The Catholic Church: An Organisation of Evil

[Valcouria]

What is a shame is that the abhorrent practices of modern society are considered 'progressive' and 'acceptable.'

Morality is subjective, and yours is outdated.

Society is judged on particular social mores...mores that the Church has admirably upheld even in the face of venomous 'modern' ideas.

[Gaveo]

If the Catholic Church is a organization of evil, that must mean I'm the laziest operative they have. Damn it. I have brought shame to my family.

[North Stradia]

Morality is subjective, and yours is outdated.

Society is judged on particular social mores...mores that the Church has admirably upheld even in the face of venomous 'modern' ideas.

Again, morality is subjective, although I think it is sensible to reject your venomous, outdated, ideas of sexism and homophobia.

[Yorkopolis]

In my personal opinion I view the Catholic Church as a corporate organisation, and, from what I have read and learned about the bible, it actually goes directly against the teachings of the bible. It was endlessly greedy in the time of Luther and Calvin, and its resent condonement and protection of pedophiles has made me more and more disgusted at it, as well as its ungrounded social conservatism.

[Typhlochactas]

Feel free to ignore the church's support, at some points, for the holocaust.

Which is why the Pope hid Jews in Vatican owned buildings, sure

Wouldn't have needed to hide most of them if they didn't give the Nazis genealogical records to trace people's Jewish ancestry.

[Southern Louisiane]

Eh. I think you're making a mistake with that post. It's kinda like saying that the modern German government is evil based on Nazi crimes, except that's all quite a bit more recent.

If you really want to make a case that the catholic curch is an organization of evil, you need to see at the wrongs they're doing today (and there's quite a few) but then you also have to juxtapose it with the good they do (and that exists as well).

Sorry if the title is a little misleading; the topic is about how the Church was a negative force.

Alot of things are more negative than the Catholic church, why focus just on this?
This being the church.

[Southern Louisiane]

Which is why the Pope hid Jews in Vatican owned buildings, sure

Wouldn't have needed to hide most of them if they didn't give the Nazis genealogical records to trace people's Jewish ancestry.

Source?

[Ganos Lao]

It, of course, constitutes only one particular sect of Christianity, with Protestantism being the alternate sect.

I think you're forgetting the two brands of Orthodox Christianity and Anglicanism.

[Valcouria]

Society is judged on particular social mores...mores that the Church has admirably upheld even in the face of venomous 'modern' ideas.

Again, morality is subjective, although I think it is sensible to reject your venomous, outdated, ideas of sexism and homophobia.

Some would call it that...I would be apt to refer to it as upholding the traditional societal standards that have functioned perfectly for the past millennium.

[Nationalist State of Knox]

It, of course, constitutes only one particular sect of Christianity, with Protestantism being the alternate sect.

I think you're forgetting the two brands of Orthodox Christianity and Anglicanism. I know this is a thread about Catholicism and all, but I'm a stickler for errors like these.

Such sects do not exist.

[Hornesia]

I used to be a Catholic, I still would be if I didn't get bullied in Sunday School worse then regular school when I was a kid and they refused to do anything about it.

[Saruhan]

I think you're forgetting the two brands of Orthodox Christianity and Anglicanism. I know this is a thread about Catholicism and all, but I'm a stickler for errors like these.

Such sects do not exist.

.... What?

[Ganos Lao]

I think you're forgetting the two brands of Orthodox Christianity and Anglicanism. I know this is a thread about Catholicism and all, but I'm a stickler for errors like these.

Such sects do not exist.

Really? Because I could've sworn there was this big event called a "Great Schism" and then there was this guy named Henry Tudor who decided that he wanted a new waifu and started his own gig up in Britain.

Not to mention this country in the Caucasus called Armenia which was the world's first Christian nation. They got their own little church and everything. I hear they were liked by the Franks en route to the Holy Land. And let's not forget the Copts of Egypt, whose influence goes down as far as the Horn of Africa.

[Ostroeuropa]

I agree. The catholic church is an evil organization.

[Southern Louisiane]

I think you're forgetting the two brands of Orthodox Christianity and Anglicanism. I know this is a thread about Catholicism and all, but I'm a stickler for errors like these.

Such sects do not exist.

Umm
Actually your wrong:
Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox,, Calvinist, Lutheran, Baptist, Anabaptist, Pentecostal, Anglican,
Protestant
Greek Orthodox
Southern Baptist
The Mormon Church is a Christian sect.
Evangelical,
Pentecostal,
Oriental Orthodox
Assyrian Churches,
Restorationists
Anglican Communion

These are all sects of Christianity.(not all are listed)

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Such sects do not exist.

.... What?

'Twas a joke.

Such sects do not exist.

Really? Because I could've sworn there was this big event called a "Great Schism" and then there was this guy named Henry Tudor who decided that he wanted a new waifu and started his own gig up in Britain.

Not to mention this country in the Caucasus called Armenia which was the world's first Christian nation. They got their own little church and everything. I hear they were liked by the Franks en route to the Holy Land. And let's not forget the Copts of Egypt, whose influence goes down as far as the Horn of Africa.

Heresy! There are only two sects of the Church! Two I say!

[Ganos Lao]

Such sects do not exist.

Umm
Actually your wrong:
Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox,, Calvinist, Lutheran, Baptist, Anabaptist, Pentecostal, Anglican,
Protestant
Greek Orthodox
Southern Baptist
The Mormon Church is a Christian sect.
Evangelical,
Pentecostal,
Oriental Orthodox
Assyrian Churches,
Restorationists
Anglican Communion

These are all sects of Christianity.(not all are listed)

Greek/Eastern Orthodoxy is the same thing. Greeks, Russians, and the like are all Eastern Orthodox Christians.

Armenians, Copts, Ethiopians and the like are Oriental Orthodox.

[Tyriece]

Going to say this... Dose anyone who claim they are "evil" know a catholic? I know a lot of Catholics in my life and they are very good people who generally want to do good to others.

[The New Sea Territory]

Catholic church killed thousands? Ok.

Atheist and non-catholic countries have killed millions.

Examples: China, USSR, Nazi Germany, N Korea, The Middle Eastern world....

[Southern Louisiane]

Umm
Actually your wrong:
Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox,, Calvinist, Lutheran, Baptist, Anabaptist, Pentecostal, Anglican,
Protestant
Greek Orthodox
Southern Baptist
The Mormon Church is a Christian sect.
Evangelical,
Pentecostal,
Oriental Orthodox
Assyrian Churches,
Restorationists
Anglican Communion

These are all sects of Christianity.(not all are listed)

Greek/Eastern Orthodoxy is the same thing. Greeks, Russians, and the like are all Eastern Orthodox Christians.

Armenians, Copts, Ethiopians and the like are Oriental Orthodox.

True...

[Nationalist State of Knox]

Such sects do not exist.

Umm
Actually your wrong:
Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox,, Calvinist, Lutheran, Baptist, Anabaptist, Pentecostal, Anglican,
Protestant
Greek Orthodox
Southern Baptist
The Mormon Church is a Christian sect.
Evangelical,
Pentecostal,
Oriental Orthodox
Assyrian Churches,
Restorationists
Anglican Communion

These are all sects of Christianity.(not all are listed)

Sarcasm really doesn't show up well in written language, does it?

Going to say this... Dose anyone who claim they are "evil" know a catholic? I know a lot of Catholics in my life and they are very good people who generally want to do good to others.

1. We're talking about the Church, and not individuals.
2. We're talking in the past tense.

[Ganos Lao]

Heresy! There are only two sects of the Church! Two I say!

But to maintain the seriousness of the discussion:

Going to say this... Dose anyone who claim they are "evil" know a catholic? I know a lot of Catholics in my life and they are very good people who generally want to do good to others.

Exactly. I doubt all Catholics are "evil" - in general, I think that we shouldn't demonize religious people. Sure, we should bash all the fundie nutjobs out there, but let's not bash people who are doing no harm.

[Southern Louisiane]

Umm
Actually your wrong:
Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox,, Calvinist, Lutheran, Baptist, Anabaptist, Pentecostal, Anglican,
Protestant
Greek Orthodox
Southern Baptist
The Mormon Church is a Christian sect.
Evangelical,
Pentecostal,
Oriental Orthodox
Assyrian Churches,
Restorationists
Anglican Communion

These are all sects of Christianity.(not all are listed)

Sarcasm really doesn't show up well in written language, does it?

Going to say this... Dose anyone who claim they are "evil" know a catholic? I know a lot of Catholics in my life and they are very good people who generally want to do good to others.

1. We're talking about the Church, and not individuals.
2. We're talking in the past tense.

No, it doesn't. And if we are talking about the Church well then the church did not do anything (it is not alive) neither did the religion... You talked about the pope, no? Well from what i can understand, he is an individual and "1. We're talking about the Church, and not individuals" so the church came alive and killed thousands of people....

[Tyriece]

Going to say this... Dose anyone who claim they are "evil" know a catholic? I know a lot of Catholics in my life and they are very good people who generally want to do good to others.

1. We're talking about the Church, and not individuals.
2. We're talking in the past tense.[/quote]

I understand, but even churches donate, run charity's and tell people to be good. Everything has its ups and downs, as dose every apple tree has its bad apples, dose that mean you cut it down? or only eat the good ones.

[Ermarian]

Yes, it restricted scientific progress and was responsible for the persecution of thousands.

Focusing too much on what the Catholic church did hundreds of years ago distracts, unfortunately, from all the things it has accomplished in the twentieth century and the current one.

From making deals with the Nazis to systematically tolerating and covering up the sexual abuse of children, from lying to people about contraception and AIDS prevention to letting women die by deliberately refusing them hospital care.

Every organization has skeletons in its closet, and religions most of all, but that stuff with the inquisition and Galileo was ages ago. This is now.