Are Republicans holding the US back?

[Wallonochia]

Considering that Nebraskans are Americans before they are Nebraskans, they do have quite a bit in common.

That's not necessarily true but I'd really like to see a recent poll that says Nebraskans are against gay marriage.

[Ceannairceach]

Then federal agents would enforce the law for you until you learn proper civility.

Hmm. Send in the Fedral Agents. Concession or compromise were never on your list. Interesting.

Compromise and concede? On civil rights and liberties? Fuck that tyrannical bullshit.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

Americans who have nothing in common with Nebraskans. Seriously, why do y'all even care? You have nothing in common with us and we're not inclined to listen to anything you have to say. So how do you intend to force us to do anything?

Considering that Nebraskans are Americans before they are Nebraskans, they do have quite a bit in common.

Many a Nebraskan would sooner identify with Nebraska than with the Federal Government.

[Ceannairceach]

Considering that Nebraskans are Americans before they are Nebraskans, they do have quite a bit in common.

That's not necessarily true but I'd really like to see a recent poll that says Nebraskans are against gay marriage.

Which part isn't true, that Nebraskans are Americans or that Americans have things in common with Americans?

[Ceannairceach]

Considering that Nebraskans are Americans before they are Nebraskans, they do have quite a bit in common.

Many a Nebraskan would sooner identify with Nebraska than with the Federal Government.

Source?

But that doesn't matter. You are an American citizen before whatever state citizenship you hold.

[Wallonochia]

Which part isn't true, that Nebraskans are Americans or that Americans have things in common with Americans?

The idea that Nebraskans are necessarily American before Nebraskan. I haven't seen any polls to that effect, although I would agree that Nebraskans follow the general North American trend of increasing acceptance of same-sex marriage.

[Wallonochia]

But that doesn't matter. You are an American citizen before whatever state citizenship you hold.

This isn't necessarily true. I'm a Michigander before I'm an American, even if I live several thousand miles from the borders of either the US or Michigan.

[Ceannairceach]

Which part isn't true, that Nebraskans are Americans or that Americans have things in common with Americans?

The idea that Nebraskans are necessarily American before Nebraskan. I haven't seen any polls to that effect, although I would agree that Nebraskans follow the general North American trend of increasing acceptance of same-sex marriage.

I'm not talking about what they identify as. American citizenship supersedes state citizenship.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

Hmm. Send in the Fedral Agents. Concession or compromise were never on your list. Interesting.

Compromise and concede? On civil rights and liberties? Fuck that tyrannical bullshit.

Funny, you would sooner compromise with terrorists, give amnesty to illegal aliens, or let a murderer walk free rather than act with civility toward your fellow Americans, who you claim to care so much about.

[Ceannairceach]

Compromise and concede? On civil rights and liberties? Fuck that tyrannical bullshit.

Funny, you would sooner compromise with terrorists, give amnesty to illegal aliens, or let a murderer walk free rather than act with civility toward your fellow Americans, who you claim to care so much about.

Shoving words down my throat, hmm?

I didn't say anything about terrorists, aliens, or murderers. Kindly keep on the topic at hand. I know its hard to do, but do try.

And I would note that it is you denying your fellow Americans, and Nebraskans, a constitutional right as defined by the Supreme Court.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

Which part isn't true, that Nebraskans are Americans or that Americans have things in common with Americans?

The idea that Nebraskans are necessarily American before Nebraskan. I haven't seen any polls to that effect, although I would agree that Nebraskans follow the general North American trend of increasing acceptance of same-sex marriage.

According to a recent poll, (2011) 64% of Nebraskans did not support gay marriage. Says Wikipedia.

[Wallonochia]

I'm not talking about what they identify as. American citizenship supersedes state citizenship.

State citizenship follows pretty specific rules while identity is much more fluid. Obviously all Nebraksan citizens are American citizens but the question is what do they feel is more important?

Of course, I feel that Nebraskans, as Americans citizens and thus beholden to the US Contsitution, should view their homosexual compatriots as equals.

[Farnhamia]

The idea that Nebraskans are necessarily American before Nebraskan. I haven't seen any polls to that effect, although I would agree that Nebraskans follow the general North American trend of increasing acceptance of same-sex marriage.

According to a recent poll, (2011) 64% of Nebraskans did not support gay marriage. Says Wikipedia.

They do seem to support legislating away from fellow Nebraskans some of the privileges of citizenship that they themselves enjoy. Seems oddly unfair to me, especially in a state whose motto is "Equality Before The Law."

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

Funny, you would sooner compromise with terrorists, give amnesty to illegal aliens, or let a murderer walk free rather than act with civility toward your fellow Americans, who you claim to care so much about.

Shoving words down my throat, hmm?

I didn't say anything about terrorists, aliens, or murderers. Kindly keep on the topic at hand. I know its hard to do, but do try.

And I would note that it is you denying your fellow Americans, and Nebraskans, a constitutional right as defined by the Supreme Court.

Trying to find it, but last I heard we were near the bottom of homosexual population. So if there are next to none, but there are multitudes of Christians and Conservatives who is a politician going to try to win votes with?

[Ceannairceach]

Shoving words down my throat, hmm?

I didn't say anything about terrorists, aliens, or murderers. Kindly keep on the topic at hand. I know its hard to do, but do try.

And I would note that it is you denying your fellow Americans, and Nebraskans, a constitutional right as defined by the Supreme Court.

Trying to find it, but last I heard we were near the bottom of homosexual population. So if there are next to none, but there are multitudes of Christians and Conservatives who is a politician going to try to win votes with?

So you believe that a minority can be oppressed if they are a small minority? How Christlike of you.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

Trying to find it, but last I heard we were near the bottom of homosexual population. So if there are next to none, but there are multitudes of Christians and Conservatives who is a politician going to try to win votes with?

So you believe that a minority can be oppressed if they are a small minority? How Christlike of you.

Oppressed? You act like we drag homosexuals into the street and beat them. We are not stopping them from committing their acts. We are defending an institution that is sacred in the eyes of God against something that is immoral in God's eyes.

[Gauntleted Fist]

Oppressed? You act like we drag homosexuals into the street and beat them. We are not stopping them from committing their acts. We are defending an institution that is sacred in the eyes of God against something that is immoral in God's eyes.

Marriage is not sacred in the eyes of God.

[Ceannairceach]

So you believe that a minority can be oppressed if they are a small minority? How Christlike of you.

Oppressed? You act like we drag homosexuals into the street and beat them. We are not stopping them from committing their acts. We are defending an institution that is sacred in the eyes of God against something that is immoral in God's eyes.

When America has a state religion, that argument will be a good one. Until then, it is invalid, based on the first amendment, Treaty of Tripoli, and the tradition of a separation of church and state, not to mention the fact that in America, marriage is civil as apposed to religious.

Your actions and the actions of your compatriots directly oppresses the homosexual minority.

[Wallonochia]

Oppressed? You act like we drag homosexuals into the street and beat them. We are not stopping them from committing their acts. We are defending an institution that is sacred in the eyes of God against something that is immoral in God's eyes.

You are in fact stopping gay people from committing their acts, such as getting married by churches that will have them, or by the state.

[Farnhamia]

So you believe that a minority can be oppressed if they are a small minority? How Christlike of you.

Oppressed? You act like we drag homosexuals into the street and beat them. We are not stopping them from committing their acts. We are defending an institution that is sacred in the eyes of God against something that is immoral in God's eyes.

So you're okay with having a privilege like marriage, which is a purely secular affair in the US, and denying it to others because of your own personal scruples? Nice.

[Ceannairceach]

Oppressed? You act like we drag homosexuals into the street and beat them. We are not stopping them from committing their acts. We are defending an institution that is sacred in the eyes of God against something that is immoral in God's eyes.

So you're okay with having a privilege like marriage, which is a purely secular affair in the US, and denying it to others because of your own personal scruples? Nice.

A right like marriage, Farn.

[Farnhamia]

So you're okay with having a privilege like marriage, which is a purely secular affair in the US, and denying it to others because of your own personal scruples? Nice.

A right like marriage, Farn.

I avoided that word so as not to bring on the "there's no right to marriage!" argument. I'm not sure there is. There is equal protection under the law, however, and that by affording heterosexual citizens some privileges, like marriage, while denying those same privileges to homosexual citizens simply because they are homosexual they are being hypocritical. Amazingly so, really, given Nebraska's motto.

[Alekera]

Its funny how many people on here advocate democracy and the "will of the people", but when the majority disagrees with you, its wrong.

Note: I am not for or against gay marriage, I just wish the government wasn't in the business of love.

[Ceannairceach]

A right like marriage, Farn.

I avoided that word so as not to bring on the "there's no right to marriage!" argument. I'm not sure there is. There is equal protection under the law, however, and that by affording heterosexual citizens some privileges, like marriage, while denying those same privileges to homosexual citizens simply because they are homosexual they are being hypocritical. Amazingly so, really, given Nebraska's motto.

Well, given Loving v. Virginia, a right to marriage does exist in US case law. So calling it that certainly wouldn't be wrong.

[Farnhamia]

Its funny how many people on here advocate democracy and the "will of the people", but when the majority disagrees with you, its wrong.

Note: I not for or against gay marriage, I just wish the government wasn't in the business of love.

Well, the government is. I personally am very much against direct democracy. Would you like to be told that you can't do something that every Jack and Jill can do, just because of who you are? I don't think you would be very happy with that.