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Legalization of Same-Sex Marriage in Illinois

Definitely A Good Thing
367
73%
Probably A Good Thing
18
4%
Neither A Good Nor Bad Thing
16
3%
Probably A Bad Thing
9
2%
Definitely A Bad Thing
84
17%
Other
9
2%
 
Total votes : 503

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Saruhan
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Postby Saruhan » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:30 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
We don't need more children. The planet is already overpopulated.

The world is not overpopulated. We have enough resources to support everyone who is here, and we could support many more people than we have now.

Yet we still have people starving to death. We still have almost a billion people living in abject poverty
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:30 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:The world is not overpopulated. We have enough resources to support everyone who is here, and we could support many more people than we have now.

Yet we still have people starving to death. We still have almost a billion people living in abject poverty

Keep going.

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Postby Old Sarthal » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:30 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
We don't need more children. The planet is already overpopulated.

The world is not overpopulated. We have enough resources to support everyone who is here, and we could support many more people than we have now.


Then why are there famines? Unless you're planning to personally redistribute Earth's resources, we have enough humans as it is.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:30 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:The world is not overpopulated. We have enough resources to support everyone who is here, and we could support many more people than we have now.

Please, tell that to the people on every habitable continent who are starving to death.

People are starving around the world because of a misallocation of life-sustaining resources and because of political corruption.
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GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
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#452: Foetal Furore
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Postby Duvniask » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:30 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
We don't need more children. The planet is already overpopulated.

The world is not overpopulated. We have enough resources to support everyone who is here, and we could support many more people than we have now.


Wait why is this important, even if we could support more human population, why should we just do it because?

And gay people are already gay, so they already prohibit some population growth. Letting them get equal marriage rights, would not change that.
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:31 pm

Xochi wrote:Anyone who supports homosexual marriage is a wrong. Homosexuality is a mental defect, not unlike Depression, Asperger’s, or even Retardation. In this new era of "Never Offend Anybody", truly unsettling problems go ignored, or worse, are accommodated in the wrong way. No, you can't yet "cure gay", but you can understand that it is a mental abnormality, not unlike Obsessive Compulsive Disorder or Social Anxiety Disorder. It’s disappointing that more people refuse to recognize this.


Homosexuality is a mental defect?

Next thing you know we'll be saying that asexuality is a mental defect.

Maybe bisexuality is a mental defect too.

Or even...

*Gasps*

HETEROSEXUALITY IS A MENTAL DEFECT! I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT! I KNEW IT!
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Postby FlorinGuilder » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:31 pm

Old Sarthal wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:I agree. Every child deserves to be raised by a mother and a father if at all possible.

The father who leaves his child and the woman whom he has impregnated has committed a great evil.


So, which is worse?

A.) A teenage heterosexual couple in which the father leaves after the child is born.

B.) A happy, loving gay couple who adopt a young child and raise him/her as their own.


Neither is worse. They are both equally terrible and I am appalled that both actually happen in the days we are living in.

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Postby Sdaeriji » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:31 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:The world is not overpopulated. We have enough resources to support everyone who is here, and we could support many more people than we have now.

Please, tell that to the people on every habitable continent who are starving to death.


That's not due to an inability to produce enough food to feed them, but an inability to get the food we do produce to the people that need it.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:32 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Please, tell that to the people on every habitable continent who are starving to death.

People are starving around the world because of a misallocation of life-sustaining resources and because of political corruption.

Or possibly because there just aren't enough resources to go around.
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Postby Duvniask » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:32 pm

FlorinGuilder wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
So, which is worse?

A.) A teenage heterosexual couple in which the father leaves after the child is born.

B.) A happy, loving gay couple who adopt a young child and raise him/her as their own.


Neither is worse. They are both equally terrible and I am appalled that both actually happen in the days we are living in.


Why do you hate homosexuals?
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Old Sarthal
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Postby Old Sarthal » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:32 pm

FlorinGuilder wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
So, which is worse?

A.) A teenage heterosexual couple in which the father leaves after the child is born.

B.) A happy, loving gay couple who adopt a young child and raise him/her as their own.


Neither is worse. They are both equally terrible and I am appalled that both actually happen in the days we are living in.


So B is terrible simply because the parents are gay?
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Postby Saruhan » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:32 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Please, tell that to the people on every habitable continent who are starving to death.

People are starving around the world because of a misallocation of life-sustaining resources and because of political corruption.

It doesn't matter what causes it. At the moment, for whatever reason, we have reached a population cap in certain areas
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:32 pm

FlorinGuilder wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
So, which is worse?

A.) A teenage heterosexual couple in which the father leaves after the child is born.

B.) A happy, loving gay couple who adopt a young child and raise him/her as their own.


Neither is worse. They are both equally terrible and I am appalled that both actually happen in the days we are living in.


Continue being appalled, because it's going to continue happening.

And so long as I am active in politics (might even be an actual politician one day - first mechanical engineer to be president!) this stance will continue to exist.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:32 pm

Sdaeriji wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Please, tell that to the people on every habitable continent who are starving to death.


That's not due to an inability to produce enough food to feed them, but an inability to get the food we do produce to the people that need it.

That is absolute bullshit. Corporate executives can fly around the world on a whim, but we somehow can't get food to Africa? Nuh-uh.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:33 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:People are starving around the world because of a misallocation of life-sustaining resources and because of political corruption.

Or possibly because there just aren't enough resources to go around.

There are plenty of resources to go around.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
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#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Agymnum » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:33 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
That's not due to an inability to produce enough food to feed them, but an inability to get the food we do produce to the people that need it.

That is absolute bullshit. Corporate executives can fly around the world on a whim, but we somehow can't get food to Africa? Nuh-uh.


He has a point.

It's not that we CAN'T get the food to Africa.

It's that we choose NOT to give the food to Africa.

Either way, we don't need more people. If we can't even motivate ourselves to feed THE EXISTING starving people, what makes anyone think we need MORE PEOPLE?
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:33 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Or possibly because there just aren't enough resources to go around.

There are plenty of resources to go around.

Sauce please.
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Postby Johto and Kanto » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:34 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
That's not due to an inability to produce enough food to feed them, but an inability to get the food we do produce to the people that need it.

That is absolute bullshit. Corporate executives can fly around the world on a whim, but we somehow can't get food to Africa? Nuh-uh.

Thats the so called glory of the capitalists, comrade.
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:35 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Sdaeriji wrote:
That's not due to an inability to produce enough food to feed them, but an inability to get the food we do produce to the people that need it.

That is absolute bullshit. Corporate executives can fly around the world on a whim, but we somehow can't get food to Africa? Nuh-uh.

We produce enough food at the moment that every man, woman, and child could consume 3,500 calories every day.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Dilange » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:35 pm

How immoral of the state of Illinois to do this. They are defying God's will by enacting this. Same-sex marriage is the devil's sin and should be outlawed in all states.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:35 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:That is absolute bullshit. Corporate executives can fly around the world on a whim, but we somehow can't get food to Africa? Nuh-uh.

We produce enough food at the moment that every man, woman, and child could consume 3,500 calories every day.

And I honestly believe if we just starved every single person who hates same-sex marriage to death, we wouldn't have a starvation problem.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:36 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:That is absolute bullshit. Corporate executives can fly around the world on a whim, but we somehow can't get food to Africa? Nuh-uh.

We produce enough food at the moment that every man, woman, and child could consume 3,500 calories every day.

Again, source, please.
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Postby Agymnum » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:36 pm

Dilange wrote:How immoral of the state of Illinois to do this. They are defying God's will by enacting this. Same-sex marriage is the devil's sin and should be outlawed in all states.


Fuck morality.
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Postby Duvniask » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:36 pm

Dilange wrote:How immoral of the state of Illinois to do this. They are defying God's will by enacting this. Same-sex marriage is the devil's sin and should be outlawed in all states.


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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:37 pm

Agymnum wrote:
Dilange wrote:How immoral of the state of Illinois to do this. They are defying God's will by enacting this. Same-sex marriage is the devil's sin and should be outlawed in all states.


Fuck morality.

And fuck God, for that matter.
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