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Should this Planned Parenthood clinic be shut down?

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No
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:46 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote: :palm: That's not how it works, dude.


First we investigate the associates, then Planned "Parenthood" itself.

If we kick up enough dust, everyone will look dirty!
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Postby Gauntleted Fist » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:46 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote: :palm: That's not how it works, dude.


First we investigate the associates, then Planned "Parenthood" itself.

And when it turns out Planned Parenthood has done nothing wrong? Then what? Do you keep up your witch hunt in hopes of finding someone to burn because you hate abortion?

Who am I kidding, of course you do. You don't actually care about wrong doing. You just want to destroy Planned Parenthood because.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:48 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote: :palm: That's not how it works, dude.

First we investigate the associates, then Planned "Parenthood" itself.

:palm: The likelihood of him not having a fuck-up record or a very low one is quite high. Furthermore, the hiring practices of one clinic does not reflect on the organization as a whole; it never has.

Why are you being dishonest and contradictory when it comes to Planned Parenthood?
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Postby Catness » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:49 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:First we investigate the associates, then Planned "Parenthood" itself.

:palm: The likelihood of him not having a fuck-up record or a very low one is quite high. Furthermore, the hiring practices of one clinic does not reflect on the organization as a whole; it never has.

Why are you being dishonest and contradictory when it comes to Planned Parenthood?


Because much like the OP, he wishes to engage in a witch hunt. When have witch hunts ever been reasonable?
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:50 am

Catness wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote: :palm: The likelihood of him not having a fuck-up record or a very low one is quite high. Furthermore, the hiring practices of one clinic does not reflect on the organization as a whole; it never has.

Why are you being dishonest and contradictory when it comes to Planned Parenthood?

Because much like the OP, he wishes to engage in a witch hunt. When have witch hunts ever been reasonable?

I wish they were more intellectually honest.
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Postby Costa Alegria » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:50 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:
First we investigate the associates, then Planned "Parenthood" itself.

If we kick up enough dust, everyone will look dirty!


Or, if one flings enough shit, some of it will stick.
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Postby Catness » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:51 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Catness wrote:Because much like the OP, he wishes to engage in a witch hunt. When have witch hunts ever been reasonable?

I wish they were more intellectually honest.


They won't be, sweetie. Intellectual honesty requires them to truly reason through this. And they have shown that they're incapable of such.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:52 am

Catness wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:I wish they were more intellectually honest.

They won't be, sweetie. Intellectual honesty requires them to truly reason through this. And they have shown that they're incapable of such.

But one can dream Nana, one can dream... dream... *falls asleep* *snores*
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Postby Catness » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:54 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Catness wrote:They won't be, sweetie. Intellectual honesty requires them to truly reason through this. And they have shown that they're incapable of such.

But one can dream Nana, one can dream... dream... *falls asleep* *snores*


Should I cover her with a blanket or not?

For what is worth, Indy, I understand your desire. If people were more intellectually honest, some debates would actually take us somewhere other than the beating of a dead horse.

Alas, perhaps some people aren't ready or incapable of engaging in an honest exchange.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:54 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Why are you being dishonest and contradictory when it comes to Planned Parenthood?

Oh, you know why...
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:56 am

Catness wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:But one can dream Nana, one can dream... dream... *falls asleep* *snores*

Should I cover her with a blanket or not?

For what is worth, Indy, I understand your desire. If people were more intellectually honest, some debates would actually take us somewhere other than the beating of a dead horse.

Alas, perhaps some people aren't ready or incapable of engaging in an honest exchange.

*nods and mumbles* It would be nice... *yawn*... to have a debate... where we... get... somewhere... away from... dead... horses...

Man, it's nearly 2AM. Need sleep.
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:56 am

Gauntleted Fist wrote:
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First we investigate the associates, then Planned "Parenthood" itself.

And when it turns out Planned Parenthood has done nothing wrong? Then what? Do you keep up your witch hunt in hopes of finding someone to burn because you hate abortion?

Who am I kidding, of course you do. You don't actually care about wrong doing. You just want to destroy Planned Parenthood because.

If they didn't do anything wrong procedure-wise, then fine, leave them alone. But you are correct, I do wish to see Planned "Parenthood" burned to the ground.

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Zweite Alaje wrote:First we investigate the associates, then Planned "Parenthood" itself.

:palm: The likelihood of him not having a fuck-up record or a very low one is quite high. Furthermore, the hiring practices of one clinic does not reflect on the organization as a whole; it never has.

Why are you being dishonest and contradictory when it comes to Planned Parenthood?


The clinic reflects on the company's reputation regardless. I'm not being dishonest or contradictory, I simply desire their destruction.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:56 am

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Why are you being dishonest and contradictory when it comes to Planned Parenthood?

Oh, you know why...

Of course I do. So do you. I want him to admit it.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:58 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote: :palm: The likelihood of him not having a fuck-up record or a very low one is quite high. Furthermore, the hiring practices of one clinic does not reflect on the organization as a whole; it never has.

Why are you being dishonest and contradictory when it comes to Planned Parenthood?

The clinic reflects on the company's reputation regardless. I'm not being dishonest or contradictory, I simply desire their destruction.

Which means that you're not going to ever be able to judge them honestly without bias, due to your personal agenda. It's so convenient that the right-wingers ignore the fact that PP provides other services like mammograms and birth control, but then again, the right-wing isn't known for thinking of women as anything more than baby-making kitchen-wrenches.
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Postby Catness » Sat Feb 23, 2013 2:59 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Catness wrote:Should I cover her with a blanket or not?

For what is worth, Indy, I understand your desire. If people were more intellectually honest, some debates would actually take us somewhere other than the beating of a dead horse.

Alas, perhaps some people aren't ready or incapable of engaging in an honest exchange.

*nods and mumbles* It would be nice... *yawn*... to have a debate... where we... get... somewhere... away from... dead... horses...

Man, it's nearly 2AM. Need sleep.


My bed sounds good about now. *yawn* Too sleepy to even laugh at the Pro-life Inquisition.

Good night.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:03 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Cannot think of a name wrote:Oh, you know why...

Of course I do. So do you. I want him to admit it.

I understand that urge...
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:20 am

Individuality-ness wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:The clinic reflects on the company's reputation regardless. I'm not being dishonest or contradictory, I simply desire their destruction.

Which means that you're not going to ever be able to judge them honestly without bias, due to your personal agenda. It's so convenient that the right-wingers ignore the fact that PP provides other services like mammograms and birth control, but then again, the right-wing isn't known for thinking of women as anything more than baby-making kitchen-wrenches.


>says I'm a right winger
>I'm a socialist
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I don't care if they do other things, yay for them, they can do that. I care only about ending their abortions services.
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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:44 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Then why do you assume that the doctor who is being accused in this case has such a record?

Because, I'm hoping someone finally caught Planned "Parenthood" slipping.


Honest of you to admit it. :eyebrow:
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Postby Zweite Alaje » Sat Feb 23, 2013 3:50 am

Ailiailia wrote:
Zweite Alaje wrote:Because, I'm hoping someone finally caught Planned "Parenthood" slipping.


Honest of you to admit it. :eyebrow:

Am I not often honest about my views and desires? :blink:
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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:13 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:
Ailiailia wrote:
Honest of you to admit it. :eyebrow:

Am I not often honest about my views and desires? :blink:


You admit you want there to be substance in the complaint. You want PP to have done something wrong in this case.

Which they probably didn't. I doubt the doctor they employ did anything wrong either. But here's hoping a crime was committed, eh?
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:19 am

Zweite Alaje wrote:I hope her lawsuit will encourage more women to report PP's terrible practices, death to Planned "Parenthood".


If the lawsuit even exists. If there's any actual complaint that would stand up to legal scrutiny.

Neither of which has really been supported yet.

But hey, don't let that get in the way of trotting it out as an argument to satisfy your ideological agenda.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:22 am

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Individuality-ness wrote:No, it's not, but let's presume that she's right and it was the doctor's fault.

Ah, okay. Then in that case, I'm in full agreement with you. The only way a health care establishment should be held in any way accountable for a prover's screw up is if they had significant evidence they shouldn't have hired the person.

Individuality-ness wrote:Actually, no, it was an infection IIRC.

An infection causes by some missed tissue, which happens in about 2% of EVAs.


It's worth pointing out that the 'missed tissue' wasn't really 'missed' - the patient aborted the procedure, against medical advice.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:26 am

Christian Democrats wrote:According to the complaint, they had not started the procedure yet.


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Postby AiliailiA » Sat Feb 23, 2013 4:31 am

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Individuality-ness wrote:Which means that you're not going to ever be able to judge them honestly without bias, due to your personal agenda. It's so convenient that the right-wingers ignore the fact that PP provides other services like mammograms and birth control, but then again, the right-wing isn't known for thinking of women as anything more than baby-making kitchen-wrenches.


>says I'm a right winger
>I'm a socialist
:rofl:

I don't care if they do other things, yay for them, they can do that. I care only about ending their abortions services.


If you support their youth counselling, family counselling and contraception services, then perhaps you could express that support in some other words than "death to Planned Parenthood".

You're posting in a thread started by someone who is personally opposed to contraception, and would if given a chance remove public funding from those functions of PP too.

No wonder you're mistaken for a right winger, if you express your support of government funded contraception in words like "death to Planned Parenthood".
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Grave_n_idle wrote:
Snafturi wrote:Ah, okay. Then in that case, I'm in full agreement with you. The only way a health care establishment should be held in any way accountable for a prover's screw up is if they had significant evidence they shouldn't have hired the person.


An infection causes by some missed tissue, which happens in about 2% of EVAs.


It's worth pointing out that the 'missed tissue' wasn't really 'missed' - the patient aborted the procedure, against medical advice.


She aborted an abortion. A pro-life hero is something to be!
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