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Imperial Nilfgaard
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:17 pm

Seperates wrote:
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History is the ultimate judge of honor.

So only the victors are honorable?


Overall yes, but there are elements of the vanquished that also deserve praise provided they fought hard and were uncompromising.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:18 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Why not both? :P

Because I have no one to watch the train wreck with. It's less fun when you can't do half sentences with someone else as you both laugh at the horror.

We should all arrange an IRC for a movie screening of Atlas Derped, parts 1, 2, and upcoming 3. *nod*
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:18 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Answer the question, Nilfgaard...


Anybody is able to get ahead in this world and successfully manipulate others has proven themselves to be worthy of praise.
Success deserves praise. Failure deserves contempt.

Manipulation of others seems to be a prerequisite of becoming influential and powerful, its also a symptom of being a psychopath.
Think about that for a minute.
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Postby Conscentia » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:19 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Anybody is able to get ahead in this world and successfully manipulate others has proven themselves to be worthy of praise.
Why do you think this?
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Success deserves praise. Failure deserves contempt.

· Success & failure are subjective.
· Why do you think this?
· Even the success of an individual was at the expense of many others?

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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:19 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:So only the victors are honorable?


Overall yes, but there are elements of the vanquished that also deserve praise provided they fought hard and were uncompromising.

So you consider surrendering to spare the lives of your men dishonorable?
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:19 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Because I have no one to watch the train wreck with. It's less fun when you can't do half sentences with someone else as you both laugh at the horror.

We should all arrange an IRC for a movie screening of Atlas Derped, parts 1, 2, and upcoming 3. *nod*

In which "the speech" will be given by someone who has memorized 500,000 digits of Pi.

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:19 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:So only the victors are honorable?

Overall yes, but there are elements of the vanquished that also deserve praise provided they fought hard and were uncompromising.

Let me guess, you're a nazilover.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:19 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Because I have no one to watch the train wreck with. It's less fun when you can't do half sentences with someone else as you both laugh at the horror.

We should all arrange an IRC for a movie screening of Atlas Derped, parts 1, 2, and upcoming 3. *nod*


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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:20 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:We should all arrange an IRC for a movie screening of Atlas Derped, parts 1, 2, and upcoming 3. *nod*

In which "the speech" will be given by someone who has memorized 500,000 digits of Pi.

Oh gods... the speech, in the book, was apparently 3 hours long... that could be its own movie. *shudders*
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:20 pm

Seperates wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Overall yes, but there are elements of the vanquished that also deserve praise provided they fought hard and were uncompromising.

So you consider surrendering to spare the lives of your men dishonorable?


It depends on the specific circumstance. If there was a chance for victory otherwise then absolutely.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:20 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:We should all arrange an IRC for a movie screening of Atlas Derped, parts 1, 2, and upcoming 3. *nod*

why do you hate us so?

I'm a masochist, maybe a bit sadist, but mostly masochist. *nod*
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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:20 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:In which "the speech" will be given by someone who has memorized 500,000 digits of Pi.

Oh gods... the speech, in the book, was apparently 3 hours long... that could be its own movie. *shudders*

The world's first villian monologue.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:21 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:So you consider surrendering to spare the lives of your men dishonorable?


It depends on the specific circumstance. If there was a chance for victory otherwise then absolutely.

What if the chance was so low that it was not worth the cost?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

Non fui, fui, non sum, non curo

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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:21 pm

Ethel mermania wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:We should all arrange an IRC for a movie screening of Atlas Derped, parts 1, 2, and upcoming 3. *nod*


why do you hate us so?

She's AZN, that's their thing.

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:In which "the speech" will be given by someone who has memorized 500,000 digits of Pi.

Oh gods... the speech, in the book, was apparently 3 hours long... that could be its own movie. *shudders*


Imagine the promo posters for it.

"You'll be riveted while someone talks about the purple elephants for three hours! ...what? It wasn't purple elephants? Oh, sorry, I blanked out about 23 minutes in and only came out of my torpor when the usher checked for vitals."

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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:22 pm

Seperates wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Oh gods... the speech, in the book, was apparently 3 hours long... that could be its own movie. *shudders*

The world's first villian monologue.

Nah, villains have done monologues. It's just that usually the villains are also the antagonists, whereas Galt's the hero of Atlas Derped.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:22 pm

Seperates wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Anybody is able to get ahead in this world and successfully manipulate others has proven themselves to be worthy of praise.
Success deserves praise. Failure deserves contempt.

You are obviously not a man of science...


I am a man of reason, as well as a strict Darwinian.
Down with the Banderovists!
Remember Odessa!
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Postby Genivaria » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:22 pm

Seperates wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
It depends on the specific circumstance. If there was a chance for victory otherwise then absolutely.

What if the chance was so low that it was not worth the cost?

Like, surrendering to the Imperial Japanese for example?
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:22 pm

Seperates wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
It depends on the specific circumstance. If there was a chance for victory otherwise then absolutely.

What if the chance was so low that it was not worth the cost?


Give us an example.
Down with the Banderovists!
Remember Odessa!
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это часть России. Россия Своих Не Бросает!

We are the Great Souled Men of NS.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:23 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Oh gods... the speech, in the book, was apparently 3 hours long... that could be its own movie. *shudders*

Imagine the promo posters for it.

"You'll be riveted while someone talks about the purple elephants for three hours! ...what? It wasn't purple elephants? Oh, sorry, I blanked out about 23 minutes in and only came out of my torpor when the usher checked for vitals."

:lol2: "So great, doctors recommend it as a sleep aid!"
"I should have listened to her, so hard to keep control. We kept on eating but our bloated bellies still not full."
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Postby Xathranaar » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:23 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:You are obviously not a man of science...


I am a man of reason, as well as a strict Darwinian.

Darwin wasn't even a Darwinian.
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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:23 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
Seperates wrote:The world's first villian monologue.

Nah, villains have done monologues. It's just that usually the villains are also the antagonists, whereas Galt's the hero of Atlas Derped.

I look at the book as society (the hero) fighting against Galt (the villian). It reads more interestingly that way.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Genivaria » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:23 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:You are obviously not a man of science...


I am a man of reason, as well as a strict Darwinian.

Those two are mutually exclusive.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:24 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:Imagine the promo posters for it.

"You'll be riveted while someone talks about the purple elephants for three hours! ...what? It wasn't purple elephants? Oh, sorry, I blanked out about 23 minutes in and only came out of my torpor when the usher checked for vitals."

:lol2: "So great, doctors recommend it as a sleep aid!"

And it's completely non-addictive! No known side-effects other than a unyielding fear of Libertarians.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:24 pm

Seperates wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Nah, villains have done monologues. It's just that usually the villains are also the antagonists, whereas Galt's the hero of Atlas Derped.

I look at the book as society (the hero) fighting against Galt (the villian). It reads more interestingly that way.

But society loses in the end....
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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:25 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:What if the chance was so low that it was not worth the cost?


Give us an example.

Would you consider the surrender of Japan to America as dishonorable?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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