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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:46 pm

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Valtakuntia wrote:Like it or not, Mexico’s problems are our problems. For decades, politicians in Washington have cowardly turned a bi-partisan blind eye to the economic refugees (i.e., illegal aliens) that have transgressed our borders until it has become an unbearable strain upon our economy. Then, rather than securing our border and addressing the problem, the immigrants are now being used as political pawns in order to create a huge pool of 8 million progressive voters.

Should the U.S. invade Mexico and/or annex it as the 51st state? I personally think it should.

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Postby Big Jim P » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:46 pm

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Big Jim P wrote:Why? The only thing Mexico has that we want is cheap labor and they are already here.

What about tequila and hookers?


Point on the tequila. Hookers are a dime a dozen anywhere though.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:46 pm

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Mitt Romney would fit in better. He is the son of Mexican immigrants after all.

(Insert polygamy joke here)

Federal efforts to do away with polygamy is why those Mormons moved to Mexico in the first place.
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Postby SaintB » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:46 pm

Benuty wrote:
Costa Alegria wrote:
Mitt Romney would fit in better. He is the son of Mexican immigrants after all.

(Insert polygamy joke here)

How about - He fits into a lot of places
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Postby Valtakuntia » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:46 pm

Trefeqia wrote:It would just create more problems for both nations.


But the catch is, it wouldn't be both nations, it would just be the one.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:47 pm

Valtakuntia wrote:
Trefeqia wrote:It would just create more problems for both nations.


But the catch is, it wouldn't be both nations, it would just be the one.

Which is so much better. :ugeek:
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:48 pm

Valtakuntia wrote:
Trefeqia wrote:It would just create more problems for both nations.


But the catch is, it wouldn't be both nations, it would just be the one.

One nation with a huge insurgency problem.
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Postby Frebastan » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:48 pm

Fuck no. That's imperialism and the US would probably be harshly condemned for that. I know that I would harshly condemn an invasion of Mexico. *shakes head*
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Postby Valtakuntia » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:49 pm

Frebastan wrote:Fuck no. That's imperialism and the US would probably be harshly condemned for that. I know that I would harshly condemn an invasion of Mexico. *shakes head*


Oh, the horror!
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Postby Czechanada » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:49 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Valtakuntia wrote:
But the catch is, it wouldn't be both nations, it would just be the one.

One nation with a huge insurgency problem.


Technically, it would be two nations in one state with an insurgency problem.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:49 pm

Frebastan wrote:Fuck no. That's imperialism and the US would probably be harshly condemned for that. I know that I would harshly condemn an invasion of Mexico. *shakes head*

We'll just do it while you're asleep.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:49 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:One nation with a huge insurgency problem.


Technically, it would be two nations in one state with an insurgency problem.

What?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:50 pm

Do you just not have any fucking idea how geopolitics works?

Because that's a terrible idea on every conceivable level.
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Postby Torsiedelle » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:50 pm

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Yes because it would end the need for maintaining a border south of the 48 states, could probably run it better than current government, and more land.

No because it would cost a lot of money to fight a war (Even though a part of me says it wouldn't take that long to fight), it would give the world the impression that we are an Evil Empiretm, and of all of the paper work of making people become citizens.

Those are my reasons, I remain neutral on this though.

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Postby Czechanada » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:51 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
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Technically, it would be two nations in one state with an insurgency problem.

What?


Mexico is still a seperate nation; Annexing the Mexican state wouldn't get rid of it.

So American would be comprised of more than one nation.
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Postby Valtakuntia » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:51 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Czechanada wrote:
Technically, it would be two nations in one state with an insurgency problem.

What?


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Postby Benuty » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:51 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:One nation with a huge insurgency problem.


Technically, it would be two nations in one state with an insurgency problem.

Mexico is suffering a case of banana republic syndrome except with drug cartels and not marxist rebels.
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:51 pm

Czechanada wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:What?


Mexico is still a seperate nation; Annexing the Mexican state wouldn't get rid of it.

So American would be comprised of more than one nation.

No, if we win and declare them to be part of us, they're part of us. I'm not saying we should, of course.
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Postby Nua Corda » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:52 pm

Given that we've already tried to annex Canada and failed, I doubt we could succeed against Mexico.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:52 pm

Valtakuntia wrote:
Frebastan wrote:Fuck no. That's imperialism and the US would probably be harshly condemned for that. I know that I would harshly condemn an invasion of Mexico. *shakes head*


Oh, the horror!

What about the massive social and economic problems that would come with it? Or the streams of illegal immigrants coming from various Central American countries without Mexico to act as a buffer? The international condemnation and probable sanctions? Mass domestic outcry? Have you even considered the cost in money and lives, both American and Mexican, that would come with an invasion and subsequent occupation lasting years at the very least and more likely decades?
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Postby Farnhamia » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:52 pm

Nua Corda wrote:Given that we've already tried to annex Canada and failed, I doubt we could succeed against Mexico.

We did once, quite handily. Snipped off the parts of the country we wanted and that was that.
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Postby Grand Europa » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:53 pm

Frebastan wrote:Fuck no. That's imperialism and the US would probably be harshly condemned for that. I know that I would harshly condemn an invasion of Mexico. *shakes head*

What are they gonna do? Sanction us?
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:54 pm

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Oh, the horror!

What about the massive social and economic problems that would come with it? Or the streams of illegal immigrants coming from various Central American countries without Mexico to act as a buffer? The international condemnation and probable sanctions? Mass domestic outcry? Have you even considered the cost in money and lives, both American and Mexican, that would come with an invasion and subsequent occupation lasting years at the very least and more likely decades?

Don't forget economic ruin.
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Postby Nua Corda » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:54 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:Given that we've already tried to annex Canada and failed, I doubt we could succeed against Mexico.

We did once, quite handily. Snipped off the parts of the country we wanted and that was that.


True. Maybe we should just give Texas back?
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Postby Germanic Templars » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:54 pm

Nua Corda wrote:Given that we've already tried to annex Canada and failed, I doubt we could succeed against Mexico.


There's a difference between Mexico and Canada. And we fought Mexico before and won, so to do it again, we would win. (Almost sounds a bit jingoistic there)

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