Are Republicans holding the US back?

[Terraius]

1- DOMA said Gay marriage was unconstitutional.

No, it fucking did not. Because Congress doesn't say whether or not anything is constitutional. That would be the job of the Supreme Court. Nice understanding you have of our government here. No wonder you don't understand what DOMA was. You don't even know hour our government works!

That is far from saying that 'gays are not equal and second class'

"Nah, you're equal to us! You just can't marry the person you love or have any of the benefits of us straight people! You know, us straight people who are the real citizens."

2- Sorry I dont agree with your opinion, that tends to happen, believe it or not. That does not mean I dont 'understand' the issue.

It's very obvious you really do not understand what the issues is if you cannot even see that gays in the United States are being deprived of the same privileges and rights that straight people currently enjoy.

3- Your perception of the police as a modern day racist gang are your own problems to deal with.

Oh, no, Alabama certainly isn't racist anymore, guys. We haven't gone from Jim Crow to Juan Crow with out new "immigration laws" that we have no right to pass or that lead to excessive racial profiling of Asian and Mexican immigrants at all. None of this is happening here, no, sir. Not at fucking all.

4- 'Sorry, no' is such a compelling and cited argument that Im simply forced to relent and give my hand. Woe unto me.

You were telling me to stop doing something. You weren't making a fucking argument. You just said "Sit down, shut up, and stop bitching." My reply to that is "Sorry, no." If you like, I can reply more forcefully. Like "How about you sit down, shut up, and get the fuck out of a discussion about gay marriage in the US if it pisses you off so much, eh?"

I'm inclined to not justify any of your comments with a reply since this is only going to rapidly deteriorate to ad hominum. However for the sake of my own sanity I would like to point out that 15 states jointly ruled in DOMA that gay marriage was not constitutional. States do have an inherent right to debate and legislative over matters not directly in the constitution. Since marriage is one of these things, technically the states -can- decide if marriage, in any form is considered legal, illegal, etc. I would also note DOMA was a far more complicated law than as being described here so Its not fair for anyone to put it in such a 2 dimensional spectrum.

So that being said, I do have a concept (albeit limited because I dont care to understand the supreme intrinsic of the governments workings) of how things work, so you can refrain from masking more attempted character assassinations in your rantings for now on.

[Terraius]

Noone is making you not have a partner. You simply are not directly able to get a piece of paper that says 'X and Y paid us a bunch of money for this marriage license.'

...and the numerous legal protections and rights that come with the paper.

Which I agree fully you are entitled too and deserve legally as I stated before, and being denied those is unjust and needs to be rectified.

[Eupheos-Anetus]

No. The Republican Party is not holding the US back. The current problems facing the United States currently, the sequester for example, was Democratic idea set forth by the Obama negotiating tool as a way to scare the Republicans into budging. The current talk of, "the Republicans caused the sequester!" and "The Republicans aren't budging" are all falsities, as the Republican Party has compromised and backed down much more than the Democratic Party.

[Gauntleted Fist]

So that being said, I do have a concept (albeit limited because I dont care to understand the supreme intrinsic of the governments workings) of how things work, so you can refrain from masking more attempted character assassinations in your rantings for now on.

Your display and admittance of your own ignorance of the functioning of the government is not my problem. Come back and play once you really do understand, and maybe we can have a productive discussion.

[Neutraligon]

No. The Republican Party is not holding the US back. The current problems facing the United States currently, the sequester for example, was Democratic idea set forth by the Obama negotiating tool as a way to scare the Republicans into budging. The current talk of, "the Republicans caused the sequester!" and "The Republicans aren't budging" are all falsities, as the Republican Party has compromised and backed down much more than the Democratic Party.

Umm this type of thing like the sequester has existed long before Obama was even an entity. The idea is to force the congress to act.

[Ngelmish]

"Holding back" is a fairly mild phrase and one that's even vaguer. It also implies that there's some mutual recognition of policy or position on the side of those being held and those doing the holding. 25 or 30 years ago that might have been an appropriate position, but the Republican party as an institution has been actively sabotaging this country since Gingrich's Contract With America at least, through myopia, cynical nihilism, emotive thinking, a rejection of mathematics and historically illiterate decision making.

[Ceannairceach]

1 Supreme court judge said it was unconstitutional does not a law make or break. It is when you have 5 Supreme Court judges make the ruling that such a law is unconstitutional that the law needs to be removed.

It was a ruling. I doubt it gets more legitimate than that.

Ha! Oh, wow, you seriously do not know what you are talking about. No, your state is not some paragon of disregard for federal rulings; Citizens for Equal Protection v. Bruning upheld Nebraska Initiative Measure 416. In short, stop fucking lying to us.

[Farnhamia]

No. The Republican Party is not holding the US back. The current problems facing the United States currently, the sequester for example, was Democratic idea set forth by the Obama negotiating tool as a way to scare the Republicans into budging. The current talk of, "the Republicans caused the sequester!" and "The Republicans aren't budging" are all falsities, as the Republican Party has compromised and backed down much more than the Democratic Party.

Umm this type of thing like the sequester has existed long before Obama was even an entity. The idea is to force the congress to act.

No, he's right about the sequester, it was supposed to force the Republicans knuckle under because of the very large cuts in the military budget. It seems not to have worked, though we'll see. And we'll see in 2014, if nothing is done, how safe the gerrymandered Congressional districts are when people have had a taste of life with a social safety net in tatters.

As for the GOP compromising more than the Democrats, that's laughable.

[Neutraligon]

Umm this type of thing like the sequester has existed long before Obama was even an entity. The idea is to force the congress to act.

No, he's right about the sequester, it was supposed to force the Republicans knuckle under because of the very large cuts in the military budget. It seems not to have worked, though we'll see. And we'll see in 2014, if nothing is done, how safe the gerrymandered Congressional districts are when people have had a taste of life with a social safety net in tatters.

As for the GOP compromising more than the Democrats, that's laughable.

My comment was not on the purpose of the sequester, but rather that the use of such tactics existed before Obama even existed. The problem is not that such tactics are used, it is that they are used, and then fail.

[Farnhamia]

No, he's right about the sequester, it was supposed to force the Republicans knuckle under because of the very large cuts in the military budget. It seems not to have worked, though we'll see. And we'll see in 2014, if nothing is done, how safe the gerrymandered Congressional districts are when people have had a taste of life with a social safety net in tatters.

As for the GOP compromising more than the Democrats, that's laughable.

My comment was not on the purpose of the sequester, but rather that the use of such tactics existed before Obama even existed. The problem is not that such tactics are used, it is that they are used, and then fail.

I see. I misunderstood.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

It was a ruling. I doubt it gets more legitimate than that.

Ha! Oh, wow, you seriously do not know what you are talking about. No, your state is not some paragon of disregard for federal rulings; Citizens for Equal Protection v. Bruning upheld Nebraska Initiative Measure 416. In short, stop fucking lying to us.

Oh, it was a District Court of Appeals, which is a Federal Court, but not THE Federal Court. I always knew a Federal judge struck our championed bill down, though. Oh well, Article I-29 stands.

[Konariona]

This is kinda vague.. are you talking right-wing in general or just Republicans?

Basically the same.

Not too many left winger republicans any more.....

No; I was saying this because not all right wingers are as stupid as Republicans. Though not all Republicans are stupid.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

Oh yeah, another questions. Many of your posts contain promises to force us to do something. How do y'all intend to force us to do anything?

[Frisivisia]

Oh yeah, another questions. Many of your posts contain promises to force us to do something. How do y'all intend to force us to do anything?

I dunno, we figured will of the people was enough.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

Oh yeah, another questions. Many of your posts contain promises to force us to do something. How do y'all intend to force us to do anything?

I dunno, we figured will of the people was enough.

The will of which people? Foreigners or Nebraskans?

[Frisivisia]

I dunno, we figured will of the people was enough.

The will of which people? Foreigners or Nebraskans?

Oh, I'd say the majority of the people, given that the Democrats won the overwhelming majority of national votes this year.

[Ceannairceach]

Ha! Oh, wow, you seriously do not know what you are talking about. No, your state is not some paragon of disregard for federal rulings; Citizens for Equal Protection v. Bruning upheld Nebraska Initiative Measure 416. In short, stop fucking lying to us.

Oh, it was a District Court of Appeals, which is a Federal Court, but not THE Federal Court. I always knew a Federal judge struck our championed bill down, though. Oh well, Article I-29 stands.

The Court of Appeals upheld the initiative. It was never struck down or ruled upon by the Supreme Court.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

The will of which people? Foreigners or Nebraskans?

Oh, I'd say the majority of the people, given that the Democrats won the overwhelming majority of national votes this year.

No but, how do you physically intend to force us to do anything?

[Ceannairceach]

I dunno, we figured will of the people was enough.

The will of which people? Foreigners or Nebraskans?

The will of Americans, who currently favor gay marriage in the majority.

[Ceannairceach]

Oh, I'd say the majority of the people, given that the Democrats won the overwhelming majority of national votes this year.

No but, how do you physically intend to force us to do anything?

By the force of law, naturally, assuming you mean that Nebraska or its citizens will attempt to bypass any ruling illegally.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

The will of which people? Foreigners or Nebraskans?

The will of Americans, who currently favor gay marriage in the majority.

Americans who have nothing in common with Nebraskans. Seriously, why do y'all even care? You have nothing in common with us and we're not inclined to listen to anything you have to say. So how do you intend to force us to do anything?

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

No but, how do you physically intend to force us to do anything?

By the force of law, naturally, assuming you mean that Nebraska or its citizens will attempt to bypass any ruling illegally.

Say hypothetically, we would. What do you intend to do? I never see anyone think that far ahead. What if people won't listen?

[Ceannairceach]

By the force of law, naturally, assuming you mean that Nebraska or its citizens will attempt to bypass any ruling illegally.

Say hypothetically, we would. What do you intend to do? I never see anyone think that far ahead. What if people won't listen?

Then federal agents would enforce the law for you until you learn proper civility.

[Ceannairceach]

The will of Americans, who currently favor gay marriage in the majority.

Americans who have nothing in common with Nebraskans. Seriously, why do y'all even care? You have nothing in common with us and we're not inclined to listen to anything you have to say. So how do you intend to force us to do anything?

Considering that Nebraskans are Americans before they are Nebraskans, they do have quite a bit in common.

[Die Oranje-Vrystaat]

Say hypothetically, we would. What do you intend to do? I never see anyone think that far ahead. What if people won't listen?

Then federal agents would enforce the law for you until you learn proper civility.

Hmm. Send in the Fedral Agents. Concession or compromise were never on your list. Interesting.