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A Horse is a Horse, and a main course, of course....

....but we shouldn't eat horse.
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....Tainted Beef, oooooooooooooh, Tainted Beef.....
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....If David Hasselhoff eats horses, why shouldn't we?
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Postby Minoriteeburg » Wed Feb 20, 2013 6:58 pm

Where's the beef? Horse meat scam taints European food industries

Source: http://www.latimes.com/news/world/worldnow/la-fg-wn-horse-meat-for-beef-scandal-europe-20130219,0,5367847.story


Not since an outbreak of mad cow disease a dozen years ago have Europe’s food industries been embroiled in a crisis the likes of this past month’s discovery of horse meat masquerading as beef in prepared-food entrees sold across the continent.

The controversy over mislabeled meat in millions of frozen dinners, pastas, stews, goulashes and chilis took a turn for the worse this week when Nestle, the world’s largest food company, found horse DNA in some of its products. And testing of meals yanked from store shelves and freezers in Britain and Germany has turned up traces of phenylbutazone, commonly known as bute, a powerful equine painkiller deemed harmful to humans.

The scandal erupted last month when Irish food safety authorities found horse meat in frozen burgers labeled as pure beef. It has since spread to 13 other countries and forced authorities to recall billions of dollars' worth of products for testing and disposal.

“Burgergate” has also highlighted the labyrinthine route that food travels from farm to table. Horse meat from a Romanian slaughterhouse was accurately labeled when it was exported to French meat processor Spanghero through a Cypriot middleman, but it acquired the beef label before being sent to a Luxembourg subsidiary that produced frozen dinners for supermarkets in Britain, Spain, Germany and Scandinavia.

In the case of Swiss-based Nestle, mislabeled Buitoni-brand pasta products have so far been found in Spain, Italy and France.


I am sure many of you have heard about this, and I was wondering what your take on this is. Especially those who live in Europe. What do you think of Burgergate?

I have some mixed feelings about this. I personally wouldn't care about eating horse meat (even though I have never eaten it before), i bet it would taste a lot like deer, especially in the texture. I can see why many people would be offended by this, especially horse owners, and horse enthusiasts. People can say it's like eating cat, or dog because many people have horses as pets. I personally don't see them as such (although I am against eating cat or dog, because I have had both as pets, double standard I guess.) and would actually try eating horse. But, I don't like that they didn't specify that it was in the beef in the first place.

I believe that all the ingredients in a product should be listed on the package, or if it's a situation like a deli, the person working there should tell you if your beef contains another kind of meat product. I dunno that's just me.

So what do you think of this scandal NSG?


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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:05 pm

I have no problem with people serving and eating horse. But serving it up and calling it beef? Neigh.

Edit: Tainted Beef would make a good band name.
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Postby Maurepas » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:05 pm

Well, I think the real issue is the lying about it. You can't just label something "Beef" and it come out as something other than 100% Beef.

The companies involved should be fined heavily and whatever FDA equivalent Europe has should be much more thoroughly involved in the meat industry.

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Postby NERVUN » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:05 pm

Love horse, don't see a problem except in false advertisement.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:06 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I have no problem with people serving and eating horse. But serving it up and calling it beef? Neigh.


This.
Also, there are different health-checks needed for horse meat. We got lucky that there wasn't an outbreak of something, like cutie pox.
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Postby Warinemachine » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:07 pm

also which you migth not have mentioned in OP the horses are killed possibly by tranquilizer. we don't know how these horses lived.

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Postby Minoriteeburg » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:07 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I have no problem with people serving and eating horse. But serving it up and calling it beef? Neigh.

Edit: Tainted Beef would make a good band name.



I thought the same thing right after I typed it as a poll option.
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Postby Lunatic Goofballs » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:07 pm

NERVUN wrote:Love horse, don't see a problem except in false advertisement.


The idea of eating horse gives some people long faces.


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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:07 pm

I don't care which animal 1% of my meat comes from, I'd just like to be notified.

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Postby Avenio » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:08 pm

NERVUN wrote:Love horse, don't see a problem except in false advertisement.


Well, there was a concern early on about the horsemeat being contaminated with all sorts of drugs used in the commercial raising of horses that aren't particularly safe for human consumption, so that's a bit of a concern. I mean, it's one thing to eat horse that has been specifically raised to be eaten and it's another thing to eat horse that was simply killed and added to the meat as a filler or something.

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Postby Minoriteeburg » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:08 pm

Maurepas wrote:Well, I think the real issue is the lying about it. You can't just label something "Beef" and it come out as something other than 100% Beef.

The companies involved should be fined heavily and whatever FDA equivalent Europe has should be much more thoroughly involved in the meat industry.



I agree, but I wanted peoples views on the scandal, as well as what they thought about eating horse meat.
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Postby The Golden Circle States » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:09 pm

I am sorry but I must move with my emotions.

Personally I love horses but not for eating.

They are meant to be for riding and taken care of.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:09 pm

Also, non-halal and non-kosher meat has been sold pretending to be halal/kosher too.

The entire affair is actually pretty funny, but only because no-one got hurt.
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Postby Oshawottistan » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:09 pm

What's with the incessant obsession with David Hasselhoff?

And I don't really have a problem with horse meat. Unless it's in my 'beef'.

Also, Soylent Green is PEOPLE!
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Postby Genivaria » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:09 pm

Lunatic Goofballs wrote:I have no problem with people serving and eating horse. But serving it up and calling it beef? Neigh.

Edit: Tainted Beef would make a good band name.

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Postby Lamassu » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:09 pm

I'd like to know what horse tastes like.
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Postby Frisivisia » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:09 pm

The Golden Circle States wrote:I am sorry but I must move with my emotions.

Personally I love horses but not for eating.

They are meant to be for riding and taken care of.

I can say the same thing about cows, and that won't change a thing either.
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Postby The Serbian Empire » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:10 pm

Warinemachine wrote:also which you migth not have mentioned in OP the horses are killed possibly by tranquilizer. we don't know how these horses lived.

I suspect horse racing is the source of the horse meat.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:10 pm

When I go to Germany for the summer, I hope the fleisch I'm eating won't have any horse in it.

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Postby Kushtor » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:10 pm

If they're not being honest about the meat in their food, it's likely that the animals from which it is obtained are raised poorly.
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Postby Maurepas » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:10 pm

Minoriteeburg wrote:
Maurepas wrote:Well, I think the real issue is the lying about it. You can't just label something "Beef" and it come out as something other than 100% Beef.

The companies involved should be fined heavily and whatever FDA equivalent Europe has should be much more thoroughly involved in the meat industry.



I agree, but I wanted peoples views on the scandal, as well as what they thought about eating horse meat.

Hey, eat what you want as far as I'm concerned, I believe it's a delicacy in some parts. Not for me though, I'm even really picky about my Venison to really do horse meat. It has to be prepared just right so it doesn't taste gamey.

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Postby DesAnges » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:11 pm

If I ate some and didn't know about it, I obviously enjoyed it.

No, the problem lies with false advertising and the slim possibility that the meat contained one or more of the hormones or steroids that are either toxic or carcinogenic.
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Postby Warinemachine » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:12 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:Also, non-halal and non-kosher meat has been sold pretending to be halal/kosher too.

The entire affair is actually pretty funny, but only because no-one got hurt.

Iffy statement. Horses have been disapearing from records and more importantly: Maybe the horses were killed with tranquilizer.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Wed Feb 20, 2013 7:13 pm

Obviously the right thing to do is to review their files (The supermarkets.), see exactly how much of the product they sold, and confiscate 100% of the money they received from it for public use.
What, some of it went on upkeep? Not our problem, I'd recommend you find out where that meat came from pretty quickly and sue them for damages assholes.
After all, if we give the private industries an incentive to go looking for answers they'll sure as shit find them.
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