want their love being legalized...

Legalizing gay marriage is much more easily attained. As for polygamy, I have no problem with that, assuming the legalities are worked out. Incest is more difficult. I would certainly not permit marriages between parents and their children. I've never thought about sibling marriage.

[Alekera]

Would you be in favor of getting government out of marriage or would you just settle for legalizing gay marriage? Serious question.

Note: Once you legalize gay marriage, I'm sure that the polygamists and the incestrists (is that even a word?) are going to want their love being legalized...

Legalizing gay marriage is much more easily attained. As for polygamy, I have no problem with that, assuming the legalities are worked out. Incest is more difficult. I would certainly not permit marriages between parents and their children. I've never thought about sibling marriage.

Playing Devil's advocate; why would you not be in favor of parent-sibling marriage or sibling-sibling marriage? Is it your morals or something else?

[Farnhamia]

Legalizing gay marriage is much more easily attained. As for polygamy, I have no problem with that, assuming the legalities are worked out. Incest is more difficult. I would certainly not permit marriages between parents and their children. I've never thought about sibling marriage.

Playing Devil's advocate; why would you not be in favor of parent-sibling marriage or sibling-sibling marriage? Is it your morals or something else?

Parents exercise authority over their children. You can't be sure the child is not being coerced, even an adult child.

[Ethel mermania]

Proverbs 18:22 "
He who finds a wife, finds what is good and receives favor from The Lord."


Matthew 19:4-6
"Haven't you read," he replied, "that at the beginning the Creator 'made them male and female,' and said, 'For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh' ? So they are no longer two, but one. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate."

1 Corinthians 7:1-16
"Now for the matters you wrote about: It is good for a man not to marry. But since there is so much immorality, each man should have his own wife, and each woman her own husband. The husband should fulfill his marital duty to his wife, and likewise the wife to her husband. The wife's body does not belong to her alone but also to her husband. In the same way, the husband's body does not belong to him alone but also to his wife. Do not deprive each other except by mutual consent and for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer. Then come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. I say this as a concession, not as a command. I wish that all men were as I am. But each man has his own gift from God; one has this gift, another has that. Now to the unmarried and the widows I say: It is good for them to stay unmarried, as I am. But if they cannot control themselves, they should marry, for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. To the married I give this command (not I, but the Lord): A wife must not separate from her husband. But if she does, she must remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband. And a husband must not divorce his wife. To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy. But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace. How do you know, wife, whether you will save your husband? Or, how do you know, husband, whether you will save your wife?"

Hebrews 13:4-7
"Marriage should be honored by all, and the marriage bed kept pure, for God will judge the adulterer and all the sexually immoral. Keep your lives free from the love of money and be content with what you have, because God has said, "Never will I leave you; never will I forsake you." So we say with confidence, "The Lord is my helper; I will not be afraid. What can man do to me?" Remember your leaders, who spoke the word of God to you. Consider the outcome of their way of life and imitate their faith."


Tell me that marriage is not sacred to The Lord.

I've not been a big fan of the lord since he tried to kill my friend, Frodo.

Anyway, the U.S doesn't use the bible as a basis for its laws. What "The Lord" thinks is sacred shouldn't be relevant to your laws.

jack lord did not ever try to kill frodo.

this man tried to kill frodo

[Alekera]

Playing Devil's advocate; why would you not be in favor of parent-sibling marriage or sibling-sibling marriage? Is it your morals or something else?

Parents exercise authority over their children. You can't be sure the child is not being coerced, even an adult child.

We have laws against coercion, it can be defined as extortion (maybe slavery?), which is illegal.

[Wamitoria]

Parents exercise authority over their children. You can't be sure the child is not being coerced, even an adult child.

We have laws against coercion, it can be defined as extortion (maybe slavery?), which is illegal.

Thread is not about incest or pedophilic behavior. At all.

[Alekera]

We have laws against coercion, it can be defined as extortion (maybe slavery?), which is illegal.

Thread is not about incest or pedophilic behavior. At all.

I know, but if we're talking about legalizing two different kinds of marriage, why not all?

Note: I'm playing Devil's advocate...

[Neutraligon]

Thread is not about incest or pedophilic behavior. At all.

I know, but if we're talking about legalizing two different kinds of marriage, why not all?

Note: I'm playing Devil's advocate...

Personally as long as they are consenting adults (no coercion and all that stuff) I have no issue with polygamy, polyandry, or incestuous marriage. There are of course numerous legal issues that have to be dealt with in all these cases, however.

[Grenartia]

1. If Nebraskans support gay marriage, than I'll have to agree with you. But we won't, not now, not any time soon. 2. Maybe someday, but that would have to be the distant future. 3. But pushing people into allowing gay marriage is going to bring an unpleasant light to the topic. 4. In violating the rights of the people of Nebraska you'll only cause widespread resentment against homosexuals. 5. To force us to do anything is the worst possible way to do any kind of reform. 6. Interventionist policies will only be your down fall. If the people of Nebraska will change, certainly it will be gradual.

1. So what you're saying is, its ok to dehumanize somebody if the majority thinks its ok? That's fucking bullshit.

2. I shouldn't have to live with being a second-class citizen until 'someday in the distant future'.

3. And what light, exactly, is that?

4. How many times do we have to drill this through your head? LGBT rights violates NOBODY'S rights! Not to mention your statement reeks of "everything would be fine if these damn minorities would stop clamoring for equal treatment".

5. The ONLY thing that's being forced is legal recognition of same-sex marriage. Nothing else. And its hardly oppressive. Churches can still choose to be bigoted if they feel so inclined.

6. And discriminatory policies will be yours.

If it was forced upon Nebraskans by the federal government that they can't discriminate against homosexuals, I fail to see what exactly you're going to do about it. I mean, you can whine about it here and yell and moan, and play victim but there would be literally nothing, absolutely nothing you could do about it. Human rights take precedence over democracy.

1. Well, friend we shall fight you every step of the way. 2. Some in the Supreme Court have tried to overrule the Articlr of our state constitution that protected marriage, but we simply said no to the agitators. If such a bill shall ever pass, it will make little difference, as we will defend Article I-29 until our last breath. 3. I hope I shall never see the day when morality and ethics loses in our great state, but being 16 I fear I may one day see this. 4. No matter, we'll be defiant until the bitter end.

1. What, like the South with desegregation? You're not making your case very well.

2. Protected marriage from what? There's nothing to protect it from, because there's no threat to it. And agitators?

3. By banning same-sex marriage morality and ethics ALREADY HAVE lost.

4. Again, just like the South?

I agree that Tennessee is a rather shitty place overall for gays and it's not right. However, I think there is a fine line between a state that does not have gay marriage and a state that actively seeks to persecute them via the methods Tennessee has instated.

I think we need to take a step back; yes, everyone should be able to marry if they want. Im all for that. So long as my particular religion is not forced to marry gays, then Im all for allowing them to marry, secularly in a union and religiously if a specific church or denomination wants too.

1. However, I simply cannot get on board that not allowing gays to marry is treating them sub human. Thats a far stretch and offensive in many respects. Slavery was a mass display of subhuman treatment. Marriage? No.

Noone is harmed from gays getting married. 2. Noone is harmed from gays not getting married. Ultimately its a rights dispute over a piece of paper which is far, far, far, FAR, from being considered an issue that treats people subhuman.

The measures in Tennessee, I would agree however, borderline oppressive and should be repealed immediately. But simply the state of not being allowed to marry, while pretentious and unjust, is certainly not akin to slavery. Lets be realistic here for a one minute.

1. It is, by telling us that our love for each other is inherently not valid.

2. Except the peopel being prevented from being married. Not being able to visit each other in the hospital, or make medical decisions for each other, or even funeral arrrangements.

As far as people who think being ethical entails discriminating against other people on the basis of their sexuality are concerned, I do very much hope their end is very bitter. The more you moan and groan the better in fact, 'my friend'.

Well, Article I-29 is going nowhere, even though some DC politicians have decried it as "evil." I doubt the youth of Nebraska are going to go much against what we believe.

It is evil, and unnecessary and descriminatory.

The will of Americans, who currently favor gay marriage in the majority.

Americans who have nothing in common with Nebraskans. Seriously, why do y'all even care? You have nothing in common with us and we're not inclined to listen to anything you have to say. So how do you intend to force us to do anything?

Because as Martin Luther King Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere". Dr. King made no statements saying Nebraska, Tennessee, or any other place on Earth was some magical fairytale land that was exempt from this. And like it or not, your Article 29 IS injustice.

Then federal agents would enforce the law for you until you learn proper civility.

Hmm. Send in the Fedral Agents. Concession or compromise were never on your list. Interesting.

Because to do so would be to allow injustice.

Compromise and concede? On civil rights and liberties? Fuck that tyrannical bullshit.

Funny, you would sooner compromise with terrorists, give amnesty to illegal aliens, or let a murderer walk free rather than act with civility toward your fellow Americans, who you claim to care so much about.

Desperate strawman is desperate strawman.

Nobody has said anything about any of those things.

According to a recent poll, (2011) 64% of Nebraskans did not support gay marriage. Says Wikipedia.

They do seem to support legislating away from fellow Nebraskans some of the privileges of citizenship that they themselves enjoy. Seems oddly unfair to me, especially in a state whose motto is "Equality Before The Law."

I noticed the same thing. Should we call Nebraska the Irony State now?

So you believe that a minority can be oppressed if they are a small minority? How Christlike of you.

Oppressed? You act like we drag homosexuals into the street and beat them. We are not stopping them from committing their acts. 1. We are defending an institution that is sacred in the eyes of God against 2. something that is immoral in God's eyes.

1. So you're violating the First Amendment.

2. I hate to urst your bubble, but its not.

[Neutraligon]

...So congress has gone home without solving the sequester. At this point both are holding the US back, or screwing it over.

[Allied States of Demokratia]

In a word,

YES

too many refuse to compromise to the degree the dems are, reasons are varied, but they are acting like a bunch of kids arguing over a toy, and the GOP just keeps yelling the same bs over and over again, refusing to listen to any other point of view

[The Black Forrest]

...So congress has gone home without solving the sequester. At this point both are holding the US back, or screwing it over.

Ok? So what did the democrats do wrong?

[Neutraligon]

...So congress has gone home without solving the sequester. At this point both are holding the US back, or screwing it over.

Ok? So what did the democrats do wrong?

the senate also went home. Although, considering the republicans filibustered a bill that passed with a majority makes me see Republicans as more wrong.

[The Black Forrest]

Ok? So what did the democrats do wrong?

the senate also went home. Although, considering the republicans filibustered a bill that passed with a majority makes me see Republicans as more wrong.

Ok? So the house bailed. What could the senate do?