Free Cellphones and minutes for Welfare

[Neo Art]

Neo Art, societal leech, is stealin mah power.

I'm in ur bus stashions, leechin of ur powah.

[Ashmoria]

Whats the problem of having a phone in your house, a traditional POTS? Sure, you cant use a POTS while driving. So?

not everyone has a home.

OK, lets follow this out then. They dont have a home, where are they gonna charge the battery? Are they going to steal power from someone else? Does the Govmt have a "cell phone charging stations" in the poor neighborhoods?

that may be a problem. *shrug*

consider for a moment how hard it is to get a job when you are homeless. how are they going to call you back if you dont have a phone?

[Ifreann]

Whats the problem of having a phone in your house, a traditional POTS? Sure, you cant use a POTS while driving. So?

not everyone has a home.

OK, lets follow this out then. They dont have a home, where are they gonna charge the battery? Are they going to steal power from someone else? Does the Govmt have a "cell phone charging stations" in the poor neighborhoods?

that may be a problem. *shrug*

consider for a moment how hard it is to get a job when you are homeless. how are they going to call you back if you dont have a phone?

Give them the number of the pay phone(assuming it can be called) and wait there for a call back, hoping that nobody tries to use it.

[Ashmoria]

Whats the problem of having a phone in your house, a traditional POTS? Sure, you cant use a POTS while driving. So?

not everyone has a home.

OK, lets follow this out then. They dont have a home, where are they gonna charge the battery? Are they going to steal power from someone else? Does the Govmt have a "cell phone charging stations" in the poor neighborhoods?

that may be a problem. *shrug*

consider for a moment how hard it is to get a job when you are homeless. how are they going to call you back if you dont have a phone?

Give them the number of the pay phone(assuming it can be called) and wait there for a call back, hoping that nobody tries to use it.

lol

yeah that would totally work.

[Muravyets]

I have been asked to resign for "not fitting in". By "not fitting in" they meant that I was unwilling to charge my clients for 8 hours when I only worked 4. I resigned. I said that on the Unemployment insuracne application. I got my UI.

I find a certain amount of irony in someone who has collected unemployment benefits bitching about people "leeching off welfare"

It's good you can see irony. All I see is rage.

Neo Art laughs. You get mad. I just get bored and disgusted by the same old, unthinking "I've got mine" attitude.

Phone service is a necessity in the modern world. You need it to look for work. You need it to find a place to live. You need it to coordinate with services for child care, medical care, utilities, etc. And you need it to summon help in emergencies. If a social welfare system is going to claim to be trying to get people out of poverty and into the work force, then some limited phone service is just as necessary for them to provide as food, shelter and clothing.

[Muravyets]

Whats the problem of having a phone in your house, a traditional POTS? Sure, you cant use a POTS while driving. So?

not everyone has a home.

OK, lets follow this out then. They dont have a home, where are they gonna charge the battery? Are they going to steal power from someone else? Does the Govmt have a "cell phone charging stations" in the poor neighborhoods?

that may be a problem. *shrug*

consider for a moment how hard it is to get a job when you are homeless. how are they going to call you back if you dont have a phone?

Give them the number of the pay phone(assuming it can be called) and wait there for a call back, hoping that nobody tries to use it.

lol

yeah that would totally work.

Especially because there are so many working pay phones on the streets, nowadays in the Age of the Cellular.

And if KMA wants us to "follow this out", let's do so: If a poor or homeless person can go to a church for food and shelter, why can't a poor or homeless person also ask at a church if they can use an outlet to charge a phone? KMA's a big church person, isn't he? Why isn't he advocating that churches let the homeless charge phones in their buildings as a charitable service?

If I ran a church, I'd do that.

[Muravyets]

Fine if cell phones are so cheap, give them to everyone. Create a mandate that ALL citizens get free phones with certain basic services. If you want to add more then it is up to you.

*I* cant even afford the phones *I* have. And part of that is because the taxes and surcharges that I pay go for this stupid handout system. Ever hear of a PAYPHONE?

Get a better job.

Or buy cheaper phones.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Whats the problem of having a phone in your house, a traditional POTS? Sure, you cant use a POTS while driving. So?

not everyone has a home.

OK, lets follow this out then. They dont have a home, where are they gonna charge the battery? Are they going to steal power from someone else? Does the Govmt have a "cell phone charging stations" in the poor neighborhoods?

that may be a problem. *shrug*

consider for a moment how hard it is to get a job when you are homeless. how are they going to call you back if you dont have a phone?

Give them the number of the pay phone(assuming it can be called) and wait there for a call back, hoping that nobody tries to use it.

lol

yeah that would totally work.

Especially because there are so many working pay phones on the streets, nowadays in the Age of the Cellular.

And if KMA wants us to "follow this out", let's do so: If a poor or homeless person can go to a church for food and shelter, why can't a poor or homeless person also ask at a church if they can use an outlet to charge a phone? KMA's a big church person, isn't he? Why isn't he advocating that churches let the homeless charge phones in their buildings as a charitable service?

If I ran a church, I'd do that.

Fine. Then why cant we let "The Holy order of Patron Saints of the Cellularless" DONATE the stuff to them as well. Better yet, set up a phone bank at the church and let them use that. It could be manned by *GOSH WHAT A CONCEPT* the people using the services. Surely not ALL of them are out on job interviews at the same time.

The point is that there are PRIVATE solutions to this problem. Get you HAND out of my wallet.

[Sdaeriji]

Fine. Then why cant we let "The Holy order of Patron Saints of the Cellularless" DONATE the stuff to them as well. Better yet, set up a phone bank at the church and let them use that. It could be manned by *GOSH WHAT A CONCEPT* the people using the services. Surely not ALL of them are out on job interviews at the same time.

The point is that there are PRIVATE solutions to this problem. Get you HAND out of my wallet.

No, the point is that you don't actually have a problem leeching off the hard work of others, as long as you do it through your personally approved proper channels.

[Muravyets]

Roadrunner High Speed. Business class

and yet you bitch about not being able to afford your phone plan.

Dial up is $10 a month.

And pay-as-you-go phones cost only as much as you feel like buying in minutes from time to time. No plans to get locked into. Sometimes you can even get a reconditioned phone for free, if they're running a special and you don't want fancy features.

[Ashmoria]

Fine. Then why cant we let "The Holy order of Patron Saints of the Cellularless" DONATE the stuff to them as well. Better yet, set up a phone bank at the church and let them use that. It could be manned by *GOSH WHAT A CONCEPT* the people using the services. Surely not ALL of them are out on job interviews at the same time.

The point is that there are PRIVATE solutions to this problem. Get you HAND out of my wallet.

it all depends on how many people you are comfortable with dying because they dont have a phone to call 9/11, how many people you are comfortable with staying on welfare because they cant get calls about job interviews/offers.

i find it an excellent program that keeps "grammy" able to have a phone in her home no matter how wonky the economy gets. she wont have to choose between food or phone.

[Muravyets]

One is voluntary, the other is forced through the threat of jail time.

But if you're such a good person, that you WANT to donate, then it shouldn't bother you. No no, let me guess, it's the "principle" of it

Yeah, I want my charity to go to whomever I see fit. You should do the same.

I do. That's why I support tax-funded social welfare programs -- because the people I want to help are those who need the help.

[Ashmoria]

One is voluntary, the other is forced through the threat of jail time.

But if you're such a good person, that you WANT to donate, then it shouldn't bother you. No no, let me guess, it's the "principle" of it

Yeah, I want my charity to go to whomever I see fit. You should do the same.

I do. That's why I support tax-funded social welfare programs -- because the people I want to help are those who need the help.

imagine having to go from church office to church office begging for the help you need, never knowing whether they have any money left in the coffers to help you at all or if they have programs that address your particular need. or if they serve people like you at all.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Fine. Then why cant we let "The Holy order of Patron Saints of the Cellularless" DONATE the stuff to them as well. Better yet, set up a phone bank at the church and let them use that. It could be manned by *GOSH WHAT A CONCEPT* the people using the services. Surely not ALL of them are out on job interviews at the same time.

The point is that there are PRIVATE solutions to this problem. Get you HAND out of my wallet.

it all depends on how many people you are comfortable with dying because they dont have a phone to call 9/11, how many people you are comfortable with staying on welfare because they cant get calls about job interviews/offers.

i find it an excellent program that keeps "grammy" able to have a phone in her home no matter how wonky the economy gets. she wont have to choose between food or phone.

The job interview point has been addresses by providing phone banks at charitable orgs who are manned by those using them. They would be used to receive messages for those who are not there.

The 911 issue is another story. I know that 911 calls dont need minutes in order to be made. If that is the only issue, then create a 911 only cell phone. Or better yet, use a "lifeline" type pendant "Help, I'm being mugged and I cant get up"

[KiloMikeAlpha]

One is voluntary, the other is forced through the threat of jail time.

But if you're such a good person, that you WANT to donate, then it shouldn't bother you. No no, let me guess, it's the "principle" of it

Yeah, I want my charity to go to whomever I see fit. You should do the same.

I do. That's why I support tax-funded social welfare programs -- because the people I want to help are those who need the help.

imagine having to go from church office to church office begging for the help you need, never knowing whether they have any money left in the coffers to help you at all or if they have programs that address your particular need. or if they serve people like you at all.

I am sure there is a "Gay Athiest Emo Crossdresser Liberal Lovers" charitable org out there.

[Ashmoria]

One is voluntary, the other is forced through the threat of jail time.

But if you're such a good person, that you WANT to donate, then it shouldn't bother you. No no, let me guess, it's the "principle" of it

Yeah, I want my charity to go to whomever I see fit. You should do the same.

I do. That's why I support tax-funded social welfare programs -- because the people I want to help are those who need the help.

imagine having to go from church office to church office begging for the help you need, never knowing whether they have any money left in the coffers to help you at all or if they have programs that address your particular need. or if they serve people like you at all.

I am sure there is a "Gay Athiest Emo Crossdresser Liberal Lovers" charitable org out there.

well good for you.

that doesnt make it any easier for ... an abused mother to drag her children from church to church until she finds one that can help her.

[Muravyets]

It is not a hand out. People are expected to work it off.

So it isn't even charity then?

Charity =/= free handouts

Charity =/= the pure love of Christ.

We believe that working for what you get instills a sense of self-worth.

Working for money =/= charity.

All you are telling us is that there is no charity the LDS. There is only a probably illegal form of employment which the LDS claims is a charity, seemingly perhaps fraudulently.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

I am sure the problem is that people dont want to go to churches for help because they dont believe in God. Fine, there are other secular orgs out there to help.

[Ashmoria]

Fine. Then why cant we let "The Holy order of Patron Saints of the Cellularless" DONATE the stuff to them as well. Better yet, set up a phone bank at the church and let them use that. It could be manned by *GOSH WHAT A CONCEPT* the people using the services. Surely not ALL of them are out on job interviews at the same time.

The point is that there are PRIVATE solutions to this problem. Get you HAND out of my wallet.

it all depends on how many people you are comfortable with dying because they dont have a phone to call 9/11, how many people you are comfortable with staying on welfare because they cant get calls about job interviews/offers.

i find it an excellent program that keeps "grammy" able to have a phone in her home no matter how wonky the economy gets. she wont have to choose between food or phone.

The job interview point has been addresses by providing phone banks at charitable orgs who are manned by those using them. They would be used to receive messages for those who are not there.

The 911 issue is another story. I know that 911 calls dont need minutes in order to be made. If that is the only issue, then create a 911 only cell phone. Or better yet, use a "lifeline" type pendant "Help, I'm being mugged and I cant get up"

so youre OK with giving out cell phones as long as you decide exactly how its done?

[Doujin]

This has been provided for quite some time through the Universal Service Fund. The wireless part may be new, but is probably cheaper than traditional land lines.

http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/lllu.html

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Fine. Then why cant we let "The Holy order of Patron Saints of the Cellularless" DONATE the stuff to them as well. Better yet, set up a phone bank at the church and let them use that. It could be manned by *GOSH WHAT A CONCEPT* the people using the services. Surely not ALL of them are out on job interviews at the same time.

The point is that there are PRIVATE solutions to this problem. Get you HAND out of my wallet.

it all depends on how many people you are comfortable with dying because they dont have a phone to call 9/11, how many people you are comfortable with staying on welfare because they cant get calls about job interviews/offers.

i find it an excellent program that keeps "grammy" able to have a phone in her home no matter how wonky the economy gets. she wont have to choose between food or phone.

The job interview point has been addresses by providing phone banks at charitable orgs who are manned by those using them. They would be used to receive messages for those who are not there.

The 911 issue is another story. I know that 911 calls dont need minutes in order to be made. If that is the only issue, then create a 911 only cell phone. Or better yet, use a "lifeline" type pendant "Help, I'm being mugged and I cant get up"

so youre OK with giving out cell phones as long as you decide exactly how its done?

Yeah. Sounds good to me. Solve the problem at hand, with no impact to taxes. Sounds like Conservative values to me.

[Ashmoria]

I am sure the problem is that people dont want to go to churches for help because they dont believe in God. Fine, there are other secular orgs out there to help.

uhhuh

and how much of a burden would it be to find one compared to going down to the local social services office where they have all programs centrally located and they never run out of money?

i mean, try dropping by the food bank and take a look at how bare the shelves are these days. charity isnt always fully funded.

[Farnhamia]

One is voluntary, the other is forced through the threat of jail time.

But if you're such a good person, that you WANT to donate, then it shouldn't bother you. No no, let me guess, it's the "principle" of it

Yeah, I want my charity to go to whomever I see fit. You should do the same.

I do. That's why I support tax-funded social welfare programs -- because the people I want to help are those who need the help.

imagine having to go from church office to church office begging for the help you need, never knowing whether they have any money left in the coffers to help you at all or if they have programs that address your particular need. or if they serve people like you at all.

Now, now, all KMA's saying is, he wants to be able to decide who his money helps, or to at least be sure that decision will be made by people whose principles he agrees with, like the leaders of his church. What he's against is the money he earned by the sweat of his brow being taken from him under the threat of legal action by the government and distributed to people who don't deserve it. Taxes are theft. KMA's got his and he wants to keep it. You know the rest.

[Ashmoria]

Yeah. Sounds good to me. Solve the problem at hand, with no impact to taxes. Sounds like Conservative values to me.

sounds like not caring about a problem to me.

[Muravyets]

KiloMike, man, you gotta stop yourself from getting systematically owned!! It can't be good for your health.

You know. I was thinking the same thing. I asked my self "Self? Why do you discuss stuff with idiots all the time?" The answer was kinda cool. It was "KMA, you discuss stuff with idiots to get you used to tallking to the Libs in Congress, Duh".

I fell better now. No skin of my Asparagus. I figure that if I am going to make a living out of arguing with Idiots, what better place to start then NSG?

Yay! I didn't miss the part where KMA Flames Everyone Who Disagrees With Him and the Whole Forum In General Because He Can't Support His Arguments!