Russia and Monarchy

[Kingdom Brittania]

Should Russia be a monarchical country again?

[North Suran]

An impossibility, what with the Imperial Family having been massacred and the legacy of ineptitude left behind by the last monarch.

[Weylara]

Meh. Better than communist.

[Tubbsalot]

Hah, no... what a ridiculous method of government for someone to pine for.

[Portiria]

An impossibility, what with the Imperial Family having been massacred and the legacy of ineptitude left behind by the last monarch.

Grand Duchess Olga, sister of Tsar Nicholas survived. She died in 1960 and had several children.

No, I do not think Russia should become a monarchy again. The Russian Revolution was a great step forward, it only started going downhill and undemocratic due to the fact that it was isolated, and had been attacked from all sides and gone through a terrible civil war.

[Gauntleted Fist]

An impossibility, what with the Imperial Family having been massacred and the legacy of ineptitude left behind by the last monarch.

IIRC, there are still some Imperial Family members alive.

[Dashret]

Actually the Romanov family is still around, although who exactly has claim to the title of Emperor is disputed...

Regardless, the Romanov tsars tended to be either megalomaniacs, reactionaries, insane, or any combination of those three. Much like the Soviet Union, anybody who doesn't miss the time of the Tsars has no heart, and anybody who wants that time back has no brain.


@Portiria
I would, personally, call it more of a Great Leap Forward, myself

[South Lorenya]

No offense to Nicholas Romanovich Romanov, but what makes you think that he'd be better than a [western-style] president who has to be good because he can get kicked out of office by disgruntled voters?

[Kingdom Brittania]

But some part of the government of Russia is still controlled by some Communists, who have done more violence than the Tsar and His Family did, and why should a "democratic" or "liberalistic" policy of the Communist should ever do a violence to kill the Tsar's Family with some of its members are innocent. The Russian Communists have no heart at all. They should have them exiled, Tsar Nicholas II agreed to make the country a democratic country with his abdication.

[Portiria]

if Russia become a Tsarist monarchy again that will just be too much for me to handle ,lol.

I am sure that they would try to re-take Alaska by force. There are some far-right people in Russia who want to do that, even though it was Russia who sold the land (personally, I think neither Russia or the US had any right to it, but such was the age of colonialism).

[Kingdom Brittania]

I am talking about a constitutional monarchy.

[Kingdom Brittania]

An impossibility, what with the Imperial Family having been massacred and the legacy of ineptitude left behind by the last monarch.

IIRC, there are still some Imperial Family members alive.

Yes indeed its true.

[Dashret]

No offense to Nicholas Romanovich Romanov, but what makes you think that he'd be better than a [western-style] president who has to be good because he can get kicked out of office by disgruntled voters?

To be fair, Nicky's term in office was bad due to terrible luck just as much as his own policies. If he and Alex III had been switched the Russian Revolution might've ended up coming sooner.

Really, Nicky gets a bad rap, but from what I know he really wasn't that bad a guy, or as dumb as people make him out to be.

[Portiria]

But some part of the government of Russia is still controlled by some Communists, who have done more violence than the Tsar and His Family did, and why should a "democratic" or "liberalistic" policy of the Communist should ever do a violence to kill the Tsar's Family with some of its members are innocent. The Russian Communists have no heart at all. They should have them exiled, Tsar Nicholas II agreed to make the country a democratic country with his abdication.

Tsar Nicholas II was a rabid anti-Semite who would have allied with the Nazis had he not been shot.

I don't condone the deaths of the more innocent members of the family. It was like when Marie Antoinette was beheaded. Both situations represented excesses.

Ever heard of the 1905 massacre? Peaceful demonstrators were gunned down by the Imperial Guard. Is it any surprise they decided to take it out on the entire royal family? They did not want any successors to bring back the Tsarist regime.

[Kingdom Brittania]

But some part of the government of Russia is still controlled by some Communists, who have done more violence than the Tsar and His Family did, and why should a "democratic" or "liberalistic" policy of the Communist should ever do a violence to kill the Tsar's Family with some of its members are innocent. The Russian Communists have no heart at all. They should have them exiled, Tsar Nicholas II agreed to make the country a democratic country with his abdication.

Tsar Nicholas II was a rabid anti-Semite who would have allied with the Nazis had he not been shot.

I don't condone the deaths of the more innocent members of the family. It was like when Marie Antoinette was beheaded. Both situations represented excesses.

Ever heard of the 1905 massacre? Peaceful demonstrators were gunned down by the Imperial Guard. Is it any surprise they decided to take it out on the entire royal family? They did not want any successors to bring back the Tsarist regime.

The Tsar didn't order for a violent reaction, he only asked the Imperial Guard to disperse them, and also the Tsar is not at that time focus on government, which he places a temporary command to some other people.

[Blouman Empire]

Tsar Nicholas II was a rabid anti-Semite who would have allied with the Nazis had he not been shot.

Russia would never have been invaded by Hitler had the Tsar still been in power, regardless of wether it was Nicholas II or his son. But what was the point of bringing this in?

[Kingdom Brittania]

Tsar Nicholas II was a rabid anti-Semite who would have allied with the Nazis had he not been shot.

Russia would never have been invaded by Hitler had the Tsar still been in power, regardless of wether it was Nicholas II or his son. But what was the point of bringing this in?

True. he Russian Communists have signed a Non-Aggression Pact with Hitler, and why should Tsarist Russia allied with their enemy?

[Blouman Empire]

Tsar Nicholas II was a rabid anti-Semite who would have allied with the Nazis had he not been shot.

Russia would never have been invaded by Hitler had the Tsar still been in power, regardless of wether it was Nicholas II or his son. But what was the point of bringing this in?

True. he Russian Communists have signed a Non-Aggression Pact with Hitler, and why should Tsarist Russia allied with their enemy?

No you don't get my point, the USSR didn't sign the treaty with Hitler till well after the revolution. Hitler invaded Russia basically because they were ran by communists an ideology he was against, had the revolution not happened or was not successful, there would be no communist nation to attack.

[Kingdom Brittania]

Tsar Nicholas II was a rabid anti-Semite who would have allied with the Nazis had he not been shot.

Russia would never have been invaded by Hitler had the Tsar still been in power, regardless of wether it was Nicholas II or his son. But what was the point of bringing this in?

True. he Russian Communists have signed a Non-Aggression Pact with Hitler, and why should Tsarist Russia allied with their enemy?

No you don't get my point, the USSR didn't sign the treaty with Hitler till well after the revolution. Hitler invaded Russia basically because they were ran by communists an ideology he was against, had the revolution not happened or was not successful, there would be no communist nation to attack.

Russia and Germany signed the Non-Aggression Pact in 1939, yes sorry.

[Kingdom Brittania]

The only reason why Tsar Nicholas II have not ruled the country effectively, is due to his focus it not on governinng but on taking care of his only son Tsarevich Alexei Nicolajevich Romabov, due to his disease of hemophilia.

And why did Russian Revolutionaries killed Alexander III "I think" which should be the most beloved tsar because his policies is toward liberalizing Russia.

[Whiskey Hill]

Tsar Nicholas II was a rabid anti-Semite who would have allied with the Nazis had he not been shot.

Russia would never have been invaded by Hitler had the Tsar still been in power, regardless of wether it was Nicholas II or his son. But what was the point of bringing this in?

True. he Russian Communists have signed a Non-Aggression Pact with Hitler, and why should Tsarist Russia allied with their enemy?

No you don't get my point, the USSR didn't sign the treaty with Hitler till well after the revolution. Hitler invaded Russia basically because they were ran by communists an ideology he was against, had the revolution not happened or was not successful, there would be no communist nation to attack.

Hitler's views on Russia were more complex than merely being anti-communist. IMHO he would have invaded Russia under any circumstances.

[Kingdom Brittania]

Tsar Nicholas II was a rabid anti-Semite who would have allied with the Nazis had he not been shot.

Russia would never have been invaded by Hitler had the Tsar still been in power, regardless of wether it was Nicholas II or his son. But what was the point of bringing this in?

True. he Russian Communists have signed a Non-Aggression Pact with Hitler, and why should Tsarist Russia allied with their enemy?

No you don't get my point, the USSR didn't sign the treaty with Hitler till well after the revolution. Hitler invaded Russia basically because they were ran by communists an ideology he was against, had the revolution not happened or was not successful, there would be no communist nation to attack.

Hitler's views on Russia were more complex than merely being anti-communist. IMHO he would have invaded Russia under any circumstances.

No it is not "on some points". If Russia is still a Tsarist State, Russia would support the disarmament of Germany.

[Whiskey Hill]

No it is not "on some points". If Russia is still a Tsarist State, Russia would support the disarmament of Germany.

? You're not quoting me. Anyway, everyone supported the disarmament of Germany. Didn't stop them from rearming.

[The Archregimancy]

While not disputing the fact that poor Nicholas II was out of his depth, I think those of you tempted to use his undoubted incompetence as a natural disqualifier for a return of the Romanovs ignore that he's now a canonised Russian Orthodox saint - along with his wife Alexandra and all his children. Though the canonisation was - and is - far from uncontroversial, even within the Church, this is not something that typically happens to a universally reviled historical figure. We had the relics of Alexandra's sister St. Elizabeth (who was also simultaneously Nicholas II's aunt by marriage; royal in-breeding....) - along with her retainer St. Barbara - stop by our church recently, so the Romanov family relics are actively doing the rounds of Moscow Patriarchate churches, even outside Russia.

But there are any number of reasons why there will be no return to monarchy in Russia, including, but not limited to:

- Putin would never allow it
- There's no sign of any appetite among Russians (except perhaps for a weird minority fringe of often apocalyptic traditionalists)
- There are two competing claimants

Even if it was desirable - which I doubt - restoration is simply not feasible


Incidentally, those two claimants are:

1) Maria Romanov - granddaughter of the Grand Duke Cyril, who was the senior survivor of the House of Romanov following the execution of other members of the family during the revolution.

2) Nicholas Romanov - a great-great-grandson of Nicholas I, and the senior descendant of the House of Romanov if Maria is disqualified.

Under House rules, Maria may be disqualified by the marriage of her father Vladimir to a member of the Georgian House of Bagrationi. House rules forbid marriagies with 'rank disparity'; in other words, a Grand Duke must only marry a woman of royal rank. While the Bagrationis were the ruling House of Georgia until 1801, Maria's mother was from a cadet branch that hadn't ruled in its own right since the early 16th century, and was legally considered lesser Russian nobility under the Tsars. Therefore Nicholas claims that Maria's parents had a morganatic marriage as a result of rank disparity, and that Maria can't be heir to the throne.

Maria's supporters point out in turn that Nicholas' mother wasn't from a royal house either. Nicholas responds that his father was only a Prince, not a Grand Duke (only sons and grandsons of a Tsar are full Grand Dukes, a title which outranks a mere Prince), and that Romanov house rules do not require a Prince to marry royalty, and that no one in his line of the family has broken the marriage rules, and he can therefore inherit despite not having a royal mother.

Which, to be honest, is all - to quote Shakespeare - so much sound and fury signifying nothing, an empty arcane academic debate by the rank-obsessed over the rights to a title that will never be restored.

[Kingdom Brittania]

No it is not "on some points". If Russia is still a Tsarist State, Russia would support the disarmament of Germany.

? You're not quoting me. Anyway, everyone supported the disarmament of Germany. Didn't stop them from rearming.

True, but they could have prevented it, if Russia take over the government of Germany.