Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I think it's very strange to feel like a girl and be a boy or the other way a round.
Don't you lie to me you've never wanted to walk a mile in another shoes.
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by Immoren » Mon Feb 25, 2013 2:47 am
Empire of Vlissingen wrote:I think it's very strange to feel like a girl and be a boy or the other way a round.
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there
by Veceria » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:02 am
Zeth Rekia wrote:You making Zeno horny.
DesAnges wrote:People don't deserve respect, they earn it.
FoxTropica wrote:And then Hurdegaryp kissed Thafoo, Meanwhile Fox-Mary-"Sue"-Tropica saved TET from destruction and everyone happily forever.
Then suddenly fights broke out because hey, it's the internet.
by Gauntleted Fist » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:33 am
by Casinoria » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:37 am
by Transhuman Proteus » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:41 am
Daemyrs wrote:Condunum wrote:Yeah I don't want my money going to fix your knee because it would make your life better. Use your money to fix what you want.
Id be fine with that. I'm homeless and I'm against anything that isn't provided by yourself. I find ways of paying for food and a phone. I make sure I can get medical help. And, who pays for it in the end? Me.
Daemyrs wrote:Condunum wrote:Good for you. And it'll be your fault if it turns out you have serious long-term problems that have gone unchecked for years.
Well, seeing that the closest hospital to me is horrible, ill make due. Would you willingly got to a place that got sued because of your grandfathers death due to neglect?
by The Truth and Light » Mon Feb 25, 2013 5:55 am
by Souseiseki » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:44 am
I was making reference to my nation's flag, if you have not yet gathered that.
As for SRS as a stopper of suicide and thus necessary to save lives, I must object to your voluminous feels.
Pay for the surgery on your own dime if you feel it's so life or death you'll commit suicide over it.
It's not the state's job to prevent suicides by throwing money at people's wants.
If you disagree with that politically, then our discourse will certainly yield no fruit and we'll simply have to agree to disagree.
Euroslavia wrote:I'm going out on a bit of a limb here, but I've been struggling with the fact that my feeling and my biology are two different entities fighting against each other. The possibility of a gender re-assignment has been on my mind for some time, but has been very much dominating my mind for the last week, moreso than the last 10 years. My opinion? I have a massive amount of compassion, because I feel their pain and I don't know how to deal with it.
Yes, you do.
It seems like every few threads is something about gays, or bisexuals, or asexuals, or transgenders, or cisgenders (the fuck is that retarded term supposed to be), fakejwgsexuals, etc. Its absolutely ridiculous.
by Ifreann » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:49 am
Nadkor wrote:Neutraligon wrote:Mechanical engineering. Specifically I'm studying medical robotics from a mechanical rather than electrical or bio engineering perspective. I'm researching prosthesis.
What? This is an outrage. You're not cisgendered, do you not realise that you're only capable of doing gender studies which isn't a proper thing because I don't understand it? Engineering, indeed. Pfft.
The Lone Alliance wrote:No it's not, it's a word made up by two Transgender activists.Nailed to the Perch wrote:
The opposite of transgender; someone whose gender identity is the same as their assigned biological sex at birth.
No really look it up, it's not a scientific term in the slightest. It only appeared in the 90s and is only a term really circulated on the internet.
"Science" does not use the term "Cis"
cis-
1.
a prefix occurring in loanwords from Latin meaning “on the near side of” ( cisalpine ); on this model, used in the formation of compound words ( cisatlantic ).
2.
Chemistry . a specialization of this denoting a geometric isomer having a pair of identical atoms or groups attached on the same side of two atoms linked by a double bond. Compare trans- ( def 2 ) .
Sentinel Optik wrote:...I think this whole gender confusion thing could be better solved with medication than surgery...
by Bottle » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:51 am
The Truth and Light wrote:The idea of "gender" is a sexist concept by very nature, and it is deeply rooted in our society so I don't really see change coming.
I am okay with transgender people, I guess. My only concern is that it just seems like you're choosing one oppressive label in place of another, instead of just finding who you are independent of these labels that are all centered around the pillar of heteronormalcy. But I guess if gender works for you, then go for it. I choose to identify as male, it works for me. I'm all for being who you are.
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Feb 25, 2013 6:52 am
The Truth and Light wrote:The idea of "gender" is a sexist concept by very nature, and it is deeply rooted in our society so I don't really see change coming.
I am okay with transgender people, I guess. My only concern is that it just seems like you're choosing one oppressive label in place of another, instead of just finding who you are independent of these labels that are all centered around the pillar of heteronormalcy. But I guess if gender works for you, then go for it. I choose to identify as male, it works for me. I'm all for being who you are.
by Bottle » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:04 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:The Truth and Light wrote:The idea of "gender" is a sexist concept by very nature, and it is deeply rooted in our society so I don't really see change coming.
I am okay with transgender people, I guess. My only concern is that it just seems like you're choosing one oppressive label in place of another, instead of just finding who you are independent of these labels that are all centered around the pillar of heteronormalcy. But I guess if gender works for you, then go for it. I choose to identify as male, it works for me. I'm all for being who you are.
>implying that all transgender people are binary-identified
>implying that self-identity can ever be truly independent of reference to the existing cultural terms and resources circulating in society
by The Steel Magnolia » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:40 am
Casinoria wrote:Personally I recognise two genders. I've seen the term "genderqueer" thrown around and from my understanding it's either a mix of two genders or an absence of either gender. Correct me if I'm wrong. I believe that if you don't have either gender then, unless it's identified as a brand new gender, then its an absence and as such not a new gender.
If you are trans*, genderqueer or anything else then good luck to you. You deserve the same rights as everybody else.
by Dumb Ideologies » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:44 am
Bottle wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
>implying that all transgender people are binary-identified
>implying that self-identity can ever be truly independent of reference to the existing cultural terms and resources circulating in society
Most transgender people ARE binary-identified...just like most cis people. Because that's the "existing cultural terms" that we all live within, trans and cis alike.
And you're right, self-identity cannot ever be completely independent from our social context, but so what? Does that mean we shouldn't push for better understanding of that context, and try to spot the parts of our self-identity which actually aren't really about ourselves at all? Sure, we're never going to be able to be perfect objective observers, but so what? There's still plenty of room for growth.
by Desperate Measures » Mon Feb 25, 2013 7:59 am
Euroslavia wrote:I'm going out on a bit of a limb here, but I've been struggling with the fact that my feeling and my biology are two different entities fighting against each other. The possibility of a gender re-assignment has been on my mind for some time, but has been very much dominating my mind for the last week, moreso than the last 10 years. My opinion? I have a massive amount of compassion, because I feel their pain and I don't know how to deal with it.
by Bottle » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:01 am
Dumb Ideologies wrote:Bottle wrote:Most transgender people ARE binary-identified...just like most cis people. Because that's the "existing cultural terms" that we all live within, trans and cis alike.
And you're right, self-identity cannot ever be completely independent from our social context, but so what? Does that mean we shouldn't push for better understanding of that context, and try to spot the parts of our self-identity which actually aren't really about ourselves at all? Sure, we're never going to be able to be perfect objective observers, but so what? There's still plenty of room for growth.
Yeah...and trans folks engage in trying to understand gender and engage in intense self-reflection about their gendered selves at least as much, often more so than the cis community. Pretty bored of transplaining against sneery feminist "more enlightened than thou" intellectually bankrupt gender posturing.
by Souseiseki » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:04 am
Bottle wrote:Dumb Ideologies wrote:
Yeah...and trans folks engage in trying to understand gender and engage in intense self-reflection about their gendered selves at least as much, often more so than the cis community. Pretty bored of transplaining against sneery feminist "more enlightened than thou" intellectually bankrupt gender posturing.
I can understand that, and honestly I do respect it, which is why I generally shut the fuck up about this subject around trans people unless they specifically invite me to discuss it. I also refrain from cis-splaining to trans people about any of it, and stick to offering my perspective and my opinions (which I do not pretend are perfect, objective, or immune to all the same cultural biases that everyone else experiences).
And, I am well aware that the feminist community as a whole has a really shitty history when it comes to trans issues. I don't expect trans people to ignore that or forget it or even cut feminism a break in spite of it, because feminism has earned its lumps on this one.
by The Steel Magnolia » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:06 am
Bottle wrote:I can understand that, and honestly I do respect it, which is why I generally shut the fuck up about this subject around trans people unless they specifically invite me to discuss it. I also refrain from cis-splaining to trans people about any of it, and stick to offering my perspective and my opinions (which I do not pretend are perfect, objective, or immune to all the same cultural biases that everyone else experiences).
And, I am well aware that the feminist community as a whole has a really shitty history when it comes to trans issues. I don't expect trans people to ignore that or forget it or even cut feminism a break in spite of it, because feminism has earned its lumps on this one.
by Desperate Measures » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:12 am
Souseiseki wrote:Bottle wrote:I can understand that, and honestly I do respect it, which is why I generally shut the fuck up about this subject around trans people unless they specifically invite me to discuss it. I also refrain from cis-splaining to trans people about any of it, and stick to offering my perspective and my opinions (which I do not pretend are perfect, objective, or immune to all the same cultural biases that everyone else experiences).
And, I am well aware that the feminist community as a whole has a really shitty history when it comes to trans issues. I don't expect trans people to ignore that or forget it or even cut feminism a break in spite of it, because feminism has earned its lumps on this one.
it's kinda annoying that i can't rant about radical feminists without people thinking i'm some conservative loon ):
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:13 am
by Desperate Measures » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:15 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Where is the option for less than two genders?
by Ostroeuropa » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:16 am
Gender is a range of physical, mental, and behavioral characteristics distinguishing between masculinity and femininity.
You are cisgender if your gender identity matches your physical sex.
Gender identity refers to a person's private sense of, and subjective experience of, their own gender. This is generally described as one's private sense of being a man or a woman, consisting primarily of the acceptance of membership into a category of people: male or female.
by Edward Richtofen » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:18 am
Nationalist State of Knox wrote:It seems like Donald has pulled out his Trump card.
Corrian wrote: I'm freaking Corrian.
Death Metal wrote:By the OP's logic:
-Communists are big fans of capitalism
-Anarchists believe in the necessity of the state
-Vegans fucking love to eat meat.
-Christians actually worship Satan.
-Homosexual men all like to sleep with women.
by Scholencia » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:26 am
Grenartia wrote:
So, NSG, are you supportive of trans* people? Do you recognize only two genders? Are you trans*?
by Souseiseki » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:30 am
by Desperate Measures » Mon Feb 25, 2013 8:32 am
Ostroeuropa wrote:Desperate Measures wrote:One gender to rule them all?Gender is a range of physical, mental, and behavioral characteristics distinguishing between masculinity and femininity.
If you think the entire concept of masculinity and femininity is bullshit from the get go you can't really believe in gender. At least that definition of it.
If you mean gender/sex then sure. I recognize more than two.You are cisgender if your gender identity matches your physical sex.
By this definition I can't be cisgender either.Gender identity refers to a person's private sense of, and subjective experience of, their own gender. This is generally described as one's private sense of being a man or a woman, consisting primarily of the acceptance of membership into a category of people: male or female.
The key word being acceptance. I don't accept that those categories have any real baring on identity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_abolitionism
I am physically a male. I wouldn't consider myself male gendered in anything but the physical sense. If anything I have more traditional feminine characteristics. If by gender identity you mean "Do you feel ok with having a penis or would you prefer not to?" then it seems like nobody should really care and it's down to whatever the individual wants to do. It's their body. It seems like a lot of effort to go through but then it doesn't really bother me, I suppose if it did I would get it changed. If someone were to tell me they were a transsexual my response would be "Ok." while privately thinking "So what?" which would be my same response if someone angrily declared "That person is a transsexual!" though it that case i'd add "Why do you care exactly?"
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