Golden Dawn in Greece

[Scholencia]

Needed to save Greece from Islamic Facism and being overwhelmed with non-Greek immigrants which will destroy their proud culture.

Greece (and all Europe countries) need to leave the EU.

Where do you get that?

[Choronzon]

I don't know much about Golden Dawn, but if it breaks the hyperliberal monotony of the Euro political scene, I welcome it. The US needs a nationalist party badly.

Isn't just about every US party nationalist?

The Democrats have a very reluctant kind of nationalism. They play it up to the extent that they do because 1) it works and 2) then the GOP can't call them unpatriotic.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

I have great respect for Nationalism everywhere. This would include Greece.

[Thesan]

I would hope that in next elections the Greeks will vote for Syriza.... Golden Dawn and the other parties doesn't deserves to rule over a civil country like Greece... heh, what did you expect europe? That the Greeks would accept your ultra-austerity saying nothing?

....I'm touching this dangerous argument again... damn

[Olizipo]

I Support them and their attempt to create Fascist State in Greece .

[Risottia]

I Support them and their attempt to create Fascist State in Greece .

Already done by Hitler and Mussolini.
Didn't work.

Next.

[Freiheit Reich]

Needed to save Greece from Islamic Facism and being overwhelmed with non-Greek immigrants which will destroy their proud culture.

Greece (and all Europe countries) need to leave the EU.

Where do you get that?

http://www.meguiar.addr.com/end_times/m ... europe.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kKkY5EpVpY

about demographics. MOre mosques than churches in southern France for example.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

I Support them and their attempt to create Fascist State in Greece .

Already done by Hitler and Mussolini.
Didn't work.

Next.

Hitler wasn't truly fascist. He made a shit ton of mistakes. Mussolini, however, was great souled.

Anyway, fascism is best if it arises within a nation (like now) rather than being imposed on a nation by external powers.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Already done by Hitler and Mussolini.
Didn't work.

Next.

Hitler wasn't truly fascist. He made a shit ton of mistakes. Mussolini, however, was great souled.

If Mussolini was so great-souled and able to manipulate sheep, why did he end his days, having been put down by partisans, hanging upside-down from a lamp-post?

Anyway, fascism is best if it arises within a nation (like now) rather than being imposed on a nation by external powers.

Golden Dawn have about 10% support and no evidence has been presented of that increasing. That is not fascism "arising".

[Risottia]

Hitler wasn't truly fascist. He made a shit ton of mistakes. Mussolini, however, was great souled.

Yeah, I always knew "great souled" was a buzzword for "traitor to the country and the King he had sworn to serve, traitor to the Statute he had sword to observe, and traitor to those who had sworn loyalty to him".

[Thesan]

Already done by Hitler and Mussolini.
Didn't work.

Next.

Hitler wasn't truly fascist. He made a shit ton of mistakes. Mussolini, however, was great souled.

Anyway, fascism is best if it arises within a nation (like now) rather than being imposed on a nation by external powers.

And just for curiosity: why do you support an ideology that wants to reduce freedoms, rights and will create a government of bureaucrats corrupt till the bones (forget the genocide for a second, let's talk about the ideologies)

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

If Mussolini was so great-souled and able to manipulate sheep, why did he end his days, having been put down by partisans, hanging upside-down from a lamp-post?

The Allies defeated him.

Golden Dawn have about 10% support and no evidence has been presented of that increasing. That is not fascism "arising".

More then 10 actually. And in any case, fascism doesn't rise overnight. The ball is heading in the right direction, however.

[Olizipo]

Already done by Hitler and Mussolini.
Didn't work.

Next.

Hitler wasn't truly fascist. He made a shit ton of mistakes. Mussolini, however, was great souled.

Anyway, fascism is best if it arises within a nation (like now) rather than being imposed on a nation by external powers.

National Socialism is not Fascism .

Nicola Bombacci personal friend of Lenin ended his days supporting Fascism and Mussolini .

All attempted Fascist states had to be taken by Power or war because it was too good to fall by itself like the soviet system .

[Turklestan]

The last thing the Europe needs is an hostile autocracy on the doorstep of freedom. Fascist Greece would quickly spread influence, which could cause the poison of nationalism to seep back into Europe and set peace, progress, and co-operation backwards, and disadvantage the great majority of society.

The Golden Dawn also plan to grab land, more specifically Turkish land. They claim right to Istanbul, Izmir, and various areas around the Black Sea as well as the Northern Cypriot, all of which they have little legitimate claim to. Invading these areas would not only be unjustified (and more along the lines of conquering than liberating), it would also be an incredibly stupid move on their part considering Turkey has the second largest military in NATO, and Britain, France, and the United States would be quick to jump to Turkey's aid in order to defend their ally and destroy the poisonous nationalist undemocratic influence that the Golden Dawn-controlled Greece would be causing to their countries. Golden Dawn aren't just tyrants, they're idiotic tyrants, and I doubt they can fulfil their promises.

Greece needs the Greek people to agree on leaving the euro and get to work. Greece don't need a nationalist party, no one does.

[Imperial Nilfgaard]

Hitler wasn't truly fascist. He made a shit ton of mistakes. Mussolini, however, was great souled.

Anyway, fascism is best if it arises within a nation (like now) rather than being imposed on a nation by external powers.

And just for curiosity: why do you support an ideology that wants to reduce freedoms, rights and will create a government of bureaucrats corrupt till the bones (forget the genocide for a second, let's talk about the ideologies)

There is nothing more corrupting then liberalism. Nothing more ridiculous then democracy. These are ideologies specifically designed to give the weak as much power as the strong. Ideologies based around a weakening of state and society for the sake of the sheep.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

If Mussolini was so great-souled and able to manipulate sheep, why did he end his days, having been put down by partisans, hanging upside-down from a lamp-post?

The Allies defeated him.

In which case your original claim about him being great-souled makes no sense.

Golden Dawn have about 10% support and no evidence has been presented of that increasing. That is not fascism "arising".

More then 10 actually.

The opinion polls linked to by one of their members earlier showed 10%. if you've got any different ones, can we see them?

And in any case, fascism doesn't rise overnight. The ball is heading in the right direction, however.

Given that a socialist party is the second-largest and has almost as much support as the current leaders, ND, how can you plausibly claim that Greece is moving towards fascism?

[Meryuma]

Naturally, I despise any organization that believes that I'm unworthy of living.

[Flaxxony-Setram]

Needed to save Greece from Islamic Facism and being overwhelmed with non-Greek immigrants which will destroy their proud culture.

Greece (and all Europe countries) need to leave the EU.

Well said. I hope that Europeans wise up and stop the Islamic invasion before it is too late.

[Densaner]

Golden Dawn is what happens when you try to force separate nations with long histories together. I hope the EU and the Euro collapse post haste.

[Of the Free Socialist Territories]

Golden Dawn is what happens when you try to force separate nations with long histories together. I hope the EU and the Euro collapse post haste.

Yes, because Greece voluntarily joining both aspects of European unity clearly shows how much force is inherent within the EU.

If Golden Dawn is what happens when you "force" nations together, why isn't it being seen anywhere else in Europe that I'm aware of?

[Thesan]

And just for curiosity: why do you support an ideology that wants to reduce freedoms, rights and will create a government of bureaucrats corrupt till the bones (forget the genocide for a second, let's talk about the ideologies)

There is nothing more corrupting then liberalism. Nothing more ridiculous then democracy. These are ideologies specifically designed to give the weak as much power as the strong. Ideologies based around a weakening of state and society for the sake of the sheep.

Good, I respect your Ideas, but why do you think that liberalism is corrupt? Why democracy is ridiculous? Only these abjectives aren't proper motivations sir

[Densaner]

Golden Dawn is what happens when you try to force separate nations with long histories together. I hope the EU and the Euro collapse post haste.

Yes, because Greece voluntarily joining both aspects of European unity clearly shows how much force is inherent within the EU.

If Golden Dawn is what happens when you "force" nations together, why isn't it being seen anywhere else in Europe that I'm aware of?

Okay. I hope the Greeks get a referendum and vote NO to continued EU membership. That's what we'll be doing in Britain the minute we get the chance. Or do you think the EU won't become a country some day?

[Ceannairceach]

They are a disgusting little stain upon the Hellenic Republic that should be removed through education.

[Warshania]

I live in Greece, so I kinda feel obliged to post my opinion about GD (Golden Dawn).

GD is a political party that is around for around 30 years or so. In these 30 years, the party was getting 0,5%-0,2% in the national elections and their views were very radical. The vast majority of people was either hating them or haven't heard of them and their power was small (contrary to their dedication).

In the latest elections, that party went from that 0,2% to 7% and for good reasons. The first reason this happened (in my opinion) is the fall of a populist right wing party which caused many people to move from there to the GD. That party's beliefs were nowhere near the ones of GD, though. People still chose the latter because GD advertises itself as a new, dedicated right-wing nationalist party that supposedly has the solutions on the economic crisis and immigration problem.

The second, and most important reason, is illegal immigration problem. This is a huge social problem we have, most likely the biggest at the moment. It is estimated that more than 2 million illegal immigrants live in a nation with a population of ~10 million (and declining, this includes legal immigrants). The problem is so bad that some small islands have now 3 or 4 times as many illegal immigrants as natives. Needless to say that these people have no job and use other methods to get money. This is why many desperate people turn to GD to help them*. Combine that with the economic crisis and you can see why some go from center to far-right wing.

Obviously, the GD's "old" members are the last ones who want to see these problems solved. Once we either integrate the immigrants into the society, or deport/send them to Europe, the people won't have a reason to vote for them anymore and will go for less extreme, more "sane" alternatives. This is why GD doesn't have a certain program of dealing with the issue either than the "reclaim the streets, throw them to the sea" one. They literally feed on the nation's misfortunes.

This is why I believe that this party, despite how scary it's ascension may seem, will eventually either shrink and/or change into something less radical. It all depends on if and when we will decide to implement working solutions on the immigration issue, as well as when our economy will get better.

(*help them = cowardly beating the helpless immigrants who actually contribute to the society while ignoring any organized immigrant gangs.)


Sources (because I'm obviously lying):

* wikipedia covers everything about the demographics.
* The total number of illegal immigrants is always a speculation, but it's widely believed it's at least 1 million.
* I live in a city area with many immigrants, both legal and illegal.

[The Darwinian People]

Yes, because Greece voluntarily joining both aspects of European unity clearly shows how much force is inherent within the EU.

If Golden Dawn is what happens when you "force" nations together, why isn't it being seen anywhere else in Europe that I'm aware of?

Okay. I hope the Greeks get a referendum and vote NO to continued EU membership. That's what we'll be doing in Britain the minute we get the chance. Or do you think the EU won't become a country some day?

We aren't getting the chance. Cameron's put the referendum off and Labour look poised to win the next election.