Your opinion of transgender people

[Ikea]

I believe transgender people should have the same freedoms of everyone else. I have nothing against gays, it is hard though to keep up with the changing labels and having to keep up with the different terms. There are only 2 genders sexes because a man cannot have a baby. Anything that can is a female. It is fine for equal rights and marriage for transgenders but recognizing multiple new genders gets into controversial/gray area and does not have enough scientific backing to verify. One is either male or female based on reproductive parts.

Anything that can is a female.

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Anything that can is a female.

So, please... explain to me how a woman who is unable to reproduce due to any kind of complications is less of a woman?

Should read this. It'll help you redefine your predisposed gender opinions.

[Desperate Measures]

I believe transgender people should have the same freedoms of everyone else. I have nothing against gays, it is hard though to keep up with the changing labels and having to keep up with the different terms. There are only 2 genders because a man cannot have a baby. Anything that can is a female. It is fine for equal rights and marriage for transgenders but recognizing multiple new genders gets into controversial/gray area and does not have enough scientific backing to verify. One is either male or female based on reproductive parts.

Sex isn't gender.

[Threlizdun]

I believe transgender people should have the same freedoms of everyone else. I have nothing against gays

Most homosexuals are not transgender, and transgenders display just as much variation in sexual orientation as cisgenders.

it is hard though to keep up with the changing labels and having to keep up with the different terms.

It's also hard to keep up with scientific discovery.

There are only 2 genders because a man cannot have a baby. Anything that can is a female.

Their anatomy is their sex, not their gender. A man who has female reproductive organs can most certainly give birth. Even when focusing purely on sex, your proposal of only two sexes existing is blatantly false. We have XXY, XO, XXYY, XXX, XXXY, XYYY, and so forth. There are many cases in which such things have occured.

It is fine for equal rights and marriage for transgenders but recognizing multiple new genders gets into controversial/gray area and does not have enough scientific backing to verify. One is either male or female based on reproductive parts.

Again, gender has nothing to do with your reproductive organs. The only relation gender has to your anatomy is the structure of your hypothalamus, which is the currently attrivuted to gender identity by most scientists. As gender identities that extend beyond the gender binary do exist and have manifested numerous times, the only logical course of action is to treat them the same as any other gender identity.

[Grenartia]

1. I believe transgender people should have the same freedoms of everyone else. 2. I have nothing against gays, it is hard though to keep up with the changing labels and having to keep up with the different terms. 3. There are only 2 genders because a man cannot have a baby. Anything that can is a female. 4. It is fine for equal rights and marriage for transgenders but recognizing multiple new genders gets into controversial/gray area and does not have enough scientific backing to verify. 5. One is either male or female based on reproductive parts.

1. Ok.
2. This has nothing to do with being gay.
3. No, there are more, and reproductive capability has nothing to do with it (after all, does a man who has been castrated or get a vasectomy no longer qualify as a man, does a woman born sterile not qualify as a woman).
4. There is scientific backing for more than 2 genders.
5. Again, reproductive parts has nothing to do with gender. Sex is between your legs (or your chromosomes), gender is between your ears.

[Saiwania]

As a complete transsexual, I'd like to ask if trying to be who you be on the outside who you are on the inside (man feels like a woman, vice-versa) is wrong. Nobody, at least nobody I've come in to contact to since my change, has noticed. Does that make me better or worse than other people?

I don't believe it is wrong, do as you'd like. I just can't think of anyone who was born male or female to be the opposite sex that they claim to be is all. Dating a transsexual would be a deal breaker for me, only biological women who remain so need apply. You being transsexual just makes you different, but no less deserving of the same rights as everyone else.

[Nadkor]

Comparing gender to race is two completely different things. One is about identity through gender roles, the other is about identity through culture.

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Really? That's your actual argument?

Gender roles are entirely cultural. If you're actually trying to argue that one is about identity through cultural norms and that the other is different because it's about identity through cultural norms then you're really going to struggle. That argument doesn't work. I completely support your point, but that argument doesn't work.

Also, are you claiming yourself to be NS's first 'public' mtf? Because NS has been around for over a decade, and that's just not true at all.

[Lantianguo]

10% of NS is transgendered? What? But... the leaflet the NHS gave me said we're 1 in 10,000 o.O

[Nazis in Space]

I'm a white, heterosexual male.

Check out my privilege :V

[CTALNH]

Live and let live.

NEXT!

[Distruzio]

The last thread got locked due to trolling (hint: try to be respectful in this thread, folks), but Tsar has allowed a successor thread.

So, NSG, are you supportive of trans* people? Do you recognize only two genders? Are you trans*?

As a genderqueer person, I am trans (therefore I am supportive), and by definition, recognize more than two genders.

EDIT: Changed some terminology.

Define supportive?

I recognize multiple genders.

I'm not trans.

I'm more physically attracted to MTF trans than I am to gender-girls.

[The Blaatschapen]

Warning: Only read OP.

I don't recognise any gender.

[Vettrera]

I only recognize Male/Female....but I accept Trans* people just the same.
So somewhere in between the first option, and the "indifferent" option.

[Sentinel Optik]

I am not "cisgender" or whatever other word you come up with. I am a normal male. What do you mean by "support"? I am good with the procedure being legal, but don't expect me to send flowers in celebration or support special rights. People who obsess about gender, race, and sexuality are too lazy to obsess about engineering, medicine, and the humanities.

[Ifreann]

I am not "cisgender" or whatever other word you come up with. I am a normal male.

So you are cisgendered.

People who obsess about gender, race, and sexuality are too lazy to obsess about engineering, medicine, and the humanities.

Sez who?

[Desperate Measures]

I am not "cisgender" or whatever other word you come up with. I am a normal male.

So you are cisgendered.

That word is big. I can't be that word.

[Grenartia]

10% of NS is transgendered? What? But... the leaflet the NHS gave me said we're 1 in 10,000 o.O

Ah, but LGBT people are more likely to be involved in online communities.

The last thread got locked due to trolling (hint: try to be respectful in this thread, folks), but Tsar has allowed a successor thread.

So, NSG, are you supportive of trans* people? Do you recognize only two genders? Are you trans*?

As a genderqueer person, I am trans (therefore I am supportive), and by definition, recognize more than two genders.

EDIT: Changed some terminology.

Define supportive?

I recognize multiple genders.

I'm not trans.

I'm more physically attracted to MTF trans than I am to gender-girls.

Supportive, in this context, refers to supporting the rights of trans* people to be trans*, to go through transition, etc.

I only recognize Male/Female....but I accept Trans* people just the same.
So somewhere in between the first option, and the "indifferent" option.

So you are the first option.

1.I am not "cisgender" or whatever other word you come up with. I am a normal male. 2. What do you mean by "support"? I am good with the procedure being legal, but don't expect me to send flowers in celebration or support special rights. 3. People who obsess about gender, race, and sexuality are too lazy to obsess about engineering, medicine, and the humanities.

1. You are cisgender if your gender identity matches your physical sex.

2. Supportive, in this context, refers to supporting the rights of trans* people to be trans*, to go through transition, etc.

3. Source?

[Distruzio]

In that case, yes, I support them.

[Ifreann]

So you are cisgendered.

That word is big. I can't be that word.

I believe in you, DM, you can be big words if you try.

[Sentinel Optik]

1.I am not "cisgender" or whatever other word you come up with. I am a normal male. 2. What do you mean by "support"? I am good with the procedure being legal, but don't expect me to send flowers in celebration or support special rights. 3. People who obsess about gender, race, and sexuality are too lazy to obsess about engineering, medicine, and the humanities.

1. You are cisgender if your gender identity matches your physical sex.

2. Supportive, in this context, refers to supporting the rights of trans* people to be trans*, to go through transition, etc.

3. Source?

1. No, that just makes me normal.

2. In the United States, as far as I know, that right exists. A person can go through gender reassignment surgery. What more do you want? Do you want the government (the taxpayer, me) to pay for your operation? Good god no. I will never support that.

3. Do I really need a source for that? These identity politics have sapped up the creative energies of a generation, whereby memes in order to put down opposing politicians passes for meaningful discourse.

I really resent the idea that you think that a normal, straight male like myself cares what you do. I really don't, as I have far better things to concern myself with, and the vast majority of people like me feel the same way. However, if a person of whatever alternative lifestyle either tries to get me to pay for their fetish, or tries to push their lifestyle in the public sphere, or wants me to congratulate them and celebrate diversity, then there is going to be resistance.

[Ifreann]

1. You are cisgender if your gender identity matches your physical sex.

2. Supportive, in this context, refers to supporting the rights of trans* people to be trans*, to go through transition, etc.

3. Source?

1. No, that just makes me normal.

So what does cisgender mean, then? You may not like that it describes you, but that doesn't change whether it does or not.

3. Do I really need a source for that?

Yes, you really, really do.

These identity politics have sapped up the creative energies of a generation, whereby memes in order to put down opposing politicians passes for meaningful discourse.

Sez you. The fields of engineering, medicine and the humanities still exist, though, so you're gonna need to back your claims up with more than just your word.

I really resent the idea that you think that a normal, straight male like myself cares what you do. I really don't, as I have far better things to concern myself with, and the vast majority of people like me feel the same way. However, if a person of whatever alternative lifestyle either tries to get me to pay for their fetish, or tries to push their lifestyle in the public sphere, or wants me to congratulate them and celebrate diversity, then there is going to be resistance.

Just as there has been resistance to every movement for equality. Best of luck. You'll need it.

[Souseiseki]

10% of NS is transgendered? What? But... the leaflet the NHS gave me said we're 1 in 10,000 o.O

trans agenda. it's basically only a matter of time until we rise up and establish our reich, and then everyone will be j-lo.

1. You are cisgender if your gender identity matches your physical sex.

2. Supportive, in this context, refers to supporting the rights of trans* people to be trans*, to go through transition, etc.

3. Source?

1. No, that just makes me normal.

2. In the United States, as far as I know, that right exists. A person can go through gender reassignment surgery. What more do you want? Do you want the government (the taxpayer, me) to pay for your operation? Good god no. I will never support that.

3. Do I really need a source for that? These identity politics have sapped up the creative energies of a generation, whereby memes in order to put down opposing politicians passes for meaningful discourse.

I really resent the idea that you think that a normal, straight male like myself cares what you do. I really don't, as I have far better things to concern myself with, and the vast majority of people like me feel the same way. However, if a person of whatever alternative lifestyle either tries to get me to pay for their fetish, or tries to push their lifestyle in the public sphere, or wants me to congratulate them and celebrate diversity, then there is going to be resistance.

man, i'm not a heterosexual. i'm just a normal male.

"fetish"

i dunno, i've actually heard of a few trans* physicists. seem to have done pretty well.

[Oneracon]

(1) So, NSG, are you supportive of trans* people? (2) Do you recognize only two genders? (3) Are you trans*?

1. Yes, very much so
2. No
3. No, just a cis homosexual male

[Desperate Measures]

10% of NS is transgendered? What? But... the leaflet the NHS gave me said we're 1 in 10,000 o.O

trans agenda. it's basically only a matter of time until we rise up and establish our reich, and then everyone will be j-lo.

1. No, that just makes me normal.

2. In the United States, as far as I know, that right exists. A person can go through gender reassignment surgery. What more do you want? Do you want the government (the taxpayer, me) to pay for your operation? Good god no. I will never support that.

3. Do I really need a source for that? These identity politics have sapped up the creative energies of a generation, whereby memes in order to put down opposing politicians passes for meaningful discourse.

I really resent the idea that you think that a normal, straight male like myself cares what you do. I really don't, as I have far better things to concern myself with, and the vast majority of people like me feel the same way. However, if a person of whatever alternative lifestyle either tries to get me to pay for their fetish, or tries to push their lifestyle in the public sphere, or wants me to congratulate them and celebrate diversity, then there is going to be resistance.

man, i'm not a heterosexual. i'm just a normal male.

"fetish"

i dunno, i've actually heard of a few trans* physicists. seem to have done pretty well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:T ... scientists

[Grenartia]

1. You are cisgender if your gender identity matches your physical sex.

2. Supportive, in this context, refers to supporting the rights of trans* people to be trans*, to go through transition, etc.

3. Source?

1. No, that just makes me normal.

2. In the United States, as far as I know, that right exists. A person can go through gender reassignment surgery. What more do you want? Do you want the government (the taxpayer, me) to pay for your operation? Good god no. I will never support that.

3. Do I really need a source for that? These identity politics have sapped up the creative energies of a generation, whereby memes in order to put down opposing politicians passes for meaningful discourse.

4. I really resent the idea that you think that a normal, straight male like myself cares what you do. I really don't, as I have far better things to concern myself with, and the vast majority of people like me feel the same way. However, if a person of whatever alternative lifestyle either tries to get me to pay for their fetish, or tries to push their lifestyle in the public sphere, or wants me to congratulate them and celebrate diversity, then there is going to be resistance.

1. Yes, because most people are cisgender.

2. Yes, the ability go through transition does exist. But, believe it or not, there are people opposed to our ability to get it. And yes, some assistance in paying for a very expensive and medically necessary operation that insurance often times won't cover would be greatly appreciated. As would some legislation preventing discrimination against us in the workplace, and the ability to get an M changed to an F on our legal documents, without having to get the surgery, simple things like that, that would more easily allow us to hold down a job outside of the sex industry.

3. So I take it that you blame the civil rights movement for us not having robot servants, flying cars, fusion power, and moon bases?

4. Just an FYI, its not a fetish.

10% of NS is transgendered? What? But... the leaflet the NHS gave me said we're 1 in 10,000 o.O

trans agenda. it's basically only a matter of time until we rise up and establish our reich, and then everyone will be j-lo.

1. No, that just makes me normal.

2. In the United States, as far as I know, that right exists. A person can go through gender reassignment surgery. What more do you want? Do you want the government (the taxpayer, me) to pay for your operation? Good god no. I will never support that.

3. Do I really need a source for that? These identity politics have sapped up the creative energies of a generation, whereby memes in order to put down opposing politicians passes for meaningful discourse.

I really resent the idea that you think that a normal, straight male like myself cares what you do. I really don't, as I have far better things to concern myself with, and the vast majority of people like me feel the same way. However, if a person of whatever alternative lifestyle either tries to get me to pay for their fetish, or tries to push their lifestyle in the public sphere, or wants me to congratulate them and celebrate diversity, then there is going to be resistance.

man, i'm not a heterosexual. i'm just a normal male.

"fetish"

i dunno, i've actually heard of a few trans* physicists. seem to have done pretty well.

Not to mention that more than a few of us are going to go to college to study science and engineering.

[Neutraligon]

So, how do those of us who are not trans and not cisgendered answer the poll?