Planned Parenthood doctor accused of doing forced abortion

[Individuality-ness]

I hope her lawsuit will encourage more women to report PP's terrible practices, death to Planned "Parenthood".

This lawsuit is stupid and it was the doctor's fault, not Planned Parenthood. He just happened to be associated with PP.

[Zweite Alaje]

I hope her lawsuit will encourage more women to report PP's terrible practices, death to Planned "Parenthood".

This lawsuit is stupid and it was the doctor's fault, not Planned Parenthood. He just happened to be associated with PP.

Too bad, perhaps Planned "Parenthood" should choose its associates more carefully.

[Individuality-ness]

This lawsuit is stupid and it was the doctor's fault, not Planned Parenthood. He just happened to be associated with PP.

Too bad, perhaps Planned "Parenthood" should choose its associates more carefully.

So if a surgeon screws up a heart surgery, the hospital is at fault?

[Desperate Measures]

This lawsuit is stupid and it was the doctor's fault, not Planned Parenthood. He just happened to be associated with PP.

Too bad, perhaps Planned "Parenthood" should choose its associates more carefully.

Planned Parenthood has been doing ok so far.

[Snafturi]

[quote="Christian Democrats";p="13092532"]According to the complaint, they had not started the procedure yet.[quote]
No, according to the complaint they'd already began. According to the complaint, the suction hadn't been turned on yet which isn't done at the beginning of an EVA procedure but well after it's underway.

[Cannot think of a name]

Here's my prediction, for what it's worth. The courts will never see this. PP of wherever won't ever get served with the lawsuit, it will never go to court, the case will never be made. Planned Parenthood, by law and by their own ethic, will never publicly discuss what happened to their patient while in their care unless they're forced to in a court of law-again, a place this will never see.

This story is as developed as it will ever be. A comically bad lawyer (look up Gravlen's posts) made a complaint and gave it to friendly media sources (FOX, pro-life blogs dressed up like news sites) and this story was created. All that was needed, all they were after, is that headline. Then good little soldiers like our intrepid OP go and spread this fiction like wildfire, sprinkling that little headline out wherever they can.

Because it's not the we who see through the completely transparent bullshit that makes up this bullshit story...it's the people who see the headline and take it at face value, it's the good little soldiers who drop this horror story in casual conversation..."Did you know..." "No, I didn't, and since I'm not invested in politics or Planned Parenthood I'm going to now casually accept this dubious story as truth. I always thought PP provided valuable women's health services but if what you say is true..." and this little germ spreads.

What's the worst thing that can happen to this story? Going to court. Where things like 'facts' and shit might get in the way of histrionics. Where if something was indeed done wrong it falls on an individual doctor and not an entire institution.

So there will be no further development, no follow up on this story. It will descend into e-mails from that uncle who forwards shit and dropped as stink bombs in debates over abortion and Planned Parenthood funding. Because no legitimate news agency is following this, so even when it goes nowhere or is dropped or just not even fucking mentioned anymore there won't be much of a headline, just a story that goes away with no answer. Until some pro-life proponent whips it out as their trump card.

Succinctly put.

Still, this BS makes my blood boil a bit. This is the way misinformation spreads. But I can rest easy, I suppose, because perhaps what you predict will happen. This will stay relegated to emails and the boogeyman stories that sometimes you hear some people tell and no one with a shred of intelligence will buy it.

Well, there's the rub, unfortunately. Because there are reasonably intelligent people who are not invested in the fight, who aren't going to be so inclined to look this shit up, who will have this bomb dropped on them and then will carry it like a virus to their other uninvolved friends.

Because that's the battle. If you're engaged you'll either read this story and see it for the bullshit it is or you'll buy it as part of the narrative you've been trying to sell about abortion (or realize it's bullshit but spread it anyway because you're intellectually dishonest...six of one...)...and like a shitty game of Hungry Hungry Hippos, the battle is for those who just don't give a shit. Whose don't follow these stories, who at best maybe watch the evening news every other week when they can't find the remote. They're not dumb, they just aren't engaged. And they are the prize. They are the ones that believe that a woman was able to sue McDonald's because coffee was hot, that Al Gore thinks he invented the internet...and will eventually believe (unless they're told otherwise) that Planned Parenthood forces abortions on people.

In essence, the damage this story is meant to do is done. Unless people follow up on it, correct the record, play for those loose marbles.

[Snafturi]

I hope her lawsuit will encourage more women to report PP's terrible practices, death to Planned "Parenthood".

This lawsuit is stupid and it was the doctor's fault, not Planned Parenthood. He just happened to be associated with PP.

A patient having a common side effect from a procedure isn't the doctor's screw up.

[Zweite Alaje]

Too bad, perhaps Planned "Parenthood" should choose its associates more carefully.

So if a surgeon screws up a heart surgery, the hospital is at fault?

Both are.

Too bad, perhaps Planned "Parenthood" should choose its associates more carefully.

Planned Parenthood has been doing ok so far.

That's nice.

[Individuality-ness]

This lawsuit is stupid and it was the doctor's fault, not Planned Parenthood. He just happened to be associated with PP.

A patient having a common side effect from a procedure isn't the doctor's screw up.

No, it's not, but let's presume that she's right and it was the doctor's fault.

So if a surgeon screws up a heart surgery, the hospital is at fault?

Both are.

Then you agree that it's the doctor's fault, assuming that her claims are true.

Would you argue that the hospital should not have hired said surgeon because "they should have known better"?

[Desperate Measures]

This lawsuit is stupid and it was the doctor's fault, not Planned Parenthood. He just happened to be associated with PP.

A patient having a common side effect from a procedure isn't the doctor's screw up.

Is the common side effect... no longer having a baby?

[Individuality-ness]

A patient having a common side effect from a procedure isn't the doctor's screw up.

Is the common side effect... no longer having a baby?

Actually, no, it was an infection IIRC.

[Catness]

Succinctly put.

Still, this BS makes my blood boil a bit. This is the way misinformation spreads. But I can rest easy, I suppose, because perhaps what you predict will happen. This will stay relegated to emails and the boogeyman stories that sometimes you hear some people tell and no one with a shred of intelligence will buy it.

Well, there's the rub, unfortunately. Because there are reasonably intelligent people who are not invested in the fight, who aren't going to be so inclined to look this shit up, who will have this bomb dropped on them and then will carry it like a virus to their other uninvolved friends.

Because that's the battle. If you're engaged you'll either read this story and see it for the bullshit it is or you'll buy it as part of the narrative you've been trying to sell about abortion (or realize it's bullshit but spread it anyway because you're intellectually dishonest...six of one...)...and like a shitty game of Hungry Hungry Hippos, the battle is for those who just don't give a shit. Whose don't follow these stories, who at best maybe watch the evening news every other week when they can't find the remote. They're not dumb, they just aren't engaged. And they are the prize. They are the ones that believe that a woman was able to sue McDonald's because coffee was hot, that Al Gore thinks he invented the internet...and will eventually believe (unless they're told otherwise) that Planned Parenthood forces abortions on people.

In essence, the damage this story is meant to do is done. Unless people follow up on it, correct the record, play for those loose marbles.

Seriously. One read through the story shows this is bullshit. If someone who's intelligent buys it, I would seriously doubt about their intelligence.

However, I do understand what you mean. Those who are uninvolved may believe this or just spread it around for the fuck of it because they don't give a damn. So how do we go on about setting the record straight so that childish logic like the one in the OP doesn't become the 'truth'? Follow this up, let people know this is BS, help them understand what PP really does and not what bias like the one in the OP says it does?

[Snafturi]

No, it's not, but let's presume that she's right and it was the doctor's fault.

Ah, okay. Then in that case, I'm in full agreement with you. The only way a health care establishment should be held in any way accountable for a prover's screw up is if they had significant evidence they shouldn't have hired the person.

Is the common side effect... no longer having a baby?

Actually, no, it was an infection IIRC.

An infection causes by some missed tissue, which happens in about 2% of EVAs.

[I Want to Smash Them All]

*snip* Apparently, Planned Parenthood is now in the business of performing forced abortions. A woman went to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado, seeking an abortion on the condition that she be anesthetized. The clinic, for whatever reason, did not anesthetize her; yet the abortionist, against the woman's will, proceeded to perform the procedure anyway. And, on top of all that, he botched the surgery and almost killed the woman. Now, the woman is going to court. She accuses Planned Parenthood of:

Negligence
Battery
Uninformed consent
False imprisonment
Extreme and Outrageous Conduct – Emotional Distress
Breach of Fiduciary Duty
Breach of Contract

http://www.adfmedia.org/files/ByerComplaint.pdf

The woman went to a Planned Parenthood clinic in Colorado Springs, seeking an abortion. On the operating table, she had a change of heart "and explained [to the doctor and his assistants] that she did not want to go through with the procedure." Then, the doctor "began the abortion process against her will." The woman "refrained from leaving during the surgical procedure due to fear for her safety."

According to the complaint, "the Plaintiff sustained severe injuries." For the next two days, she suffered from severe pain and bleeding. She went to the emergency room, where the medical staff informed her that "she needed an emergency D&C because the Planned Parenthood doctor failed to finish the abortion procedure and had left particles of the fetus inside [the] Plaintiff's body that had caused an infection." After waiting four hours, she went into emergency surgery. She was released from the hospital a few days later.

Elective abortions are bad enough, but now it seems that Planned Parenthood is taking its war on the unborn up another level.

A Planned Parenthood doctor forced a woman to undergo an abortion without anesthesia and then botched the procedure leaving her to seek treatment at a nearby hospital, according to a lawsuit filed in a Colorado court. An emergency room doctor later discovered parts of the baby’s body had been left inside the woman’s womb.

Ayanna Byer, 40, filed the lawsuit, at the prompting of the emergency room doctor who treated her two days after the botched abortion.

Byers had gone to the emergency room after Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains advised her that they did not offer follow-up care for post-abortion complications, the lawsuit alleges.

Dr. Steven Foley accused Planned Parenthood of abandoning Byer in the aftermath of the abortion.

“It is not acceptable to refer your patients to the emergency department and assume the on-call doctor will take care of any complications and assume all the risk associated with the complications,” Foley wrote in a certified review of the incident.

“No practicing physician can maintain privileges to practice and perform surgery if they do not provide specific coverage for their patients in case of a complication,” he wrote. “It is considered abandonment of your patient.”

Byer is represented by the Alliance Defending Freedom. They said she changed her mind about the abortion after Planned Parenthood could not provide her with the agreed-upon intravenous anesthesia. They allege the doctor proceeded with the abortion anyway.

“A woman’s life is more important than Planned Parenthood’s bottom line,” ADF attorney Doug Romero said. “What Planned Parenthood did to Ayanna is beyond the pale. They clearly put her through extraordinary cruelty and jeopardized her life. Their actions were intolerable.”

A Planned Parenthood of the Rocky Mountains spokesperson told Fox News they have not been served with the lawsuit – and would not comment.

ADF alleges that the abortion doctor began the procedure while Byer was fully awake – without any anesthesia.

The court documents state the doctor turned on the vacuum machines and told Byer it was too late to stop the abortion.

“Is this the type of organization American taxpayers should be funding to the tune of $540 million per year?” said ADF senior counsel Michael Norton. “Planned Parenthood is irresponsible and only promotes its own self-interest. That was clearly seen most vividly in what they did to Ayanna.”

According to the emergency room doctor, Byer arrived in “septic with a high fever and elevated white blood count. She required immediate high-risk surgery to remove the remaining body parts – left behind by Planned Parenthood.

“Because of the continued pain and heavy bleeding, I was concerned the patient might have had an ectopic pregnancy, he wrote in a statement.

The doctor called Planned Parenthood and asked about pathology reports on Byer – but he was told they don’t do pathology reports on abortion patients.

Norton told Fox News that if it hadn’t been for the emergency room doctor’s intervention they might not have heard about the incident.

“He was mortified and horrified at what he found,” he said. “He thought the abortionist should be held accountable for patient abandonment.”

Byer left the hospital four days after her surgery.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/lawsuit-planned-parenthood-left-dismembered-baby-in-woman.html

The only thing you are proving here is your own lack of credibility.

1. Neither Planned Parenthood Federation of America or the Planned Parenthood Action Fund (whose logo who posted) are named in the complaint, alleged to have done anything wrong therein, or alleged therein to be in anyway liable for anything asserted to have happened to Ms. Byer.

2. These are merely allegations made in a complaint filed in state court against one unnamed doctor and one of 33 clinics operated by one of 74 independent affiliates of Planned Parenthood. There is no reason to believe these allegations are any more true than those made in thousands upon thousands of complaints filed in courts and dismissed as without merit across the country every year.

3. Even the complaint written by the ultraconservative (borderline insane) Alliance Defending Freedom does not allege what you said it does. If they could have asserted more without violating their legal duties, they would have done so. (Also the complaint does not say the inflammatory and ideology claims ADF representatives are willing to make outside the confines of a legal pleading) You have snipped bits and pieces of the compliant and rearranged them. You have also blatantly ignored inconvenient statements in the complaint, used language not in the complaint, and mischaracterized the pleadings.

4. Nowhere does the complaint allege the plaintiff was forced to have an abortion. To the contrary, none of the causes of action are for such wrongdoing. The closest is the battery claim (which still does not contain any actual allegation of forced or involuntary abortion), but it is based only on questionable legal theories applied to (even in the context of the complaint) selective facts to assert that, during the procedure, the plaintiff withdrew her consent or (in the alternative) her consent was contingent on receiving anesthetic. These are not claims that she was forced to have an abortion. At most, there is some stray language that is (tellingly) extraneous to the claims and you choose to characterize in a misleading manner.

5. Throughout the complaint, claims are made that contradict any assertion this cause involves even the allegation of a forced abortion. The cause of action for negligence in performing the abortion (and that facts alleged in support thereof) directly contradict(s) assertions that any "forced" abortion was performed. Similarly, the claim of uniformed consent -- based entirely on the contingency of anesthetic -- contradicts such an assertion. The claims for breach of fiduciary duty and breach of contract are premised on the abortion being voluntary.

6. With the exception of the false imprisonment claim, none of the claims (including the battery claim which requires this element) are based on or allege intentional misconduct. To the contrary, it is repeatedly alleged that the defendants acted negligently (and once recklessly) in performing the abortion in question. The false imprisonment claim only alleges that the defendants "intended to restrict the Plaintiff's freedom of movement" while preforming the abortion the plaintiff had requested, paid for, and consented to.

In sum, you should stop making blatantly false, hysterical, and self-serving assertions. You are doing yourself and your "cause" no favors.

[Individuality-ness]

No, it's not, but let's presume that she's right and it was the doctor's fault.

Ah, okay. Then in that case, I'm in full agreement with you. The only way a health care establishment should be held in any way accountable for a prover's screw up is if they had significant evidence they shouldn't have hired the person.

Which in this case, as far as we know, there really isn't any significant evidence that that was the case.

[Zweite Alaje]

A patient having a common side effect from a procedure isn't the doctor's screw up.

No, it's not, but let's presume that she's right and it was the doctor's fault.

Both are.

Then you agree that it's the doctor's fault, assuming that her claims are true.

Would you argue that the hospital should not have hired said surgeon because "they should have known better"?

Well, not exactly. We'd have to know his prior fuck up record.

[Individuality-ness]

Then you agree that it's the doctor's fault, assuming that her claims are true.

Would you argue that the hospital should not have hired said surgeon because "they should have known better"?

Well, not exactly. We'd have to know his prior fuck up record.

Then why do you assume that the doctor who is being accused in this case has such a record?

[Costa Alegria]

Oh for fuck's sake. Just do the great American tradition of suing any motherfucker that makes one mistake for all the money he, his family and his grandchildren will have. Get this shit over and done with so braindead religious quacks don't get a foothold for their medieval controlling views to be heard by anyone else other than more braindead religious quacks who think some fuckers writing about their experiences halucinating in a desert somewhere says that killing babies is evil. Apparently.

Also, if she willingly walked into an abortion clinic to get rid of something that could have easily been taken cared by using a fucking condom or other shit the Vatican considers to be sinful, it's not fucking forced.

[Snafturi]

Ah, okay. Then in that case, I'm in full agreement with you. The only way a health care establishment should be held in any way accountable for a prover's screw up is if they had significant evidence they shouldn't have hired the person.

Which in this case, as far as we know, there really isn't any significant evidence that that was the case.

Bear in mind that the lawyer who filed the complaint didn't think it was relevant to include either the name of the abortion procedure or the specific type of anesthesia the patient was promised, even if he had solid proof the doctor was Hannibal Lecter, he probably wouldn't find it relevant to mention.

Edit for oddest typo ever...

[Individuality-ness]

Which in this case, as far as we know, there really isn't any significant evidence that that was the case.

Bear in mind that the lawyer who filed the complaint didn't think it was relevant to include either the name of the abortion procedure or the specific type of anesthesia the patient was promised, even if he had solid proof the doctor was Hannibal Lecter, he probably wouldn't find it relevant to mention.

Edit for oddest typo ever...

Obviously, why would that be important if the end goal is to make PP seem like a faceless group of baby-killers?

[Snafturi]

Bear in mind that the lawyer who filed the complaint didn't think it was relevant to include either the name of the abortion procedure or the specific type of anesthesia the patient was promised, even if he had solid proof the doctor was Hannibal Lecter, he probably wouldn't find it relevant to mention.

Edit for oddest typo ever...

Obviously, why would that be important if the end goal is to make PP seem like a faceless group of baby-killers?

Because obviously PPH only employs doctors who would pass an interview conducted by Joseph Mengele.

Why go about stating the obvious?

[Zweite Alaje]

Well, not exactly. We'd have to know his prior fuck up record.

Then why do you assume that the doctor who is being accused in this case has such a record?

Because, I'm hoping someone finally caught Planned "Parenthood" slipping.

[Individuality-ness]

Then why do you assume that the doctor who is being accused in this case has such a record?

Because, I'm hoping someone finally caught Planned "Parenthood" slipping.

That's not how it works, dude.

[Cannot think of a name]

Well, there's the rub, unfortunately. Because there are reasonably intelligent people who are not invested in the fight, who aren't going to be so inclined to look this shit up, who will have this bomb dropped on them and then will carry it like a virus to their other uninvolved friends.

Because that's the battle. If you're engaged you'll either read this story and see it for the bullshit it is or you'll buy it as part of the narrative you've been trying to sell about abortion (or realize it's bullshit but spread it anyway because you're intellectually dishonest...six of one...)...and like a shitty game of Hungry Hungry Hippos, the battle is for those who just don't give a shit. Whose don't follow these stories, who at best maybe watch the evening news every other week when they can't find the remote. They're not dumb, they just aren't engaged. And they are the prize. They are the ones that believe that a woman was able to sue McDonald's because coffee was hot, that Al Gore thinks he invented the internet...and will eventually believe (unless they're told otherwise) that Planned Parenthood forces abortions on people.

In essence, the damage this story is meant to do is done. Unless people follow up on it, correct the record, play for those loose marbles.

Seriously. One read through the story shows this is bullshit. If someone who's intelligent buys it, I would seriously doubt about their intelligence.

Well, that's the thing, they won't read it. Just like they never read the coffee story or look up the Al Gore quote.

However, I do understand what you mean. Those who are uninvolved may believe this or just spread it around for the fuck of it because they don't give a damn. So how do we go on about setting the record straight so that childish logic like the one in the OP doesn't become the 'truth'? Follow this up, let people know this is BS, help them understand what PP really does and not what bias like the one in the OP says it does?

Pretty much, yeah. Scramble for those marbles.

[Zweite Alaje]

Because, I'm hoping someone finally caught Planned "Parenthood" slipping.

That's not how it works, dude.

First we investigate the associates, then Planned "Parenthood" itself.