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Legalization of Same-Sex Marriage in Illinois

Definitely A Good Thing
367
73%
Probably A Good Thing
18
4%
Neither A Good Nor Bad Thing
16
3%
Probably A Bad Thing
9
2%
Definitely A Bad Thing
84
17%
Other
9
2%
 
Total votes : 503

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Old Sarthal
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Postby Old Sarthal » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:20 pm

Johto and Kanto wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:You are basing your "argument" entirely on your opinion. You then assume that we respect or fear you enough to adopt your opinion as our own. You have not backed up this argument with anything except sound bytes that wouldn't be out of place in Germany during the late 30s.

Ah, genius, comparing not allowing same-sex marriage to nazis.


He is comparing CD's "purity" argument to the Nazi ideology. Something that is not entirely out of place, given the constant allusions to "superiority".
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Saruhan
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Postby Saruhan » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:20 pm

Johto and Kanto wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:You are basing your "argument" entirely on your opinion. You then assume that we respect or fear you enough to adopt your opinion as our own. You have not backed up this argument with anything except sound bytes that wouldn't be out of place in Germany during the late 30s.

Ah, genius, comparing not allowing same-sex marriage to nazis.

Well, same sex marriage was banned by the Nazis. And any nazi who came out tended to... have a bad ending
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Christian Democrats
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:20 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Children deserve to be the products of acts of love. No child should be produced in a petri dish.

Children don't deserve to be born to a mother who's sperm-donor left because she was an easy lay.

I agree. Every child deserves to be raised by a mother and a father if at all possible.

The father who leaves his child and the woman whom he has impregnated has committed a great evil.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:21 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Children don't deserve to be born to a mother who's sperm-donor left because she was an easy lay.

I agree. Every child deserves to be raised by a mother and a father if at all possible.

The father who leaves his child and the woman whom he has impregnated has committed a great evil.

Neither of which is related to same sex marriage.

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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:21 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote: They alone involve vaginal intercourse, which is the only kind of sexual activity that can lead to the creation of children, something that is necessary if our society is going to continue into the future.

Let me try this.

Vaginal intercourse is inferior because it continues the human species, the greatest threat to biodiversity today. Therefore, in the grand scheme of things, vaginal intercourse is undesirable. Prove me wrong.
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:21 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Children deserve to be the products of acts of love. No child should be produced in a petri dish.

So you're now saying that homosexuals are incapable of love.


Why are you even remotely shocked about this? Such claims are completely fitting this character.
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Saruhan
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Postby Saruhan » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:21 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Saruhan wrote:Damnit



I forgot to capitalise that one "of"

God man, how can you fail the team like that? Seriously? We ask you to bump it up, and you just LAUNCH it into the fourth row.

I hit something at least
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.

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Wisconsin9
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:21 pm

Johto and Kanto wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:You are basing your "argument" entirely on your opinion. You then assume that we respect or fear you enough to adopt your opinion as our own. You have not backed up this argument with anything except sound bytes that wouldn't be out of place in Germany during the late 30s.

Ah, genius, comparing not allowing same-sex marriage to nazis.

I admit that you're a few steps removed, but give it time.

Besides, I was referring to the labeling of homosexuals as inferior to heterosexuals.
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Old Sarthal
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Postby Old Sarthal » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:22 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Children don't deserve to be born to a mother who's sperm-donor left because she was an easy lay.

I agree. Every child deserves to be raised by a mother and a father if at all possible.

The father who leaves his child and the woman whom he has impregnated has committed a great evil.


So, which is worse?

A.) A teenage heterosexual couple in which the father leaves after the child is born.

B.) A happy, loving gay couple who adopt a young child and raise him/her as their own.
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Postby EnragedMaldivians » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:22 pm

FlorinGuilder wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I am personally disgusted by the thought of same-sex marriage opponents being allowed in any states, especially one that is so close to mine (any). As a human, I strongly oppose this, and hope that we eject them into space.


That is clearly a liberal position. No morals.


A healthy moral outlook should be predicated on a combination of empathy, discourse and a willingness to discard what is obsolete. Morality that is all about preservation of tradition and the status quo is a morality that can be used to justify slavery, institutionalized discrimination and disdain for the less fortunate.
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Neo Art
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:22 pm

Johto and Kanto wrote:Ah, genius, comparing not allowing same-sex marriage to nazis.


Johto and Kanto wrote: you should accept the people who simply state their opinion
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Christian Democrats
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:22 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Children deserve to be the products of acts of love. No child should be produced in a petri dish.

So you're now saying that homosexuals are incapable of love.

To the contrary, everybody should strive to love everybody else.

Homosexual couples are incapable of engaging in vaginal intercourse, the only form of sexual activity that can result in children.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Duvniask » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:22 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Children don't deserve to be born to a mother who's sperm-donor left because she was an easy lay.

I agree. Every child deserves to be raised by a mother and a father if at all possible.


Unfortunately in the real world, that doesn't happen.

The father who leaves his child and the woman whom he has impregnated has committed a great evil.


Lolwut. What if the woman with whom he had a child tried to stick a knife in his back, is it not justified then?
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Duvniask
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Postby Duvniask » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:23 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:So you're now saying that homosexuals are incapable of love.

To the contrary, everybody should strive to love everybody else.

Homosexual couples are incapable of engaging in vaginal intercourse, the only form of sexual activity that can result in children.


So?

There's 7 billion people on this planet. That aint enough for you? Jesus Christ.
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Wisconsin9
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:24 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:So you're now saying that homosexuals are incapable of love.

To the contrary, everybody should strive to love everybody else.

Homosexual couples are incapable of engaging in vaginal intercourse, the only form of sexual activity that can result in children.

You said, and I quote, that "children deserve to be the products of acts of love", and blatantly disregard every other possible meaning of the word "love" in existence.
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Christian Democrats
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:24 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:I was referring to the labeling of homosexuals as inferior to heterosexuals.

Heterosexuals and homosexuals are equal. Their sexual relationships are not.

As persons, they are equal. Their actions are unequal.
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Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Old Sarthal
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Postby Old Sarthal » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:24 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:So you're now saying that homosexuals are incapable of love.

To the contrary, everybody should strive to love everybody else.

Homosexual couples are incapable of engaging in vaginal intercourse, the only form of sexual activity that can result in children.


We don't need more children. The planet is already overpopulated.
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Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.59
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:26 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote: They alone involve vaginal intercourse, which is the only kind of sexual activity that can lead to the creation of children, something that is necessary if our society is going to continue into the future.

Let me try this.

Vaginal intercourse is inferior because it continues the human species, the greatest threat to biodiversity today. Therefore, in the grand scheme of things, vaginal intercourse is undesirable. Prove me wrong.
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Postby Johto and Kanto » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:26 pm

Old Sarthal wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:To the contrary, everybody should strive to love everybody else.

Homosexual couples are incapable of engaging in vaginal intercourse, the only form of sexual activity that can result in children.


We don't need more children. The planet is already overpopulated.

How else will we get Soylent Green though? SEAWEED?!
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:26 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:I was referring to the labeling of homosexuals as inferior to heterosexuals.

Heterosexuals and homosexuals are equal. Their sexual relationships are not.

As persons, they are equal. Their actions are unequal.

Yes, and when Hitler was bashing on Jews, rather than just calling them terrible people, he blamed them for Germany's economic issues. In other words, not explicitly bashing them, just "their actions".
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Old Sarthal
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Postby Old Sarthal » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:27 pm

Johto and Kanto wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
We don't need more children. The planet is already overpopulated.

How else will we get Soylent Green though? SEAWEED?!


The optimal human population is around one billion, we'll have plenty of spares.
Economic Left/Right: -0.62
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.59
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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:27 pm

Old Sarthal wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:To the contrary, everybody should strive to love everybody else.

Homosexual couples are incapable of engaging in vaginal intercourse, the only form of sexual activity that can result in children.


We don't need more children. The planet is already overpopulated.

The world is not overpopulated. We have enough resources to support everyone who is here, and we could support many more people than we have now.
Leo Tolstoy wrote:Wrong does not cease to be wrong because the majority share in it.
GA#160: Forced Marriages Ban Act (79%)
GA#175: Organ and Blood Donations Act (68%)^
SC#082: Repeal "Liberate Catholic" (80%)
GA#200: Foreign Marriage Recognition (54%)
GA#213: Privacy Protection Act (70%)
GA#231: Marital Rape Justice Act (81%)^
GA#233: Ban Profits on Workers' Deaths (80%)*
GA#249: Stopping Suicide Seeds (70%)^
GA#253: Repeal "Freedom in Medical Research" (76%)
GA#285: Assisted Suicide Act (70%)^
GA#310: Disabled Voters Act (81%)
GA#373: Repeal "Convention on Execution" (54%)
GA#468: Prohibit Private Prisons (57%)^

* denotes coauthorship
^ repealed resolution
#360: Electile Dysfunction
#452: Foetal Furore
#560: Bicameral Backlash
#570: Clerical Errors

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:28 pm

Old Sarthal wrote:
Johto and Kanto wrote:How else will we get Soylent Green though? SEAWEED?!


The optimal human population is around one billion, we'll have plenty of spares.

Well, on this planet, anyways. I consider myself to be an advocate of extraterrestrial colonization.
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Postby Xochi » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:28 pm

Anyone who supports homosexual marriage is a wrong. Homosexuality is a mental defect, not unlike Depression, Asperger’s, or even Retardation. In this new era of "Never Offend Anybody", truly unsettling problems go ignored, or worse, are accommodated in the wrong way. No, you can't yet "cure gay", but you can understand that it is a mental abnormality, not unlike Obsessive Compulsive Disorder or Social Anxiety Disorder. It’s disappointing that more people refuse to recognize this.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:28 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
We don't need more children. The planet is already overpopulated.

The world is not overpopulated. We have enough resources to support everyone who is here, and we could support many more people than we have now.

Please, tell that to the people on every habitable continent who are starving to death.
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