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Cisgender, supportive of trans* people, recognize only two genders
112
21%
Cisgender, supportive of trans* people, recognize more than two genders
200
37%
Cisgender, unsupportive of trans* people
115
21%
Cisgender, indifferent
62
11%
Transgender, recognize only two genders
10
2%
Transgender, recognize more than two genders
47
9%
 
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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:49 am

Distruzio wrote:
Autismiah wrote:I support the World Health Organisation in its view of gender dysphoria. It is a mental illness. This is generally accepted by the scientific community.

Find me one transgender person who didn't have serious problems in childhood, usually due to a parent leaving. Saying ''me'' or ''a friend'' is not an appropriate answer.


I know several, personally, who do not fit this trope.

Doesn't count, apparently.
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Postby Totalise » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:51 am

they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself

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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:52 am

Totalise wrote:they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself

i'm more into cisstep personally
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Postby Oterro » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:53 am

Totalise wrote:they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself

extrapolate without saying god says so
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:53 am

Totalise wrote:they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself


I think God says transgender people are fine.

There, so obviously you're wrong :)
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:53 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Distruzio wrote:
I know several, personally, who do not fit this trope.

Doesn't count, apparently.



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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:54 am

does the bible even mention transgender people
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Postby Rocopurr » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:55 am

Totalise wrote:they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself

I don't recall God saying anything about transgenders.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:55 am

Totalise wrote:they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself

Is "trancegender" some subgenre of trance?
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:55 am

I find transgender people to be... strange. But not in a harmful, "keep the kids away from them" sort of way. More in the same way I treat people who wear socks with sandals, with mild distaste stemming largely from my own vanity.

I recognize only two genders, but that's not to the disparagement of anyone who considers themselves intersex or otherwise.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:55 am

Totalise wrote:they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself



As a resident uber-Christian on NS, I reject this position utterly and with prejudice.
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:55 am

Souseiseki wrote:does the bible even mention transgender people


Shh, I'm trying to set up a thing...
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:56 am

Souseiseki wrote:does the bible even mention transgender people



Of course it does. Right next to non-Republicans, anarchists, and unicorns. They're all going to hell.
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Postby Choronzon » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:57 am

Totalise wrote:they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself

Fuck your "god"

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Postby Oterro » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:57 am

Souseiseki wrote:does the bible even mention transgender people

29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
30 And if your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to go into hell.

you can switch eye for penis and it kind of works. if it's going to stop you being bad knock yourself out.
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Postby The Merchant Republics » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:58 am

Distruzio wrote:
Totalise wrote:they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself



As a resident uber-Christian on NS, I reject this position utterly and with prejudice.


Likewise.
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:58 am

Choronzon wrote:
Totalise wrote:they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself

Fuck your "god"


Indeed.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:59 am

Souseiseki wrote:does the bible even mention transgender people

Deuteronomy 22:5
5 “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

So, yes. But why it should matter to anyone who doesn't follow the bible is beyond me.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:59 am

Immoren wrote:
Totalise wrote:they are hardly people. my view is that "Trancegender" is an abomination and an afront to socity, the church, if not god himself

Is "trancegender" some subgenre of trance?

:rofl:
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Postby Souseiseki » Mon Feb 25, 2013 11:59 am

Desperate Measures wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:does the bible even mention transgender people

Deuteronomy 22:5
5 “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

So, yes. But why it should matter to anyone who doesn't follow the bible is beyond me.

that'd be transvestite, not transgender. oooooooooh. god just got owned.
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Postby Oneracon » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:00 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:does the bible even mention transgender people

Deuteronomy 22:5
5 “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

So, yes. But why it should matter to anyone who doesn't follow the bible is beyond me.


Well from a literal interpretation, wouldn't that depend on what you define as "man" or "woman"?
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Postby Oterro » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:00 pm

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Immoren wrote:Is "trancegender" some subgenre of trance?

:rofl:

viewtopic.php?p=13125906#p13125906

much better version of this joke step up I:
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Postby Distruzio » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:01 pm

Desperate Measures wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:does the bible even mention transgender people

Deuteronomy 22:5
5 “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

So, yes. But why it should matter to anyone who doesn't follow the bible is beyond me.


I don't think that verse applies to transgenders. Perhaps transvestites. Not transgenders. If anything, the transgender is upholding that particular verse more appropriately than gender girls typically do.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:02 pm

Oterro wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote: :rofl:

viewtopic.php?p=13125922#p13125922

much better version of this joke step up I:

I don't even care to bother.
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Postby Desperate Measures » Mon Feb 25, 2013 12:04 pm

Distruzio wrote:
Desperate Measures wrote:Deuteronomy 22:5
5 “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.

So, yes. But why it should matter to anyone who doesn't follow the bible is beyond me.


I don't think that verse applies to transgenders. Perhaps transvestites. Not transgenders. If anything, the transgender is upholding that particular verse more appropriately than gender girls typically do.

Maybe so. I think also I view the term transgender as a bigger umbrella term than some others do.
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