Free Cellphones and minutes for Welfare

[Farnhamia]

Dont like it, dont do it. Give to your own church. Whatever. Just dont force me to give.

I'm not forcing you to do anything. The US federal government is. As is the government of whatever state you're in.

And the solution is so simple, really. Get like-minded people elected and get the federal and state income taxes repealed. It's a bit of work, sure, but it's the American Way. As in, you know, Truth, Justice and ...

[KiloMikeAlpha]

You all asked. I answered. But, yeah, if they are listening.

Your version of a charity based welfare system just got a whole lot more scary.

Why? Because it works? Because it is efficient? Because it is voluntary? Because it isnt a hand out? Or because you dont get any?

You have no way to verify that it works, or is efficient. It isn't voluntary because you'll go to hell if you don't do it. It is a hand out. And we don't need any of it any more than we would need welfare.

It is not a hand out. People are expected to work it off.

Yet you have no way to verify that they do.

You talk of things you dont understand. I will educate you.

We often have service projects, people on church welfare are expected to be there helping out. We often work at "welfare farms". These are farms that grow food for the "Bishop's Storehouse". Welfare recipients are expected to help out on the farms. They are also expected to work i nthe Storehouses when the ward has an assignment there.

We verify, because we see them there. However, the Bishop is generally the only one in the Ward who knows who is on welfare.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

Dont like it, dont do it. Give to your own church. Whatever. Just dont force me to give.

You aren't though. You don't pay taxes unless you make an income. If welfare is so awesome, you could just stop making income.

[Fartsniffage]

You talk of things you dont understand. I will educate you.

We often have service projects, people on church welfare are expected to be there helping out. We often work at "welfare farms". These are farms that grow food for the "Bishop's Storehouse". Welfare recipients are expected to help out on the farms. They are also expected to work i nthe Storehouses when the ward has an assignment there.

We verify, because we see them there. However, the Bishop is generally the only one in the Ward who knows who is on welfare.

So it's a tax dodge?

Your working in return for renumeration yet not paying tax.

[Neo Art]

Dont like it, dont do it. Give to your own church. Whatever. Just dont force me to give.

You aren't though. You don't pay taxes unless you make an income. If welfare is so awesome, you could just stop making income.

amusingly enough, welfare benefits are taxable (I know, I know, it makes my head hurt too).

[KiloMikeAlpha]

It is not a hand out. People are expected to work it off.

So it isn't even charity then?

Charity =/= free handouts

Charity =/= the pure love of Christ.

We believe that working for what you get instills a sense of self-worth.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Dont like it, dont do it. Give to your own church. Whatever. Just dont force me to give.

You aren't though. You don't pay taxes unless you make an income. If welfare is so awesome, you could just stop making income.

yeah, so I can get a rebate for money I never paid?

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

You all asked. I answered. But, yeah, if they are listening.

Your version of a charity based welfare system just got a whole lot more scary.

Why? Because it works? Because it is efficient? Because it is voluntary? Because it isnt a hand out? Or because you dont get any?

You have no way to verify that it works, or is efficient. It isn't voluntary because you'll go to hell if you don't do it. It is a hand out. And we don't need any of it any more than we would need welfare.

It is not a hand out. People are expected to work it off.

Yet you have no way to verify that they do.

You talk of things you dont understand. I will educate you.

We often have service projects, people on church welfare are expected to be there helping out. We often work at "welfare farms". These are farms that grow food for the "Bishop's Storehouse". Welfare recipients are expected to help out on the farms. They are also expected to work i nthe Storehouses when the ward has an assignment there.

We verify, because we see them there. However, the Bishop is generally the only one in the Ward who knows who is on welfare.

Again, how can you verify that the bishop isn't in on the scam? You have not presented any evidence that there is less fraud, waste, or abuse in your system than the government one.

All you have convinced me of is that your Church is employing people in an inefficient make-work program. Your own system resembles every complaint you have about the government system more and more by the minute.

[Peisandros]

It's funny because this thread was over after the first page - it's all I needed to read. Pwnage, welfare style.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

Dont like it, dont do it. Give to your own church. Whatever. Just dont force me to give.

You aren't though. You don't pay taxes unless you make an income. If welfare is so awesome, you could just stop making income.

amusingly enough, welfare benefits are taxable (I know, I know, it makes my head hurt too).

Yeah, but if it's a "hand out" then it wasn't "your" money to begin with that you're paying taxes with.

[Robarya]

Are you FREAKING kidding me? Free phone for welfare recipients? What's next, free cadillacs? Then we will make lawyers all kinds of rich litigating "driving while calling" for the poor.

https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Enroll ... /home.aspx

I am SERIOUSLY thinking about quitting my job, applying for welfare and spending my time playing video games and being with my wife.

This is the final straw.

Go ahead, by all means. But is it worth it then? I mean, how much can you get out of welfare, and will it cover your expenses? And yes, I'm serious. You might need to spend some more of your time on entertaining yourself & being with your wife.

I have personally only worked ~3 months of my life so far (I'm in my early 20's, though), and right now I live off savings and ~300€/month that I get for being unemployed. I can personally live decently on this, at least so far, and if I have to, I will go and get myself a job.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

Dont like it, dont do it. Give to your own church. Whatever. Just dont force me to give.

You aren't though. You don't pay taxes unless you make an income. If welfare is so awesome, you could just stop making income.

yeah, so I can get a rebate for money I never paid?

What are you talking about? If welfare is all free cars and free iphones for people who don't work, then why don't you just stop working and start collecting welfare? You don't have to pay any taxes that way.

[Sdaeriji]

Dont like it, dont do it. Give to your own church. Whatever. Just dont force me to give.

You aren't though. You don't pay taxes unless you make an income. If welfare is so awesome, you could just stop making income.

amusingly enough, welfare benefits are taxable (I know, I know, it makes my head hurt too).

Even better is that, while they are taxable, taxes are not automatically taken out like regular payroll checks do. So, a person on welfare ends up owing a huge check to the government come April 15.

[Neo Art]

Dont like it, dont do it. Give to your own church. Whatever. Just dont force me to give.

You aren't though. You don't pay taxes unless you make an income. If welfare is so awesome, you could just stop making income.

amusingly enough, welfare benefits are taxable (I know, I know, it makes my head hurt too).

Even better is that, while they are taxable, taxes are not automatically taken out like regular payroll checks do. So, a person on welfare ends up owing a huge check to the government come April 15.

in Massachusetts at least you can elect to have taxes taken out of your unemployment check. And there's a nice federal exemption in place right now.

[KiloMikeAlpha]

Dont like it, dont do it. Give to your own church. Whatever. Just dont force me to give.

You aren't though. You don't pay taxes unless you make an income. If welfare is so awesome, you could just stop making income.

yeah, so I can get a rebate for money I never paid?

What are you talking about? If welfare is all free cars and free iphones for people who don't work, then why don't you just stop working and start collecting welfare? You don't have to pay any taxes that way.

No. if you are exempt from paying taxes, or your tax bill ends up at zero, you can then get a rebate (Child tax credits etc) that allow you to get a tax refund even if you have not paid any taxes.

[Sumamba Buwhan]

KMA, thanks to your program I am now living on welfare and am inviting all of NSG over for a BBQ!

It's a rough neighborhood



so I'll send a limo to pick you up


You are a genius!

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

Dont like it, dont do it. Give to your own church. Whatever. Just dont force me to give.

You aren't though. You don't pay taxes unless you make an income. If welfare is so awesome, you could just stop making income.

yeah, so I can get a rebate for money I never paid?

What are you talking about? If welfare is all free cars and free iphones for people who don't work, then why don't you just stop working and start collecting welfare? You don't have to pay any taxes that way.

No. if you are exempt from paying taxes, or your tax bill ends up at zero, you can then get a rebate (Child tax credits etc) that allow you to get a tax refund even if you have not paid any taxes.

How is that relevant to anything I just said?

[Yenke-Bin]

IIRC, this has been in place since GWB was in office, but has been changed from landlines to mobile phones.

[NotnotgnimmiJymmiJ]

IIRC, this has been in place since GWB was in office, but has been changed from landlines to mobile phones.

According to Snopes, the program started under Conservative intellectual leader Ronald Reagan.

[Yenke-Bin]

IIRC, this has been in place since GWB was in office, but has been changed from landlines to mobile phones.

According to Snopes, the program started under Conservative intellectual leader Ronald Reagan.

Well, I was wrong.

[Jocabia]

So in other words, you were lying. You're not going on welfare. It's not a better lifestyle for you. And you're all bluster. Got it.

[Liuzzo]

Are you FREAKING kidding me? Free phone for welfare recipients? What's next, free cadillacs? Then we will make lawyers all kinds of rich litigating "driving while calling" for the poor.

https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Enroll ... /home.aspx

I am SERIOUSLY thinking about quitting my job, applying for welfare and spending my time playing video games and being with my wife.

This is the final straw.

I can't imagine 68 minutes/month on what is probably a recycled phone costs the government that much. The way I see it, you need a working phone number to put on a job application so you can get OFF of welfare. The government probably saves more money than it spends, but your outrage is cute.

I was going to say the same. They need a number for a job to get off welfare.

[Liuzzo]

Fine if cell phones are so cheap, give them to everyone. Create a mandate that ALL citizens get free phones with certain basic services. If you want to add more then it is up to you.

*I* cant even afford the phones *I* have. And part of that is because the taxes and surcharges that I pay go for this stupid handout system. Ever hear of a PAYPHONE?

Try finding a pay phone these days. Then find one that actally works and doesn't have gum in the coin slot.

[The Romulan Republic]

Are you FREAKING kidding me? Free phone for welfare recipients? What's next, free cadillacs? Then we will make lawyers all kinds of rich litigating "driving while calling" for the poor.

https://www.safelinkwireless.com/Enroll ... /home.aspx

I am SERIOUSLY thinking about quitting my job, applying for welfare and spending my time playing video games and being with my wife.

This is the final straw.

A cell phone is not just a luxury item, but can actually be damn useful for trying to find a job,* which I thought was what people on Welfare were supposed to be trying to do.



*As someone who is currently looking for employment, I can definitely attest to this from personal experience.

[Peisandros]

KiloMike, man, you gotta stop yourself from getting systematically owned!! It can't be good for your health.