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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:09 pm

Seperates wrote:
Hurdegaryp wrote:Things Strykla apparently values dearly. But Strykla does not need to worry, since the tendency of people to violate the inherent rights of other people will pretty much guarantee that the concept of "honor" will fester for years to come.

Perhaps honor is an 'inherent right'?


Heavens no. Honor must be earned. To make claim to honor without merit is nothing short of vanity. Pathetic vanity.
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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:09 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:Or he has the money to pay people to do it for him.


Either way, he is successfully manipulating people for his own advancement. This action deserves praise.

Not really. All he is doing is throwing money at people. Even I can do that, provided I have the money. It's the people who he pays that deserve praise.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:09 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:I'm imagining an entire version with scenes from that god awful movie version of Atlas Derped. Just choose the herpiest possible scenes and string it together to the "new" version of "Head Like A Hole".

Part 1 or Part 2 of Atlas Derped?

...Oh god the movie was a two parter?

Who could possibly countenance doing that to those poor actors....

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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:10 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:Perhaps honor is an 'inherent right'?


Heavens no. Honor must be earned. To make claim to honor without merit is nothing short of vanity. Pathetic vanity.

Then from whence comes honor?
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:10 pm

Seperates wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Either way, he is successfully manipulating people for his own advancement. This action deserves praise.

Not really. All he is doing is throwing money at people. Even I can do that, provided I have the money.


Exactly
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:11 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:Part 1 or Part 2 of Atlas Derped?

...Oh god the movie was a two parter?

Who could possibly countenance doing that to those poor actors....

There's going to be a third part. So yes.

And the actors hated it so much they had to bring in a whole new cast between Parts 1 and 2.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:11 pm

Seperates wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Heavens no. Honor must be earned. To make claim to honor without merit is nothing short of vanity. Pathetic vanity.

Then from whence comes honor?

From loudmouths claiming they've got more honor than others and automatically deserve respect without having done anything to actually earn it.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:12 pm

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Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Heavens no. Honor must be earned. To make claim to honor without merit is nothing short of vanity. Pathetic vanity.

Then from whence comes honor?


History is the ultimate judge of honor.
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Postby The United Planet » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:12 pm

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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:13 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Seperates wrote:Then from whence comes honor?

From loudmouths claiming they've got more honor than others and automatically deserve respect without having done anything to actually earn it.

I assume you speak of celebrities... Vanity is strong in that pursuit.
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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:13 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:Not really. All he is doing is throwing money at people. Even I can do that, provided I have the money.


Your answered your own question.

He inherited a significant amount of his money, and a significant amount of his contacts on the inside of the business, from his father. That's not earning anything. It's not even praise worthy.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:14 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:...Oh god the movie was a two parter?

Who could possibly countenance doing that to those poor actors....

There's going to be a third part. So yes.

And the actors hated it so much they had to bring in a whole new cast between Parts 1 and 2.

...I'm torn between laughing and buying popcorn just to watch the trainwreck in motion.

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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:14 pm

Can we stop with Great Souled stuff NOW?
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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:14 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:Then from whence comes honor?


History is the ultimate judge of honor.

So only the victors are honorable?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Ethel mermania » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:14 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:The middle ages enabled some men to be successful, but not others. Generally the great do not work alone, as ideas do not form in a vacuum. Paraphrasing, Issac Newton once said, 'I have only seen further by standing on the shoulders of giants.' There were likely men of Newton's calibre in the middle Ages, but they did not have the same access to the matierials Newton had.

At least you are being consistent in your praise.

Then how do you explain Donald Trump?


Donald Trump is just a very clever individual who acts the fool to manipulate sheep to his designs.

That is the only explanation we have for his success.


no, fred trump is the reason for the donalds sucess. his father was indeed a great man. no matter what donald does, he will always have money from the works fred did. real estate trusts are an amazing thing.
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Postby Individuality-ness » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:14 pm

The Emerald Dawn wrote:
Individuality-ness wrote:There's going to be a third part. So yes.

And the actors hated it so much they had to bring in a whole new cast between Parts 1 and 2.

...I'm torn between laughing and buying popcorn just to watch the trainwreck in motion.

Why not both? :P
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Postby Arkinesia » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:15 pm

Equal opportunity is a good thing.
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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:15 pm

Conscentia wrote:Answer the question, Nilfgaard...
Conscentia wrote:Why do you think that?


Anybody is able to get ahead in this world and successfully manipulate others has proven themselves to be worthy of praise.
Success deserves praise. Failure deserves contempt.
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Postby Flaxxony-Setram » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:15 pm

Purpelia wrote:Equality should be the end goal of any society. From each according to his abilities. To each according to his needs.


So I should have 20 kids I cannot support and say "remember, to each according to his needs! Pay up neighbor"

That mantra basically states that costs should be detatched from benefit; very dangerous
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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:16 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Conscentia wrote:Answer the question, Nilfgaard...


Anybody is able to get ahead in this world and successfully manipulate others has proven themselves to be worthy of praise.
Success deserves praise. Failure deserves contempt.

You are obviously not a man of science...
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:16 pm

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Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Your answered your own question.

He inherited a significant amount of his money, and a significant amount of his contacts on the inside of the business, from his father. That's not earning anything. It's not even praise worthy.


If that is indeed the case, history will ultimately judge him as vain.
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Postby The Emerald Dawn » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:16 pm

Individuality-ness wrote:
The Emerald Dawn wrote:...I'm torn between laughing and buying popcorn just to watch the trainwreck in motion.

Why not both? :P

Because I have no one to watch the train wreck with. It's less fun when you can't do half sentences with someone else as you both laugh at the horror.

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Postby Consortium of Manchukuo » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:16 pm

Depends on the type of equality. Equality of Opportunity is good. It allows people to make their way upward in life if they have the drive and ability to do so. Equality of outcomes is, well, not so good. I, being an American type Liberal, would also say that our society overall should have an active role in encouraging this equality of opportunity. There are some things that I like as well such as the Progressive Income Tax, Strong Social Safety Net, Public Healthcare, the likes of such programs that might be seen as equality of results. However, in my opinion these simply increase equality of opportunity with a greater ability for the People to succeed, as well as providing an increased measure of efficiency to some sectors. Although I still agree that private enterprise is best in the majority of economic fields.
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Postby Seperates » Mon Feb 11, 2013 3:17 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:
Seperates wrote:He inherited a significant amount of his money, and a significant amount of his contacts on the inside of the business, from his father. That's not earning anything. It's not even praise worthy.


If that is indeed the case, history will ultimately judge him as vain.

So, then you admit that he is wealthy and successful because of circumstance?
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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