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Will you get the H1N1 vaccine? (or have already gotten it?)

Yes.
35
28%
No.
71
58%
Undecided.
17
14%
 
Total votes : 123

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Hamilay
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Postby Hamilay » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:27 pm

Probably eventually. I don't see how the swine flu vaccine can be rushed and unsafe when seasonal flu vaccines are rolled out in almost the same time frame, which I have yearly without problems.

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Kantria
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Postby Kantria » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:31 pm

Bergnovinaia wrote:Never had the flu, never wil. I never get the vaccines either... What gets me though, is that the world freaks out becuase we add "swine" in front of a common illness that targets a different age group. News flash, the normal flu kills more people than the swine flu!


I haven't "freaked out", but I still think it's a good idea to get vaccinated if you're at risk of serious illness. Again, just because the statistics say people are unlikely to be killed doesn't mean they can't be even if they don't take the proper precautions.

If you're young and healthy, great—you probably don't need it. If you're not, well, go ahead and take your chances if you feel it's not a huge risk, but remember that now a different set of statistics apply to you and they're not quite as favorable.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:33 pm

Kantria wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:Never had the flu, never wil. I never get the vaccines either... What gets me though, is that the world freaks out becuase we add "swine" in front of a common illness that targets a different age group. News flash, the normal flu kills more people than the swine flu!


I haven't "freaked out", but I still think it's a good idea to get vaccinated if you're at risk of serious illness. Again, just because the statistics say people are unlikely to be killed doesn't mean they can't be even if they don't take the proper precautions.

If you're young and healthy, great—you probably don't need it. If you're not, well, go ahead and take your chances if you feel it's not a huge risk, but remember that now a different set of statistics apply to you and they're not quite as favorable.


I guess the main problem with H1N1 is that, unlike the regular flu, it has attacked young people too. I'm 29, and I got it 2 months ago. All I can say is that, unless you work directly with sick people or with public, getting the shot isn't necessary. Just my 2 cents.
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:35 pm

Kantria wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:Never had the flu, never wil. I never get the vaccines either... What gets me though, is that the world freaks out becuase we add "swine" in front of a common illness that targets a different age group. News flash, the normal flu kills more people than the swine flu!


I haven't "freaked out", but I still think it's a good idea to get vaccinated if you're at risk of serious illness. Again, just because the statistics say people are unlikely to be killed doesn't mean they can't be even if they don't take the proper precautions.

If you're young and healthy, great—you probably don't need it. If you're not, well, go ahead and take your chances if you feel it's not a huge risk, but remember that now a different set of statistics apply to you and they're not quite as favorable.


I completely agree. Like the normal flu, if you have health complications with it, such as neumonia (which cannot spell), of course you should get the shot! If your healthy, no need.
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Kantria
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Postby Kantria » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:36 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Kantria wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:Never had the flu, never wil. I never get the vaccines either... What gets me though, is that the world freaks out becuase we add "swine" in front of a common illness that targets a different age group. News flash, the normal flu kills more people than the swine flu!


I haven't "freaked out", but I still think it's a good idea to get vaccinated if you're at risk of serious illness. Again, just because the statistics say people are unlikely to be killed doesn't mean they can't be even if they don't take the proper precautions.

If you're young and healthy, great—you probably don't need it. If you're not, well, go ahead and take your chances if you feel it's not a huge risk, but remember that now a different set of statistics apply to you and they're not quite as favorable.


I guess the main problem with H1N1 is that, unlike the regular flu, it has attacked young people too. I'm 29, and I got it 2 months ago. All I can say is that, unless you work directly with sick people or with public, getting the shot isn't necessary. Just my 2 cents.


Key word being "healthy". You can get the flu, including H1N1, and not be at serious risk of death if you're healthy. "Serious illness", in my post, meant "reasonable chance to die even with treatment".
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Hamilay
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Postby Hamilay » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:36 pm

If you're healthy, it's still worth getting flu vaccines if, y'know, you don't want to get the flu. Just saying.

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Bergnovinaia
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Postby Bergnovinaia » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:39 pm

Hamilay wrote:If you're healthy, it's still worth getting flu vaccines if, y'know, you don't want to get the flu. Just saying.


I'll be the last person to get the flu shot since I am the most healthy. Little kids, the elderly, and people with health complications should get it before I do. I live in az and we barey have enough shots to vaccinate 5 % of the school children.
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Dakini
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Postby Dakini » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:40 pm

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Biological warfare against the muslims and jews.

Mexico is well known for colluding with the American government in this sort of thing. *nods*

No, you've clearly got it backwards. It's a Jewish mind control conspiracy. They know none of their people will be affected, but everyone else will. They're still developing a plan for the Muslims because they didn't buy the "you can eat pig now" argument.


...unless the Muslims are in on it now.... :unsure:

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Walabamba
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Postby Walabamba » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:40 pm

exactly, I for one am going to get it, and as for the healthy versus not healthy thing, there were 2 kids in Canada 10 and 13 years old, not in the target group, totally healthy both played sports, in three days they went from headaches to ventilaters than death, so I think its a god idea to get the vaccine
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Kantria
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Postby Kantria » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:40 pm

Hamilay wrote:If you're healthy, it's still worth getting flu vaccines if, y'know, you don't want to get the flu. Just saying.


Of course it is, but some folks are only motivated by the threat of mortal danger. For most people, that threat just doesn't exist.
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Postby Dakini » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:40 pm

Hamilay wrote:If you're healthy, it's still worth getting flu vaccines if, y'know, you don't want to get the flu. Just saying.

Or you could not get the vaccine if you don't want to be in bed for a week with "flu-like symptoms".

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Domminus
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Postby Domminus » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:40 pm

Bergnovinaia wrote:I completely agree. Like the normal flu, if you have health complications with it, such as neumonia (which cannot spell), of course you should get the shot! If your healthy, no need.


I think once you get health complications from it, it's a little late to get the shot....

Yes, I knew what you meant, but it was no fun that way.

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Dakini
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Postby Dakini » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:42 pm

Walabamba wrote:exactly, I for one am going to get it, and as for the healthy versus not healthy thing, there were 2 kids in Canada 10 and 13 years old, not in the target group, totally healthy both played sports, in three days they went from headaches to ventilaters than death, so I think its a god idea to get the vaccine

One 13 year old kid from Canada who was "healthy" but previously needed puffers for coughs... I'm not sure how perfectly healthy this kid was. I've never needed a puffer when I've had a cough and I don't know of anyone else who has.

I haven't heard about the 10 year old.
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Kharsus
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Postby Kharsus » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:47 pm

Already got swine flu, so therefore i am now immune to it, also, it wasn't bad at all. I don't know what all the fuss is about, it's only people with already serious health problems that are even threatened by it.
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Postby Diamagra » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:51 pm

Bergnovinaia wrote:Never had the flu, never wil. I never get the vaccines either... What gets me though, is that the world freaks out becuase we add "swine" in front of a common illness that targets a different age group. News flash, the normal flu kills more people than the swine flu!


:palm:
Seriously, this is getting annoying.
a) The swine flu kills young and healthy people, not the old and already weak ones as the normal flu.
b) It's not about total numbers. The swine flu could just stay as it is right now and kill quite a few young people that would normally not have a problem with the flu. Tragic, sure, but not horrifying. The problem is that this virus could mutate and become way more dangerous. The seasonal flu mutates too, each year a little so some of us get sick again. Oh yeah, evolution at work, I love it. The difference with the swine flu is that nobody has any immunity. It has the potential to for a pandemic!

If the seasonal flu mutates, we get another seasonal flu, some get sick, most don't. Let's make this extra clear: Even if the seasonal flu gets more aggressive and has suddenly a higher mortality rate, this would not be that bad since a lot of people have a natural immunity.
If the swine flu mutates into something more aggressive, we are royally fucked.

Watch this! You don't even have to watch the whole 10 minutes.
But please, inform yourself. This is getting annoying...
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Takaram
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Postby Takaram » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:52 pm

Diamagra wrote:
Bergnovinaia wrote:Never had the flu, never wil. I never get the vaccines either... What gets me though, is that the world freaks out becuase we add "swine" in front of a common illness that targets a different age group. News flash, the normal flu kills more people than the swine flu!


:palm:
Seriously, this is getting annoying.
a) The swine flu kills young and healthy people, not the old and already weak ones as the normal flu.
b) It's not about total numbers. The swine flu could just stay as it is right now and kill quite a few young people that would normally not have a problem with the flu. Tragic, sure, but not horrifying. The problem is that this virus could mutate and become way more dangerous. The seasonal flu mutates too, each year a little so some of us get sick again. Oh yeah, evolution at work, I love it. The difference with the swine flu is that nobody has any immunity. It has the potential to for a pandemic!

If the seasonal flu mutates, we get another seasonal flu, some get sick, most don't. Let's make this extra clear: Even if the seasonal flu gets more aggressive and has suddenly a higher mortality rate, this would not be that bad since a lot of people have a natural immunity.
If the swine flu mutates into something more aggressive, we are royally fucked.

Watch this! You don't even have to watch the whole 10 minutes.
But please, inform yourself. This is getting annoying...


You do realize that we have had swine flu before, right?

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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Oct 28, 2009 5:58 pm

Takaram wrote:You do realize that we have had swine flu before, right?


When?

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Postby Tunizcha » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:00 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Takaram wrote:You do realize that we have had swine flu before, right?


When?


1918, 1976, 1988, 1998, 2007.
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Postby Fartsniffage » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:02 pm

Tunizcha wrote:1918, 1976, 1988, 1998, 2007.


1918 hasn't been confirmed as swine flu and most of the people who developed a resistance are already dead, not much help there.

The other outbreaks never left their immediate local, no chance for resistance to build up there either.
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Postby Dakini » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:02 pm

Tunizcha wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Takaram wrote:You do realize that we have had swine flu before, right?


When?


1918, 1976, 1988, 1998, 2007.

Plus the regular seasonal flu is often H1N1 of some variety.

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Postby Dakini » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:03 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:The other outbreaks never left their immediate local, no chance for resistance to build up there either.

Which is why older adults are displaying immunity to the current round... hence the low infection/hospitalization rate for people born before 1958 or so.

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Tunizcha
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Postby Tunizcha » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:05 pm

Fartsniffage wrote:
Tunizcha wrote:1918, 1976, 1988, 1998, 2007.


1918 hasn't been confirmed as swine flu and most of the people who developed a resistance are already dead, not much help there.

The other outbreaks never left their immediate local, no chance for resistance to build up there either.


Well, we still have H5N1.
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Dakini
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Postby Dakini » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:06 pm

Tunizcha wrote:
Fartsniffage wrote:
Tunizcha wrote:1918, 1976, 1988, 1998, 2007.


1918 hasn't been confirmed as swine flu and most of the people who developed a resistance are already dead, not much help there.

The other outbreaks never left their immediate local, no chance for resistance to build up there either.


Well, we still have H5N1.

Yeah, that one's scarier. If it ever mutates so human-human transmission is easy, then that will be bad.

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Postby Milks Empire » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:07 pm

I probably should. High-risk group (asthmatic).

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Postby BrightonBurg » Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:10 pm

Not only did I vote no, I mean a big giant HELL NO, I will not take some beta tested half assed vaccine.

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