Communism

[Sociobiology]

And how am I supposed to make communism then?

Even the freaking Anarchist Mahko had to kill a few thousand Ukrainians to solidify his Anarchist Collectivist communes.

Maybe, just maybe, a system that requires the killing of a majority of earths population and indoctrination of the rest isn't worth it? What if it doesn't work? What if you missed one guy who decides to seize power? Then what? All of it for nothing.

or here's a strange Idea, how about we used a mixed system to feed and educate every single human being on the planet. You know kinda like the path we are on now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w
Then, once no one on earth is starving, and everyone is healthy and well educated, we let them decide for themselves what system they want.

"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions." H. Vetinari

[CTALNH]

Croatian and baltic workers are all fascists? Explain to me how you're not a run of the mill racist.

CTAHLN and racism?

You don't say.

Please stop personally making fun of me.

I feel hurt...

You're making fun of your self, we are just pointing out the obvious.

If you really want to be a true Communist (and not one of those delusional megalomaniac vanguard party ideologues who still end up saturating themselves in excessive wealth while their "proletariat" starves to death, or otherwise resides in near widespread misery) stop supporting outright Red Fascists and other genocidal megalomaniac faux-communists.

Okay you are starting to piss me off.

I know I sure us hell will not ever convince anyone here to side with me.

I have already said that the are 3 variations to being a socialist.

Reformist.
Anarchist.
Marxist.

Now if you people can't get it through your freaking skulls that Marxism is not Anarchism nor reformism its not my freaking fault.

[Volnotova]

or here's a strange Idea, how about we used a mixed system to feed and educate every single human being on the planet. You know kinda like the path we are on now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w
Then, once no one on earth is starving, and everyone is healthy and well educated, we let them decide for themselves what system they want.

"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions." H. Vetinari

No no, you're looking at it from the wrong angle.

What is in it for all those megalomaniac Vanguard Party ideologues?

Simply put: In essence, they would no longer be required.

If their interests include accumulating power over others(Which it does), than a non-starving(well fed), "wealthy", "well educated" and satisfied "proletariat" are NOT in their (best) interests.

[CTALNH]

All anarchists derive from some variation of Bakunism.

Anarchism is stupid.The end.

You're not a communist. The end.

Not that I am or whatever...

I am a Marxist Leninist communist.

[Yorkopolis]

CTAHLN and racism?

You don't say.



You're making fun of your self, we are just pointing out the obvious.

If you really want to be a true Communist (and not one of those delusional megalomaniac vanguard party ideologues who still end up saturating themselves in excessive wealth while their "proletariat" starves to death, or otherwise resides in near widespread misery) stop supporting outright Red Fascists and other genocidal megalomaniac faux-communists.

Okay you are starting to piss me off.

I know I sure us hell will not ever convince anyone here to side with me.

I have already said that the are 3 variations to being a socialist.

Reformist.
Anarchist.
Marxist.

Now if you people can't get it through your freaking skulls that Marxism is not Anarchism nor reformism its not my freaking fault.

I'm not sure if you know but Marxism is a method of critique of capitalism. A Marxist is a person who criticizes capitalism from that certain worldview, nothing more nothing less. You don't need to be advocating a classless, stateless and moneyless society to be a Marxist. If a person is a communist, however, then they are advocating a classless, stateless and moneyless society.

[Dejanic]

CTAHLN and racism?

You don't say.



You're making fun of your self, we are just pointing out the obvious.

If you really want to be a true Communist (and not one of those delusional megalomaniac vanguard party ideologues who still end up saturating themselves in excessive wealth while their "proletariat" starves to death, or otherwise resides in near widespread misery) stop supporting outright Red Fascists and other genocidal megalomaniac faux-communists.

Okay you are starting to piss me off.

I know I sure us hell will not ever convince anyone here to side with me.

I have already said that the are 3 variations to being a socialist.

Reformist.
Anarchist.
Marxist.

Now if you people can't get it through your freaking skulls that Marxism is not Anarchism nor reformism its not my freaking fault.

Wait, so if a Communist doesn't support a vanguard party, then they can't be a Marxist, and have to be either an Anarchist or a reformist, even though the idea of a vanguard party was from Lenin, not Marx.

[CTALNH]

I would have probably taught them how to shoot.

And know what to shoot.

I am not gonna make them a bunch of pacifists.

And those who join this man who has influence knows how to shoot guns
What if the people don't want to plunge the devastated world into another war?
So you have communes of warlike communists as the perfect system, that sounds like feudalism to me.

What?

[CTALNH]

Okay you are starting to piss me off.

I know I sure us hell will not ever convince anyone here to side with me.

I have already said that the are 3 variations to being a socialist.

Reformist.
Anarchist.
Marxist.

Now if you people can't get it through your freaking skulls that Marxism is not Anarchism nor reformism its not my freaking fault.

Wait, so if a Communist doesn't support a vanguard party, then they can't be a Marxist, and have to be either an Anarchist or a reformist, even though the idea of a vanguard party was from Lenin, not Marx.

Marx said that the peoples revolution...

Read the freaking On Authority from Engels.

[Yorkopolis]

Okay you are starting to piss me off.

I know I sure us hell will not ever convince anyone here to side with me.

I have already said that the are 3 variations to being a socialist.

Reformist.
Anarchist.
Marxist.

Now if you people can't get it through your freaking skulls that Marxism is not Anarchism nor reformism its not my freaking fault.

Wait, so if a Communist doesn't support a vanguard party, then they can't be a Marxist, and have to be either an Anarchist or a reformist, even though the idea of a vanguard party was from Lenin, not Marx.

Let's not start about how Marxism is a critique of capitalism, and nothing more, nothing less, and anyone who is a Marxist is one who criticizes capitalism from that same worldview and who analyzes society using historical materialism and dialectics.

[Volnotova]

I know I sure us hell will not ever convince anyone here to side with me.

I have already said that the are 3 variations to being a socialist.

Reformist.
Anarchist.
Marxist.

Now if you people can't get it through your freaking skulls that Marxism is not Anarchism nor reformism its not my freaking fault.

You support tyrants eradicating (parts of) their own population, (including members of the proletariat) many of whom live lifes that include excessive wealth, fame and power.

I am not the only person that has a hard time believing you are a "Communist".

[CTALNH]

Okay you are starting to piss me off.

I know I sure us hell will not ever convince anyone here to side with me.

I have already said that the are 3 variations to being a socialist.

Reformist.
Anarchist.
Marxist.

Now if you people can't get it through your freaking skulls that Marxism is not Anarchism nor reformism its not my freaking fault.

I'm not sure if you know but Marxism is a method of critique of capitalism. A Marxist is a person who criticizes capitalism from that certain worldview, nothing more nothing less. You don't need to be advocating a classless, stateless and moneyless society to be a Marxist. If a person is a communist, however, then they are advocating a classless, stateless and moneyless society.

Marxist or commonly know Dialectic materialism =/= Marxism politics.

[CTALNH]

Wait, so if a Communist doesn't support a vanguard party, then they can't be a Marxist, and have to be either an Anarchist or a reformist, even though the idea of a vanguard party was from Lenin, not Marx.

Let's not start about how Marxism is a critique of capitalism, and nothing more, nothing less, and anyone who is a Marxist is one who criticizes capitalism from that same worldview and who analyzes society using historical materialism and dialectics.

Your are talking nonsense.

Dialectical Materialism is not Marxism.

[Yorkopolis]

I'm not sure if you know but Marxism is a method of critique of capitalism. A Marxist is a person who criticizes capitalism from that certain worldview, nothing more nothing less. You don't need to be advocating a classless, stateless and moneyless society to be a Marxist. If a person is a communist, however, then they are advocating a classless, stateless and moneyless society.

Marxist or commonly know Dialectic materialism =/= Marxism politics.

Marxism has an accompanying socio-economic theory, yes. But in the end Marxism is still a methodology of analyzing the society and criticizing it using that methodology.

Let's not start about how Marxism is a critique of capitalism, and nothing more, nothing less, and anyone who is a Marxist is one who criticizes capitalism from that same worldview and who analyzes society using historical materialism and dialectics.

Your are talking nonsense.

Dialectical Materialism is not Marxism.

I never said dialectical materialism is Marxism, read my post again. Here, I'll fetch the part:

and anyone who is a Marxist is one who criticizes capitalism from that same worldview and who analyzes society using historical materialism and dialectics.

[Rambo and elmo]

im in favor of communism if the country is small and has alot of resources, contrary to USSR, North Korea, and Cuba

[CTALNH]

I know I sure us hell will not ever convince anyone here to side with me.

I have already said that the are 3 variations to being a socialist.

Reformist.
Anarchist.
Marxist.

Now if you people can't get it through your freaking skulls that Marxism is not Anarchism nor reformism its not my freaking fault.

You support tyrants eradicating (parts of) their own population, (including members of the proletariat) many of whom live lifes that include excessive wealth, fame and power.

I am not the only person that has a hard time believing you are a "Communist".

So me Aleksandr Zinovyev and Ludo Martens are not communists?

[Dejanic]

You support tyrants eradicating (parts of) their own population, (including members of the proletariat) many of whom live lifes that include excessive wealth, fame and power.

I am not the only person that has a hard time believing you are a "Communist".

So me Aleksandr Zinovyev and Ludo Martens are not communists?

Yes.

[CTALNH]

So me Aleksandr Zinovyev and Ludo Martens are not communists?

Yes.

The I object.We are.

[Dejanic]

And please, don't call yourself a Leninist, your views and the views of other modern "Marxist-Leninists" have nothing to do with what Lenin believed in, just stick to calling yourself a Stalinist.

[CTALNH]

And please, don't call yourself a Leninist, your views and the views of other modern "Marxist-Leninists" have nothing to do with what Lenin believed in, just stick to calling yourself a Stalinist.

And what are you Lenin assistant telling me how to read his works?

Stalinists is the name you gave us.

We are Anti revisionist Marxist Leninists.

[Sociobiology]

or here's a strange Idea, how about we used a mixed system to feed and educate every single human being on the planet. You know kinda like the path we are on now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVimVzgtD6w
Then, once no one on earth is starving, and everyone is healthy and well educated, we let them decide for themselves what system they want.

"Pulling together is the aim of despotism and tyranny. Free men pull in all kinds of directions." H. Vetinari

No no, you're looking at it from the wrong angle.

What is in it for all those megalomaniac Vanguard Party ideologues?

Simply put: In essence, they would no longer be required.

so?

If their interests include accumulating power over others(Which it does), than a non-starving(well fed), "wealthy", "well educated" and satisfied "proletariat" are NOT in their (best) interests.

so?, they don't seem to be able to do anything about it.

[Yorkopolis]

And please, don't call yourself a Leninist, your views and the views of other modern "Marxist-Leninists" have nothing to do with what Lenin believed in, just stick to calling yourself a Stalinist.

And what are you Lenin assistant telling me how to read his works?

Stalinists is the name you gave us.

We are Anti revisionist Marxist Leninists.

Marxism-Leninism is actually formulated by Stalin, and thus, Marxism-Leninism is Stalinism. For actual Leninism, the ideology Lenin followed, look up Leninism. It doesn't have a separate wikipedia page for no reason anyhow.

[Dejanic]

What York said, and to be honest, I'd say Trotskyism is much closer to Lenins views than Stalinism, not that I support either.

[CTALNH]

And what are you Lenin assistant telling me how to read his works?

Stalinists is the name you gave us.

We are Anti revisionist Marxist Leninists.

Marxism-Leninism is actually formulated by Stalin, and thus, Marxism-Leninism is Stalinism. For actual Leninism, the ideology Lenin followed, look up Leninism. It doesn't have a separate wikipedia page for no reason anyhow.

It is Lenins interpretation of Marxism.It was not made by Stalin neither was it altered.

[Yorkopolis]

Marxism-Leninism is actually formulated by Stalin, and thus, Marxism-Leninism is Stalinism. For actual Leninism, the ideology Lenin followed, look up Leninism. It doesn't have a separate wikipedia page for no reason anyhow.

It is Lenins interpretation of Marxism.It was not made by Stalin neither was it altered.

This was Lenin's intepretation of Marxism. See this for further proof that Marxism-Leninism was created after Lenin's death by Stalin.

[CTALNH]

It is Lenins interpretation of Marxism.It was not made by Stalin neither was it altered.

This was Lenin's intepretation of Marxism. See this for further proof that Marxism-Leninism was created after Lenin's death by Stalin.

I disagree!
I say that Leninism and Marxism Leninism is one in the same!

Us it already points out that anti Stalinists and anti Maoists don't seem to agree with us then this tread will never end.