Republican vs Conservative vs Democrat

[Sibirsky]

I hope that American voters won't be stupid enough to go back to conservatives just because Obama hasn't made all their wishes come true in his first six months. He's not perfect, but he's accomplished quite a bit, and people are expecting too much of him.

If conservatism makes a real comeback, America's economy, reputation, and standards for human rights will likely collapse. Not that I expect a conservative comeback to be widespread or long term.

he is a socialist moron. im not even american and i can see hes undermining the core values america was built on.

Rich people not wanting to pay taxes, and successfully manipulating the discourse to make it look like the majority of the population shared that view?

Rich people pay their fair share.

[Xsyne]

I hope that American voters won't be stupid enough to go back to conservatives just because Obama hasn't made all their wishes come true in his first six months. He's not perfect, but he's accomplished quite a bit, and people are expecting too much of him.

If conservatism makes a real comeback, America's economy, reputation, and standards for human rights will likely collapse. Not that I expect a conservative comeback to be widespread or long term.

he is a socialist moron. im not even american and i can see hes undermining the core values america was built on.
giant step in the wrong direction.

Correct. Nothing Obama has done to change America has anything to do with the way America was designed to be. Giant step in the wrong direction indeed.

America was designed for the express purpose of maintaining the institution of slavery, preventing anyone other than the rich from having a voice in the government, and executing one of the largest genocides the world has ever seen.

[Sibirsky]

I hope that American voters won't be stupid enough to go back to conservatives just because Obama hasn't made all their wishes come true in his first six months. He's not perfect, but he's accomplished quite a bit, and people are expecting too much of him.

If conservatism makes a real comeback, America's economy, reputation, and standards for human rights will likely collapse. Not that I expect a conservative comeback to be widespread or long term.

he is a socialist moron. im not even american and i can see hes undermining the core values america was built on.
giant step in the wrong direction.

Correct. Nothing Obama has done to change America has anything to do with the way America was designed to be. Giant step in the wrong direction indeed.

America was designed for the express purpose of maintaining the institution of slavery, preventing anyone other than the rich from having a voice in the government, and executing one of the largest genocides the world has ever seen.

Incorrect. America was designed for religious freedoms. And a small relatively weak central government. It was designed with... capitalism in mind. You know, give the people economic freedom. Economic freedoms took like 3 steps back.

[Xsyne]

I hope that American voters won't be stupid enough to go back to conservatives just because Obama hasn't made all their wishes come true in his first six months. He's not perfect, but he's accomplished quite a bit, and people are expecting too much of him.

If conservatism makes a real comeback, America's economy, reputation, and standards for human rights will likely collapse. Not that I expect a conservative comeback to be widespread or long term.

he is a socialist moron. im not even american and i can see hes undermining the core values america was built on.
giant step in the wrong direction.

Correct. Nothing Obama has done to change America has anything to do with the way America was designed to be. Giant step in the wrong direction indeed.

America was designed for the express purpose of maintaining the institution of slavery, preventing anyone other than the rich from having a voice in the government, and executing one of the largest genocides the world has ever seen.

Incorrect. America was designed for religious freedoms. And a small relatively weak central government. It was designed with... capitalism in mind. You know, give the people economic freedom. Economic freedoms took like 3 steps back.

Which is why the poor were barred from voting. And why slavery was allowed. And why the government immediately suppressed any dissent by the common man with force of arms. And why the bit of the Constitution that actually allowed religious freedoms was only added because half of the colonies outright refused to ratify it without that. And why the one colony that wouldn't even ratify it with that was forced into joining anyways through the threat of military action.

Real weak federal government there. Real economic freedom when only the rich are allowed to vote. Real economic freedom when people are held as slaves.

[Goath]

To the subject of the thread: Scozzafava suspended her campaign today. She'll remain on the ballot, of course, but she has told her supporters they can vote for either the Democrat or the Conservative.

While this makes a Conservative victory much more likely, because Scozzafava was a very, very liberal Republican, it wouldn't be a shock to see at least a portion of her 16% in the lastest poll break for the Democrat. Moderate Republicans oftentimes have a hard time voting for conservative Republicans because of their horribly dissimilar views on social issues.

(To distill "the US was founded so people could have freedom of religion" is malarky. That ones one of many, many things people enjoyed about the colonies, but the idea of self-determination and the lack of a god-chosen national leader was the philosophy that drove the revolution. Oh, and not having any say in the taxes levied on them, that one upset folk, too).

[Greenyville]

slaves wernt viewed as citizens, and it could be argued they had complete economic freedom, just lacked money. because they were slaves.
it cannot be argued that america wasnt built on the idea of individual rights and freedom. you may try, though. go!

[Greenyville]

To the subject of the post: Scozzafava suspended her campaign today. She'll remain on the ballot, of course, but she has told her supporters they can vote for either the Democrat or the Conservative.

While this makes a Conservative victory much more likely, because Scozzafava was a very, very liberal Republican, it wouldn't be a shock to see at least a portion of her 16% in the lastest poll break for the Democrat. Moderate Republicans oftentimes have a hard time voting for conservative Republicans because of their horribly dissimilar views on social issues.

(To distill "the US was founded so people could have freedom of religion" is malarky. That ones one of many, many things people enjoyed about the colonies, but the idea of self-determination and the lack of a god-chosen national leader was the philosophy that drove the revolution. Oh, and not having any say in the taxes levied on them, that one upset folk, too).

yeah enter the middle of a discussion with a comment that noones talking about
thats not rude in the slightest

[Goath]

To the subject of the post: Scozzafava suspended her campaign today. She'll remain on the ballot, of course, but she has told her supporters they can vote for either the Democrat or the Conservative.

While this makes a Conservative victory much more likely, because Scozzafava was a very, very liberal Republican, it wouldn't be a shock to see at least a portion of her 16% in the lastest poll break for the Democrat. Moderate Republicans oftentimes have a hard time voting for conservative Republicans because of their horribly dissimilar views on social issues.

(To distill "the US was founded so people could have freedom of religion" is malarky. That ones one of many, many things people enjoyed about the colonies, but the idea of self-determination and the lack of a god-chosen national leader was the philosophy that drove the revolution. Oh, and not having any say in the taxes levied on them, that one upset folk, too).

yeah enter the middle of a discussion with a comment that noones talking about
thats not rude in the slightest

Excuse me- my post was about the topic of the thread- go back and read the very, very first post, my friend. :-)

Anyway, almost every single one of my 30-odd posts have been in this thread, so jump back a bit, there.

[Milks Empire]

yeah enter the middle of a discussion with a comment that noones talking about
thats not rude in the slightest

Piss and moan at yourself and the other threadjackers then.

To the subject of the post: Scozzafava suspended her campaign today. She'll remain on the ballot, of course, but she has told her supporters they can vote for either the Democrat or the Conservative.

While this makes a Conservative victory much more likely, because Scozzafava was a very, very liberal Republican, it wouldn't be a shock to see at least a portion of her 16% in the lastest poll break for the Democrat. Moderate Republicans oftentimes have a hard time voting for conservative Republicans because of their horribly dissimilar views on social issues.

(To distill "the US was founded so people could have freedom of religion" is malarky. That ones one of many, many things people enjoyed about the colonies, but the idea of self-determination and the lack of a god-chosen national leader was the philosophy that drove the revolution. Oh, and not having any say in the taxes levied on them, that one upset folk, too).

This is quite the interesting turn of events. I read an article on Yahoo that really makes me question Doug Hoffman's legitimacy as a candidate on the grounds of residency. I'm not positive as to whether or not Lake Placid is in the 23rd and the maps Wikipedia provides aren't much help.

[Greenyville]

yeah enter the middle of a discussion with a comment that noones talking about
thats not rude in the slightest

Piss and moan at yourself and the other threadjackers then.

the thread was hardly jacked if you look at the progression of discussion
it is most irritating when people come in in the middle and ignore everything thats been said, not just this guy in general, kinda makes the discussion that went on before that pointless

[Milks Empire]

yeah enter the middle of a discussion with a comment that noones talking about
thats not rude in the slightest

Piss and moan at yourself and the other threadjackers then.

the thread was hardly jacked if you look at the progression of discussion
it is most irritating when people come in in the middle and ignore everything thats been said, not just this guy in general, kinda makes the discussion that went on before that pointless

I don't care how irritating it is. You, Sibirsky, and whoever else participated in that discussion are threadjackers. Your discussion has NOTHING to do with the special election. End of story.

[Greenyville]

yeah enter the middle of a discussion with a comment that noones talking about
thats not rude in the slightest

Piss and moan at yourself and the other threadjackers then.

the thread was hardly jacked if you look at the progression of discussion
it is most irritating when people come in in the middle and ignore everything thats been said, not just this guy in general, kinda makes the discussion that went on before that pointless

I don't care how irritating it is. You, Sibirsky, and whoever else participated in that discussion are threadjackers. Your discussion has NOTHING to do with the special election. End of story.

the discussion was perfectly on topic, read back, yaaawwnnn

[Milks Empire]

yeah enter the middle of a discussion with a comment that noones talking about
thats not rude in the slightest

Piss and moan at yourself and the other threadjackers then.

the thread was hardly jacked if you look at the progression of discussion
it is most irritating when people come in in the middle and ignore everything thats been said, not just this guy in general, kinda makes the discussion that went on before that pointless

I don't care how irritating it is. You, Sibirsky, and whoever else participated in that discussion are threadjackers. Your discussion has NOTHING to do with the special election. End of story.

the discussion was perfectly on topic, read back, yaaawwnnn

You are not talking about the New York 23rd Congressional District special election. It is off-topic. Full stop.

[Goath]

yeah enter the middle of a discussion with a comment that noones talking about
thats not rude in the slightest

Piss and moan at yourself and the other threadjackers then.

the thread was hardly jacked if you look at the progression of discussion
it is most irritating when people come in in the middle and ignore everything thats been said, not just this guy in general, kinda makes the discussion that went on before that pointless

I don't care how irritating it is. You, Sibirsky, and whoever else participated in that discussion are threadjackers. Your discussion has NOTHING to do with the special election. End of story.

the discussion was perfectly on topic, read back, yaaawwnnn

Yawn all you want- you're the one who flipped out when someone posted about the *actual* topic at hand (and I, by the way, also participated in what you had all just been discussing, and Ihad brought the topic through 4 pages of off topic comments, too. :-) )

[Greenyville]

fine i shall start a new obama topic sigh
please in general dont post straight to the OP it does disrupt so
as my obama topic failed due to my lack of actually writing anything about it, i shall now weep softly

[Chazicaria]

If conservatism makes a real comeback, America's economy, reputation, and standards for human rights will likely improve.

Fixed!

BTW, conservatives have always held better human right standards, better economic policies and always kept a good reputation, especially during Reagan years.

[The Movie of the Book]

If conservatism makes a real comeback, America's economy, reputation, and standards for human rights will likely improve.

Fixed!

BTW, conservatives have always held better human right standards, better economic policies and always kept a good reputation, especially during Reagan years.

It is better to be thought to be good than to actually do good, no?

[The Tofu Islands]

BTW, conservatives have always held better human right standards

I don’t think that the abuses carried out in places such as Guantanamo really count as good human rights standards. Do you?

[Chazicaria]

If conservatism makes a real comeback, America's economy, reputation, and standards for human rights will likely improve.

Fixed!

BTW, conservatives have always held better human right standards, better economic policies and always kept a good reputation, especially during Reagan years.

It is better to be thought to be good than to actually do good, no?

No, you should do good first.

[Chazicaria]

BTW, conservatives have always held better human right standards

I don’t think that the abuses carried out in places such as Guantanamo really count as good human rights standards. Do you?

Those bastards held at Guantanamo deserved everything they got AND MUCH more.

[The Tofu Islands]

Those bastards held at Guantanamo deserved everything they got AND MUCH more.

That’s false.

Firstly, because even terrorists have human rights.
Secondly, because they had not been convicted of terrorism, and are assumed innocent until proven guilty.
Thirdly, because a number of them were innocent.

So, any more bullshit to spew?

[The Movie of the Book]

If conservatism makes a real comeback, America's economy, reputation, and standards for human rights will likely improve.

Fixed!

BTW, conservatives have always held better human right standards, better economic policies and always kept a good reputation, especially during Reagan years.

It is better to be thought to be good than to actually do good, no?

No, you should do good first.

Then why the hullabulloo about having a good reputation?

[Ledzep123]

I hope that American voters won't be stupid enough to go back to conservatives just because Obama hasn't made all their wishes come true in his first six months. He's not perfect, but he's accomplished quite a bit, and people are expecting too much of him.

If conservatism makes a real comeback, America's economy, reputation, and standards for human rights will likely collapse. Not that I expect a conservative comeback to be widespread or long term.

Obama hasn't made his wishes come true.

[Chazicaria]

Hoepfully he never will or else we will be living in The Poor In-Debt Weak Socialist Corrupt And Murderous States of Americanaxico, TPOIDWSCAMSA!

[Milks Empire]

Hoepfully he never will or else we will be living in The Poor In-Debt Weak Socialist Corrupt And Murderous States of Americanaxico, TPOIDWSCAMSA!

Enough with the irrelevant side discussions! Make another goddamn thread for those!
[/threadjack]

So now it's down to Bill Owens, Doug Hoffman, and Mike Paestella.