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Cisgender, supportive of trans* people, recognize only two genders
112
21%
Cisgender, supportive of trans* people, recognize more than two genders
200
37%
Cisgender, unsupportive of trans* people
115
21%
Cisgender, indifferent
62
11%
Transgender, recognize only two genders
10
2%
Transgender, recognize more than two genders
47
9%
 
Total votes : 546

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The Steel Magnolia
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:08 pm

You dispute the existence of gender as a social construct?

Also re: chromosomes, I'm really not seeing your point's relevance.

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Xathranaar
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Postby Xathranaar » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:37 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:Take all the people of the world. Scatter them across a Gaussian distribution. Everyone within 2σ of the mean is normal.

Stats nerd. :P

(Is it bad that I understood that?)

You're Asian and autistic, it would be a miracle if you didn't understand it.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:39 pm

Xathranaar wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Stats nerd. :P

(Is it bad that I understood that?)

You're Asian and autistic, it would be a miracle if you didn't understand it.

Touche. :lol:
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Postby Farnhamia » Mon Mar 04, 2013 7:39 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Xathranaar wrote:You're Asian and autistic, it would be a miracle if you didn't understand it.

Touche. :lol:

You're Autasian?
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Postby Grenartia » Mon Mar 04, 2013 11:59 pm

Coccygia wrote:
The Blaatschapen wrote:
Haven't you heard about X0, XXY, etc.

I have indeed but these are pretty rare conditions, and have little relevance overall...just trying to keep to the main point.


Here's the question though. Why do you think that gender identity is somehow determined by chromosomes or sexual organs?

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In chase if anyone asks, this is my opinion.


Wow. A question mark. That really says a lot.

(in case you didn't pick up on the sarcasm, it tells us nothing.)

Coccygia wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:


Stop being terrible at basic high school biology.

In mammals the chromosomes pretty much determine the gonadal & phenotype sex, whether anyone knows about them or not. The cultural thing is exactly what I somewhat dispute.


There IS a difference between sex and gender, if that's what you're trying to say. The very fact that trans* people exist back it up. Also, CAIS women. If sex were truly gender, then they'd all identify as male.
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Postby YellowApple » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:03 am

The Emerald Dawn wrote:Triple X


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Defensor
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Postby Defensor » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:06 am

They are gross, disgusting, beautiful, cool, smelly, rude, kind, and thoughtful people. They also are great for surprising your drunken friends when they try and take them to bed. They also have strange voices.
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Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

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Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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The Steel Magnolia
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:32 am

Defensor wrote:They are gross, disgusting, beautiful, cool, smelly, rude, kind, and thoughtful people. They also are great for surprising your drunken friends when they try and take them to bed. They also have strange voices.


The myth that you're only disclosing when you're in bed with them is tired and needs to stop right about now.

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Postby Defensor » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:40 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Defensor wrote:They are gross, disgusting, beautiful, cool, smelly, rude, kind, and thoughtful people. They also are great for surprising your drunken friends when they try and take them to bed. They also have strange voices.


The myth that you're only disclosing when you're in bed with them is tired and needs to stop right about now.

You mad bro?
I get on NS when I'm bored. TG's are welcomed and replied to!
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Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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The Steel Magnolia
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:41 am

Defensor wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
The myth that you're only disclosing when you're in bed with them is tired and needs to stop right about now.

You mad bro?


Frankly? Yes, I am, because it's an asinine statement that has no bearing in fact, and significantly contributes to a decidedly negative perception of transgender people.

So stop it.

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Grenartia
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Postby Grenartia » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:43 am

Defensor wrote:They are gross, disgusting, beautiful, cool, smelly, rude, kind, and thoughtful people. They also are great for surprising your drunken friends when they try and take them to bed. They also have strange voices.


:palm:

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Defensor wrote:They are gross, disgusting, beautiful, cool, smelly, rude, kind, and thoughtful people. They also are great for surprising your drunken friends when they try and take them to bed. They also have strange voices.


The myth that you're only disclosing when you're in bed with them is tired and needs to stop right about now.


Nah, it needs to stop yesterday.

Defensor wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
The myth that you're only disclosing when you're in bed with them is tired and needs to stop right about now.

You mad bro?


I ain't even mad.
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Xathranaar
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Postby Xathranaar » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:49 am

Defensor wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
The myth that you're only disclosing when you're in bed with them is tired and needs to stop right about now.

You mad bro?

When I establish my Reich, people who use this phrase will be the first to go. Along with NASCAR fans, and anyone who has ever actively initiated a high-five.
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Souseiseki
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Postby Souseiseki » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:52 am

Defensor wrote:They also are great for surprising your drunken friends when they try and take them to bed.

this is a great way of getting people killed just sayin'

They also have strange voices.


i dunno, transmen seem to have awesome voices. fucking testosterone.

Xathranaar wrote:
Defensor wrote:You mad bro?

When I establish my Reich, people who use this phrase will be the first to go. Along with NASCAR fans, and anyone who has ever actively initiated a high-five.


did you just paraphrase charlie brooker
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Postby Xathranaar » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:53 am

Souseiseki wrote:
Defensor wrote:They also are great for surprising your drunken friends when they try and take them to bed.

this is a great way of getting people killed just sayin'

They also have strange voices.


i dunno, transmen seem to have awesome voices. fucking testosterone.

Xathranaar wrote:When I establish my Reich, people who use this phrase will be the first to go. Along with NASCAR fans, and anyone who has ever actively initiated a high-five.


did you just paraphrase charlie brooker

Did I? I would be enormously pleased if I did.
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Postby Defensor » Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:54 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Defensor wrote:You mad bro?


Frankly? Yes, I am, because it's an asinine statement that has no bearing in fact, and significantly contributes to a decidedly negative perception of transgender people.

So stop it.

Idk man, changing your parts out just seems...unnatural...

I honestly can't think of anything positive concerning transgendersto be honest. Sorry :meh:
I get on NS when I'm bored. TG's are welcomed and replied to!
Spreewerke wrote:
Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Suicune
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Postby Suicune » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:01 am

Defensor wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Frankly? Yes, I am, because it's an asinine statement that has no bearing in fact, and significantly contributes to a decidedly negative perception of transgender people.

So stop it.

Idk man, changing your parts out just seems...unnatural...

I honestly can't think of anything positive concerning transgendersto be honest. Sorry :meh:


Can you think of anything negative?
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Postby Immoren » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:04 am

Defensor wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Frankly? Yes, I am, because it's an asinine statement that has no bearing in fact, and significantly contributes to a decidedly negative perception of transgender people.

So stop it.

Idk man, changing your parts out just seems...unnatural...

I honestly can't think of anything positive concerning transgendersto be honest. Sorry :meh:

"If you have nothing positive to say, best remain silent." :P
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Postby Defensor » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:07 am

Suicune wrote:
Defensor wrote:Idk man, changing your parts out just seems...unnatural...

I honestly can't think of anything positive concerning transgendersto be honest. Sorry :meh:


Can you think of anything negative?

Yeah, they're a transgeneder? Meaning he was a male but is now a female? Even though there are clearly parts of his/it's body that are not natural. So in essence, he's still not a female, just fucking kind of looks like one from a distance. I find that negative, disgusting, and just plain old weird.

I'm not saying I hate they guy, he/she whatever is probably a cool...whatever...but that doesn't mean it's a natural or a "right" thing to do, so to say.
I get on NS when I'm bored. TG's are welcomed and replied to!
Spreewerke wrote:
Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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The Steel Magnolia
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Postby The Steel Magnolia » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:07 am

Defensor wrote:
The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Frankly? Yes, I am, because it's an asinine statement that has no bearing in fact, and significantly contributes to a decidedly negative perception of transgender people.

So stop it.

Idk man, changing your parts out just seems...unnatural...

I honestly can't think of anything positive concerning transgendersto be honest. Sorry :meh:


First off, changing your 'parts' isn't always a part of being transgender.

Secondly fuck nature.

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Postby Defensor » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:07 am

Immoren wrote:
Defensor wrote:Idk man, changing your parts out just seems...unnatural...

I honestly can't think of anything positive concerning transgendersto be honest. Sorry :meh:

"If you have nothing positive to say, best remain silent." :P

This is true Immoren :) Ty!

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Defensor wrote:Idk man, changing your parts out just seems...unnatural...

I honestly can't think of anything positive concerning transgendersto be honest. Sorry :meh:


First off, changing your 'parts' isn't always a part of being transgender.

Secondly fuck nature.

I mean, what's to say that I can't go "Well, I really feel like I should've been a dog. Doctor, make me into a female dog!" While I know not all transgenders require "parts swapping", it still is weird changing who you are.
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I get on NS when I'm bored. TG's are welcomed and replied to!
Spreewerke wrote:
Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Xathranaar
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Postby Xathranaar » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:11 am

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
Defensor wrote:Idk man, changing your parts out just seems...unnatural...

I honestly can't think of anything positive concerning transgendersto be honest. Sorry :meh:


First off, changing your 'parts' isn't always a part of being transgender.

Secondly fuck nature.

Nature. From the people who brought you Yersinia pestis and aging.
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Postby Pillea » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:14 am

Defensor wrote:
Immoren wrote:"If you have nothing positive to say, best remain silent." :P

This is true Immoren :) Ty!

The Steel Magnolia wrote:
First off, changing your 'parts' isn't always a part of being transgender.

Secondly fuck nature.

I mean, what's to say that I can't go "Well, I really feel like I should've been a dog. Doctor, make me into a female dog!" While I know not all transgenders require "parts swapping", it still is weird changing who you are.


So do you also have a problem with breast enlargements/reductions? What about nose jobs? Or heck, tanning?
All are changes to parts of your body after all....
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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:15 am

Defensor wrote:I mean, what's to say that I can't go "Well, I really feel like I should've been a dog. Doctor, make me into a female dog!" While I know not all transgenders require "parts swapping", it still is weird changing who you are.


Gender/sex=/=species.
IC Flag Is a Pope Principia
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Defensor » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:16 am

Pillea wrote:
Defensor wrote:This is true Immoren :) Ty!


I mean, what's to say that I can't go "Well, I really feel like I should've been a dog. Doctor, make me into a female dog!" While I know not all transgenders require "parts swapping", it still is weird changing who you are.


So do you also have a problem with breast enlargements/reductions? What about nose jobs? Or heck, tanning?
All are changes to parts of your body after all....

I wouldn't say problem, but I don't that's natural either. I mean, if the future is "let's all just make ourselves be whoever we wanna be through science", then I'm not in. Just doesn't sit right with me. But you know, it's whatever. People will do what they will.
I get on NS when I'm bored. TG's are welcomed and replied to!
Spreewerke wrote:
Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Postby Defensor » Tue Mar 05, 2013 1:17 am

Immoren wrote:
Defensor wrote:I mean, what's to say that I can't go "Well, I really feel like I should've been a dog. Doctor, make me into a female dog!" While I know not all transgenders require "parts swapping", it still is weird changing who you are.


Gender/sex=/=species.

I know, just, over dramatizing :o Sorry!
I get on NS when I'm bored. TG's are welcomed and replied to!
Spreewerke wrote:
Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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