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Legalization of Same-Sex Marriage in Illinois

Definitely A Good Thing
367
73%
Probably A Good Thing
18
4%
Neither A Good Nor Bad Thing
16
3%
Probably A Bad Thing
9
2%
Definitely A Bad Thing
84
17%
Other
9
2%
 
Total votes : 503

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Postby Duvniask » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:08 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
So, by your logic, gay couples cannot be married, because they cannot have children. Should sterile couples also be prevented from marrying, as well as couples where the woman is past menopause? The fact that that quote is from the Catholic Church does nothing to help your case.

Gay couples cannot marry because they cannot have vaginal intercourse, which is superior to all other sexual acts.


Who the fuck made you the arbiter of what sexual acts are "superior"?
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:08 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:Gay couples cannot marry because they cannot have vaginal intercourse, which is superior to all other sexual acts.

According to your imaginary authority on determining the worth of sexual acts.
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Postby FlorinGuilder » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:08 pm

I am personally disgusted by the thought of same-sex marriage being allowed in any states, especially one that is so close to mine (Indiana). As a Christian, I strongly oppose this, and hope that it fails.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:09 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Duvniask wrote:
Now I'm ignorant about this, but isn't there quite a few tax benefit from getting married? Maybe a couple would do it simply for that reason.

Absolutely there are benefits only conferred to married couples. Which is why we need to get same sex couples the right to marry, so they also enjoy the benefits other married couples who do NOTHING FUCKING DIFFERENT enjoy.

If marriage is about the benefits, why are domestic partnerships with the same benefits not acceptable?
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Postby Neo Art » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:09 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
Aren't we all hoity toity with our big fancy words from books.

I was gonna go with fuckin'

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Yes, people marry so that they can express their deep romantic love for one another through the marital act. People marry to engage in sexual intercourse and to live the remainder of their lives with that partner. Sexual intercourse leads to procreation.

"By its very nature the institution of marriage and married love is ordered to the procreation and education of the offspring and it is in them that it finds its crowning glory."

People who cannot engage in these procreative acts cannot be married. Sexual intercourse -- that is, vaginal intercourse -- exceeds all other forms of sexual activity because it is the only sort of sexual act that can result in children.

This is why same-sex partners cannot be married. They engage in inferior forms of sexual activity, acts that never result in procreation. Vaginal intercourse, the only form of procreative sexual activity, deserves special recognition in our society; and this is why only a man and a woman should be recognized as married. Only they have vaginal intercourse; only their sex can produce children.


Here's the funny thing.

You kinda act like you sorta "lead us here" like some vagina obsessed dorothy leading us down the pinked lipped road so that we can reach the end and be suddenly wowed by your brilliance and insight. It reminds me of socractic method from lawschool if my professors were less interested in teaching law and is instead really really interested in discussing how other people fuck.

I know you think you were being clever. You weren't. We all knew where you were going. We all knew where this road was taking us. We all knew the point you were going to make. It wasn't clever. It wasn't shocking. It was pedantic, sophomoric and predictable.

You spent multiple pages setting up an argument that literally nobody involved in this conversation wasn't expecting.

Fucking pathetic.
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Postby Johto and Kanto » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:09 pm

It bothers me that instead of respecting each others opinions, we would prefer to be rude to those who don't support gay marriage in Illinois. What was this thread called? Surely not 'be rude to people with other opinions. I just want to say that I am a heterosexual and believe that everyone deserves their own opinion.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:09 pm

FlorinGuilder wrote:I am personally disgusted by the thought of same-sex marriage being allowed in any states, especially one that is so close to mine (Indiana). As a Christian, I strongly oppose this, and hope that it fails.

I am personally disgusted by the thought of same-sex marriage opponents being allowed in any states, especially one that is so close to mine (any). As a human, I strongly oppose this, and hope that we eject them into space.

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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:09 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Neo Art wrote:
Aren't we all hoity toity with our big fancy words from books.

I was gonna go with fuckin'

Image

Yes, people marry so that they can express their deep romantic love for one another through the marital act. People marry to engage in sexual intercourse and to live the remainder of their lives with that partner. Sexual intercourse leads to procreation.

"By its very nature the institution of marriage and married love is ordered to the procreation and education of the offspring and it is in them that it finds its crowning glory."

People who cannot engage in these procreative acts cannot be married. Sexual intercourse -- that is, vaginal intercourse -- exceeds all other forms of sexual activity because it is the only sort of sexual act that can result in children.

This is why same-sex partners cannot be married. They engage in inferior forms of sexual activity, acts that never result in procreation. Vaginal intercourse, the only form of procreative sexual activity, deserves special recognition in our society; and this is why only a man and a woman should be recognized as married. Only they have vaginal intercourse; only their sex can produce children.

Bullshit, vaginal intercourse isn't superior to other forms of sex, and procreation, while the biological goal of sex, is not the social, personal, and physical goal of sex.

Marriage isn't about sex anyway, because you can engage in sex outside of marriage. To deny others the rights have the civil, financial, and social benefits of marriage is bigoted and insane.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:09 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
So, by your logic, gay couples cannot be married, because they cannot have children. Should sterile couples also be prevented from marrying, as well as couples where the woman is past menopause? The fact that that quote is from the Catholic Church does nothing to help your case.

Gay couples cannot marry because they cannot have vaginal intercourse, which is superior to all other sexual acts.

So it seems that lesbians don't have vaginas.

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Postby Old Sarthal » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:10 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
So, by your logic, gay couples cannot be married, because they cannot have children. Should sterile couples also be prevented from marrying, as well as couples where the woman is past menopause? The fact that that quote is from the Catholic Church does nothing to help your case.

Gay couples cannot marry because they cannot have vaginal intercourse, which is superior to all other sexual acts.


The flaw in your logic here is your assumption that the sole purpose of marriage is procreation/intercourse. What if two individuals want to marry just for tax purposes, and do not intend to pursue vaginal intercourse? Is that "okay"?
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Postby The Huskar Social Union » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:10 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
So, by your logic, gay couples cannot be married, because they cannot have children. Should sterile couples also be prevented from marrying, as well as couples where the woman is past menopause? The fact that that quote is from the Catholic Church does nothing to help your case.

Gay couples cannot marry because they cannot have vaginal intercourse, which is superior to all other sexual acts.
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Postby Saruhan » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:10 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
So, by your logic, gay couples cannot be married, because they cannot have children. Should sterile couples also be prevented from marrying, as well as couples where the woman is past menopause? The fact that that quote is from the Catholic Church does nothing to help your case.

Gay couples cannot marry because they cannot have vaginal intercourse, which is superior to all other sexual acts.

I suppose we should also only have Sex In The Missionary Position For The Sole Purpose Of Procreation
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:10 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Absolutely there are benefits only conferred to married couples. Which is why we need to get same sex couples the right to marry, so they also enjoy the benefits other married couples who do NOTHING FUCKING DIFFERENT enjoy.

If marriage is about the benefits, why are domestic partnerships with the same benefits not acceptable?

Because separate but equal got ruled unconstitutional.

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Postby Dyakovo » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:10 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Old Sarthal wrote:
So, by your logic, gay couples cannot be married, because they cannot have children. Should sterile couples also be prevented from marrying, as well as couples where the woman is past menopause? The fact that that quote is from the Catholic Church does nothing to help your case.

Gay couples cannot marry because they cannot have vaginal intercourse, which is superior to all other sexual acts.

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Postby Christian Democrats » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:10 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Gay couples cannot marry because they cannot have vaginal intercourse, which is superior to all other sexual acts.

According to your imaginary authority on determining the worth of sexual acts.

Without vaginal intercourse, the human species would not exist.

This is why it is superior. Those who cannot engage in vaginal intercourse should not be recognized as married.
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:10 pm

Johto and Kanto wrote:It bothers me that instead of respecting each others opinions, we would prefer to be rude to those who don't support gay marriage in Illinois. What was this thread called? Surely not 'be rude to people with other opinions. I just want to say that I am a heterosexual and believe that everyone deserves their own opinion.

Of course people are entitled to their opinion, but they aren't allowed to have that opinion, when stated, to be safe from ridicule.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:11 pm

Neo Art wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:
Image

Yes, people marry so that they can express their deep romantic love for one another through the marital act. People marry to engage in sexual intercourse and to live the remainder of their lives with that partner. Sexual intercourse leads to procreation.

"By its very nature the institution of marriage and married love is ordered to the procreation and education of the offspring and it is in them that it finds its crowning glory."

People who cannot engage in these procreative acts cannot be married. Sexual intercourse -- that is, vaginal intercourse -- exceeds all other forms of sexual activity because it is the only sort of sexual act that can result in children.

This is why same-sex partners cannot be married. They engage in inferior forms of sexual activity, acts that never result in procreation. Vaginal intercourse, the only form of procreative sexual activity, deserves special recognition in our society; and this is why only a man and a woman should be recognized as married. Only they have vaginal intercourse; only their sex can produce children.


Here's the funny thing.

You kinda act like you sorta "lead us here" like some vagina obsessed dorothy leading us down the pinked lipped road so that we can reach the end and be suddenly wowed by your brilliance and insight. It reminds me of socractic method from lawschool if my professors were less interested in teaching law and is instead really really interested in discussing how other people fuck.

I know you think you were being clever. You weren't. We all knew where you were going. We all knew where this road was taking us. We all knew the point you were going to make. It wasn't clever. It wasn't shocking. It was pedantic, sophomoric and predictable.

You spent multiple pages setting up an argument that literally nobody involved in this conversation wasn't expecting.

Fucking pathetic.

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:11 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Christian Democrats wrote:Gay couples cannot marry because they cannot have vaginal intercourse, which is superior to all other sexual acts.

I suppose we should also only have Sex In The Missionary Position For The Sole Purpose of Procreation

YOU FUCKING PIG. GOD YOU DISGUST ME.

HOW CAN YOU MENTION THIS HORRIBLE ACT?!

OH GOD I'M PUKING.

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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:11 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:According to your imaginary authority on determining the worth of sexual acts.

Without vaginal intercourse, the human species would not exist.

This is why it is superior. Those who cannot engage in vaginal intercourse should not be recognized as married.

Procreation is possible without vaginal sex.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:12 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:Without vaginal intercourse, the human species would not exist.

What higher level thinking you've accomplished there.
Christian Democrats wrote:This is why it is superior.

No, it's why it exists.
Christian Democrats wrote:Those who cannot engage in vaginal intercourse should not be recognized as married.

You can keep pretending this isn't a circular argument if you want, but don't expect anyone to take it seriously.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:12 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:According to your imaginary authority on determining the worth of sexual acts.

Without vaginal intercourse, the human species would not exist.

This is why it is superior. Those who cannot engage in vaginal intercourse should not be recognized as married.

You're right, we would have ceased to exist long ago if it weren't for vaginal intercourse. Except now that there are other ways of impregnating women and reproducing, there's no need to keep it.
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Postby FlorinGuilder » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:12 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
FlorinGuilder wrote:I am personally disgusted by the thought of same-sex marriage being allowed in any states, especially one that is so close to mine (Indiana). As a Christian, I strongly oppose this, and hope that it fails.

I am personally disgusted by the thought of same-sex marriage opponents being allowed in any states, especially one that is so close to mine (any). As a human, I strongly oppose this, and hope that we eject them into space.


That is clearly a liberal position. No morals.

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Postby Johto and Kanto » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:12 pm

FlorinGuilder wrote:I am personally disgusted by the thought of same-sex marriage being allowed in any states, especially one that is so close to mine (Indiana). As a Christian, I strongly oppose this, and hope that it fails.

I am happy that someone is voicing their opinion, and I am honestly a little nervous about how this could change my home state, Illinois.
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Postby Saruhan » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:12 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Saruhan wrote:I suppose we should also only have Sex In The Missionary Position For The Sole Purpose of Procreation

YOU FUCKING PIG. GOD YOU DISGUST ME.

HOW CAN YOU MENTION THIS HORRIBLE ACT?!

OH GOD I'M PUKING.

Damnit



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Postby Sdaeriji » Thu Feb 14, 2013 6:12 pm

Christian Democrats wrote:This is why it is superior. Those who cannot engage in vaginal intercourse should not be recognized as married.


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