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Cisgender, supportive of trans* people, recognize only two genders
112
21%
Cisgender, supportive of trans* people, recognize more than two genders
200
37%
Cisgender, unsupportive of trans* people
115
21%
Cisgender, indifferent
62
11%
Transgender, recognize only two genders
10
2%
Transgender, recognize more than two genders
47
9%
 
Total votes : 546

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Condunum
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Postby Condunum » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:13 am

Daemyrs wrote:
Slow-Declinesville wrote:
I believe in support and all that, that's fair enough. I don't agree with the NHS funding it though. If I believed I was a cat born in a human body should the NHS pay for cosmetic surgery to alter my appearance? No. If the person feels that passionate they should save up the cash, not ask people who don't support their decisions to fund it.


I agree. I don't feel that my taxes should go to someone who's doesn't think they were born with the right set of organs. That's your opinion. So use your money to fix yourself to what you want.

Yeah I don't want my money going to fix your knee because it would make your life better. Use your money to fix what you want.
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Euroslavia
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Postby Euroslavia » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:33 am

I'm going out on a bit of a limb here, but I've been struggling with the fact that my feeling and my biology are two different entities fighting against each other. The possibility of a gender re-assignment has been on my mind for some time, but has been very much dominating my mind for the last week, moreso than the last 10 years. My opinion? I have a massive amount of compassion, because I feel their pain and I don't know how to deal with it.
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Daemyrs
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Postby Daemyrs » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:34 am

Condunum wrote:
Daemyrs wrote:
I agree. I don't feel that my taxes should go to someone who's doesn't think they were born with the right set of organs. That's your opinion. So use your money to fix yourself to what you want.

Yeah I don't want my money going to fix your knee because it would make your life better. Use your money to fix what you want.

Id be fine with that. I'm homeless and I'm against anything that isn't provided by yourself. I find ways of paying for food and a phone. I make sure I can get medical help. And, who pays for it in the end? Me.
Just call me Alex or Daemyrs.


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They're important when planning a swift and orderly retreat

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Gauntleted Fist
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:36 am

Daemyrs wrote:
Condunum wrote:Yeah I don't want my money going to fix your knee because it would make your life better. Use your money to fix what you want.

Id be fine with that. I'm homeless and I'm against anything that isn't provided by yourself. I find ways of paying for food and a phone. I make sure I can get medical help. And, who pays for it in the end? Me.

If you came down with pneumonia tomorrow and had to stay in the hospital for a month while recovering would you be able to afford this, y/n?

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Daemyrs
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Postby Daemyrs » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:38 am

I would be paying monthly on it for awhile. And, I wouldn't get any state tax return money for 7 years. So, yes.
Just call me Alex or Daemyrs.


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Birkaine wrote: Whydoes everyhitler orgy have to beinterrupted bysome negro freemanson waging his personal jihad

Birkaine wrote: If you were in her place you'd looklike a hippo'sasshole that crashed againsta shipment of DIY abortion VHSinstruction tapes

Birkaine wrote: She said she hadn'tseen so manyassholes abusing permaban power since Joseph Mengele gotinto proctology

Birkaine wrote: I'm not in germanyusea, I can fuckall the nazisI want

Ularn wrote:
Anacasppia wrote: The French sure are good at designing reconnaissance vehicles

They're important when planning a swift and orderly retreat

Jedi8246 wrote:It suddenly occurs to me. If the Necron are all made of metal, wouldnt a giant magnet fuck their entire army?

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Gauntleted Fist
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:41 am

Daemyrs wrote:I would be paying monthly on it for awhile. And, I wouldn't get any state tax return money for 7 years. So, yes.

If by "a while" you mean the rest of your natural life. Unless you make shit hot money as a homeless guy. My hospital bill for when I was out for a month was over $200,000.

Do you know how much of it I paid? $25.

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Trollgaard
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Postby Trollgaard » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:41 am

God damn, you people have an unhealthy obsession with this kind of stuff.

By you people I mean NSG.

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Daemyrs
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Postby Daemyrs » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:45 am

Gauntleted Fist wrote:
Daemyrs wrote:I would be paying monthly on it for awhile. And, I wouldn't get any state tax return money for 7 years. So, yes.

If by "a while" you mean the rest of your natural life. Unless you make shit hot money as a homeless guy. My hospital bill for when I was out for a month was over $200,000.

Do you know how much of it I paid? $25.


A nice thought is that I hate going to the doctor. Last time -I- was in a doctors office for me was 5 yrs. ago. Hospital? 12 years. (On a phone, so ignore mistakes plz)
Just call me Alex or Daemyrs.


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Birkaine wrote: Whydoes everyhitler orgy have to beinterrupted bysome negro freemanson waging his personal jihad

Birkaine wrote: If you were in her place you'd looklike a hippo'sasshole that crashed againsta shipment of DIY abortion VHSinstruction tapes

Birkaine wrote: She said she hadn'tseen so manyassholes abusing permaban power since Joseph Mengele gotinto proctology

Birkaine wrote: I'm not in germanyusea, I can fuckall the nazisI want

Ularn wrote:
Anacasppia wrote: The French sure are good at designing reconnaissance vehicles

They're important when planning a swift and orderly retreat

Jedi8246 wrote:It suddenly occurs to me. If the Necron are all made of metal, wouldnt a giant magnet fuck their entire army?

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Condunum
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Postby Condunum » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:46 am

Trollgaard wrote:God damn, you people have an unhealthy obsession with this kind of stuff.

By you people I mean NSG.

No we don't.
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Daemyrs
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Postby Daemyrs » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:47 am

Done hijacking the thread.
Just call me Alex or Daemyrs.


So Much Win
Birkaine wrote: Whydoes everyhitler orgy have to beinterrupted bysome negro freemanson waging his personal jihad

Birkaine wrote: If you were in her place you'd looklike a hippo'sasshole that crashed againsta shipment of DIY abortion VHSinstruction tapes

Birkaine wrote: She said she hadn'tseen so manyassholes abusing permaban power since Joseph Mengele gotinto proctology

Birkaine wrote: I'm not in germanyusea, I can fuckall the nazisI want

Ularn wrote:
Anacasppia wrote: The French sure are good at designing reconnaissance vehicles

They're important when planning a swift and orderly retreat

Jedi8246 wrote:It suddenly occurs to me. If the Necron are all made of metal, wouldnt a giant magnet fuck their entire army?

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Condunum
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Postby Condunum » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:47 am

Daemyrs wrote:
Gauntleted Fist wrote:If by "a while" you mean the rest of your natural life. Unless you make shit hot money as a homeless guy. My hospital bill for when I was out for a month was over $200,000.

Do you know how much of it I paid? $25.


A nice thought is that I hate going to the doctor. Last time -I- was in a doctors office for me was 5 yrs. ago. Hospital? 12 years. (On a phone, so ignore mistakes plz)

Good for you. And it'll be your fault if it turns out you have serious long-term problems that have gone unchecked for years.
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Daemyrs
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Postby Daemyrs » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:50 am

Condunum wrote:
Daemyrs wrote:
A nice thought is that I hate going to the doctor. Last time -I- was in a doctors office for me was 5 yrs. ago. Hospital? 12 years. (On a phone, so ignore mistakes plz)

Good for you. And it'll be your fault if it turns out you have serious long-term problems that have gone unchecked for years.

Well, seeing that the closest hospital to me is horrible, ill make due. Would you willingly got to a place that got sued because of your grandfathers death due to neglect?
Just call me Alex or Daemyrs.


So Much Win
Birkaine wrote: Whydoes everyhitler orgy have to beinterrupted bysome negro freemanson waging his personal jihad

Birkaine wrote: If you were in her place you'd looklike a hippo'sasshole that crashed againsta shipment of DIY abortion VHSinstruction tapes

Birkaine wrote: She said she hadn'tseen so manyassholes abusing permaban power since Joseph Mengele gotinto proctology

Birkaine wrote: I'm not in germanyusea, I can fuckall the nazisI want

Ularn wrote:
Anacasppia wrote: The French sure are good at designing reconnaissance vehicles

They're important when planning a swift and orderly retreat

Jedi8246 wrote:It suddenly occurs to me. If the Necron are all made of metal, wouldnt a giant magnet fuck their entire army?

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Trollgaard
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Postby Trollgaard » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:50 am

Condunum wrote:
Trollgaard wrote:God damn, you people have an unhealthy obsession with this kind of stuff.

By you people I mean NSG.

No we don't.


Yes, you do.

It seems like every few threads is something about gays, or bisexuals, or asexuals, or transgenders, or cisgenders (the fuck is that retarded term supposed to be), fakejwgsexuals, etc. Its absolutely ridiculous.

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Condunum
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Postby Condunum » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:52 am

Daemyrs wrote:
Condunum wrote:Good for you. And it'll be your fault if it turns out you have serious long-term problems that have gone unchecked for years.

Well, seeing that the closest hospital to me is horrible, ill make due. Would you willingly got to a place that got sued because of your grandfathers death due to neglect?

Do I care? Nope. Far as I'm concerned, an universal healthcare plan would hold hospitals to a certain standard.
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Trollgaard
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Postby Trollgaard » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:52 am

Condunum wrote:
Daemyrs wrote:
A nice thought is that I hate going to the doctor. Last time -I- was in a doctors office for me was 5 yrs. ago. Hospital? 12 years. (On a phone, so ignore mistakes plz)

Good for you. And it'll be your fault if it turns out you have serious long-term problems that have gone unchecked for years.


Pfft. Who cares? You die, you die. Let it come. Better to die than become old and feeble.

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Condunum
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Postby Condunum » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:52 am

Trollgaard wrote:
Condunum wrote:No we don't.


Yes, you do.

It seems like every few threads is something about gays, or bisexuals, or asexuals, or transgenders, or cisgenders (the fuck is that retarded term supposed to be), fakejwgsexuals, etc. Its absolutely ridiculous.

It's the internet. Get over it or move on.
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Zweite Alaje
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Feb 25, 2013 1:53 am

Trollgaard wrote:God damn, you people have an unhealthy obsession with this kind of stuff.

By you people I mean NSG.

NSG as an unhealthy obsession with quite a few topics, but it wouldn't be interesting otherwise.
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Condunum
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Postby Condunum » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:06 am

Trollgaard wrote:
Condunum wrote:Good for you. And it'll be your fault if it turns out you have serious long-term problems that have gone unchecked for years.


Pfft. Who cares? You die, you die. Let it come. Better to die than become old and feeble.

You go ahead and live in a fucking tribal village in the congo, then. I'll continue to live in a society that strives to improve the quality of life, mr.defeatist.
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Volnotova
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Postby Volnotova » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:11 am

I am not very fond of the concept of gender.

To me we are all people. Some of us have male bodies, others female, and some others a combination.

But in the end we are all people.

Trollgaard wrote:
Condunum wrote:No we don't.


Yes, you do.

It seems like every few threads is something about gays, or bisexuals, or asexuals, or transgenders, or cisgenders (the fuck is that retarded term supposed to be), fakejwgsexuals, etc. Its absolutely ridiculous.


Every few threads also (tend to) features something along the lines of religion(s), athiesm, aliens, free will, israel-palestine, futurism, a US president (or presidents), communism/socialism (percieved or actual), libertarianism/anarchism, some major sports event(s), North Korea, China, Syria, Russia, <insert nationality/ethnicity>, Adolf Hitler/Nazism/Nazis/Fascists, private/public education, afterlife, surveilance state, intrusive(and/or redundant) laws, terrorism, NWO, terrorism, national pride, elections, languages, appearance, birthers/anti-Obamaists, gun laws, utopianism, psychological problems/phobias, space flight/exploration and American Politics(and or "Liberalism" vs "Conservatism").

We're in NSG, have you noticed?
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Empire of Vlissingen
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:34 am

I think it's very strange to feel like a girl and be a boy or the other way a round.
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Postby Condunum » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:36 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I think it's very strange to feel like a girl and be a boy or the other way a round.

But what do you think should be done with the people? Accept them, I should hope.
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:36 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I think it's very strange to feel like a girl and be a boy or the other way a round.

Of course it is! Just ask the people who feel like it. That's why we should support them in the best way we can.

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Empire of Vlissingen
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Postby Empire of Vlissingen » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:39 am

Condunum wrote:
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I think it's very strange to feel like a girl and be a boy or the other way a round.

But what do you think should be done with the people? Accept them, I should hope.

Treat them like anyone else.
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Postby Condunum » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:42 am

Empire of Vlissingen wrote:
Condunum wrote:But what do you think should be done with the people? Accept them, I should hope.

Treat them like anyone else.

:hug:
Then you're okay in my book.
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Postby Linux and the X » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:45 am

Anarcho-Leftist States of Horseflip wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:Did you actually read my post? I'd love to respond in detail, and oh trust me I will, but I don't have time to type a proper post. So could you tell me what the first sentence actually means?

If you want comments on your dissertation, rapid-fire Souseiseki style, having uni-sex stalls is a good idea and is often one that is floated, combine the above post pointing out that “Sex reassignment is not “experimental”, “investigative”, “elective”, “cosmetic”, or optional in any meaningful sense. It constitutes very effective and appropriate treatment for transsexualism or profound GID.” among other things and combine this with the significantly increase rate of suicide/attempted suicide to reach the "literally saves lives" conclusion and please keep your getting angry over the headlines to headlines that actually exist.

I was making reference to my nation's flag, if you have not yet gathered that. As for SRS as a stopper of suicide and thus necessary to save lives, I must object to your voluminous feels. Pay for the surgery on your own dime if you feel it's so life or death you'll commit suicide over it. It's not the state's job to prevent suicides by throwing money at people's wants. If you disagree with that politically, then our discourse will certainly yield no fruit and we'll simply have to agree to disagree.

You're opposed to universal healthcare then?
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