Rape prevention

[Suicune]

Also people should carry Bowie knives in case the range becomes too close.

So basically you want everyone to murder everyone just in case they were going to murder/rape/give them a funny look.

[Warinemachine]

Also people should carry Bowie knives in case the range becomes too close.

So basically you want everyone to murder everyone just in case they were going to murder/rape/give them a funny look.

No. If it was murder people would quickly avenge it.

[Harkonna]

People need to become more capable of defending themselves, and their bodily sovereignty.

You will never be able to eliminate all viruses, and I very much doubt that we will ever be able to eliminate things like murder, rape, manipulation or coercion.

Just as we develop vaccines, or inoculations against viruses, we too must learn to defend against those who would seek to do us harm.

You can whinge on about it being victim blaming all you want, I couldn't care any less. Women, and men are not weak. Neither women nor men are children. All humans have agency and will of their own.

Defend yourself, and develop your own agency. Don't rely on others to defend you.

[Xathranaar]

People need to become more capable of defending themselves, and their bodily sovereignty.

You will never be able to eliminate all viruses, and I very much doubt that we will ever be able to eliminate things like murder, rape, manipulation or coercion.

Just as we develop vaccines, or inoculations against viruses, we too must learn to defend against those who would seek to do us harm.

You can whinge on about it being victim blaming all you want, I couldn't care any less. Women, and men are not weak. Neither women nor men are children. All humans have agency and will of their own.

Defend yourself, and develop your own agency. Don't rely on others to defend you.

About half of all women who get raped are under 18, in point of fact.

Now let's be serious, telling the vulnerable in our society that they shouldn't be vulnerable is the sort of ridiculously stupid behavior that would get a French Monarch deposed.

[Xathranaar]

So basically you want everyone to murder everyone just in case they were going to murder/rape/give them a funny look.

No. If it was murder people would quickly avenge it.

I have a strange feeling that your ideal society would involve the word, "thunderdome."

[Harkonna]

About half of all women who get raped are under 18, in point of fact.

Now let's be serious, telling the vulnerable in our society that they shouldn't be vulnerable is the sort of ridiculously stupid behavior that would get a French Monarch deposed.

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that people under the age of 18 were incapable of defending themselves. Telling the vulnerable that they should work towards not being vulnerable, to avoid exploitation is the only way we can move forward. People are not INHERENTLY vulnerable. These are physical states and mindsets that can be overcome.

Oh, sorry! I almost forgot. You're contending that women and girls are incapable of defending themselves, and that moving to equalize their ability to defend themselves with that of men is 'ridiculously stupid.' How telling.

Get real.

[Central Slavia]

People need to become more capable of defending themselves, and their bodily sovereignty.

You will never be able to eliminate all viruses, and I very much doubt that we will ever be able to eliminate things like murder, rape, manipulation or coercion.

Just as we develop vaccines, or inoculations against viruses, we too must learn to defend against those who would seek to do us harm.

You can whinge on about it being victim blaming all you want, I couldn't care any less. Women, and men are not weak. Neither women nor men are children. All humans have agency and will of their own.

Defend yourself, and develop your own agency. Don't rely on others to defend you.

About half of all women who get raped are under 18, in point of fact.

Now let's be serious, telling the vulnerable in our society that they shouldn't be vulnerable is the sort of ridiculously stupid behavior that would get a French Monarch deposed.

It is rumoured that unlike the corrupted form peddled by the historians, the real words of Marie Antoinette when confronted with the plight or revolting starving peasants were "Let them eat lead!"

[Dazchan]

About half of all women who get raped are under 18, in point of fact.

Now let's be serious, telling the vulnerable in our society that they shouldn't be vulnerable is the sort of ridiculously stupid behavior that would get a French Monarch deposed.

Oh, sorry, I didn't realize that people under the age of 18 were incapable of defending themselves. Telling the vulnerable that they should work towards not being vulnerable, to avoid exploitation is the only way we can move forward. People are not INHERENTLY vulnerable. These are physical states and mindsets that can be overcome.

Oh, sorry! I almost forgot. You're contending that women are girls are incapable of defending themselves, and that moving to equalize their ability to defend themselves with that of men is 'ridiculously stupid.' How telling.

Get real.

So basically what we have here is someone who has never been in a situation where he/she has been raped, telling people who have that they should have defended themselves better, with some misogyny thrown in for good measure?

Get real, indeed.

[Freiheit Reich]

Rape is never 100% preventable. However, I support women learning self-defense including karate so they are better prepared. Pepper spray and weapons are also great tools but karate is even better since it is quicker to access your hands than to access pepper spray.

So there's no such thing as acquaintance rape? Date rape? Statuary rape? Rape only happens out at night in some sort of dark alley?

The average rapist expects a female to be an easy target and won't be prepared for a sudden kick or punch to the throat.

God, please, stop pretending you know what you're talking about. You don't.

I count date rape and acquaintance rape as forced rape. Even rape by trickery (drugging her so she passes out) is still forced. If she is drunk and awake it is not forced rape unless she says no or is passed out cold. Once she says no than the man must stop. Many rapes are acquaintance rapes, it is still forced.

Statatory rape is not rape unless she has not reached puberty. A pre-puberty girl is not ready to make a decision about sex and shouldn't be having it.

So you believe self-defense classes can't help prevent rape? You have never heard of cases where women have protected themselves and stopped a rapist?

[Condunum]

So there's no such thing as acquaintance rape? Date rape? Statuary rape? Rape only happens out at night in some sort of dark alley?


God, please, stop pretending you know what you're talking about. You don't.

I count date rape and acquaintance rape as forced rape. Even rape by trickery (drugging her so she passes out) is still forced. If she is drunk and awake it is not forced rape unless she says no or is passed out cold. Once she says no than the man must stop. Many rapes are acquaintance rapes, it is still forced.

Statatory rape is not rape unless she has not reached puberty. A pre-puberty girl is not ready to make a decision about sex and shouldn't be having it.

So you believe self-defense classes can't help prevent rape? You have never heard of cases where women have protected themselves and stopped a rapist?

You realize that you just said that raping a monor is not rape unless they're pre-pubescent, right?

[Freiheit Reich]

The average rapist

Who or what is the "average rapist"?

I found the profile:

http://budokan.wcart.net/WomenSelfDefen ... rofile.htm

[Big Jim P]

I count date rape and acquaintance rape as forced rape. Even rape by trickery (drugging her so she passes out) is still forced. If she is drunk and awake it is not forced rape unless she says no or is passed out cold. Once she says no than the man must stop. Many rapes are acquaintance rapes, it is still forced.

Statatory rape is not rape unless she has not reached puberty. A pre-puberty girl is not ready to make a decision about sex and shouldn't be having it.

So you believe self-defense classes can't help prevent rape? You have never heard of cases where women have protected themselves and stopped a rapist?

You realize that you just said that raping a monor is not rape unless they're pre-pubescent, right?

No, he said that "Statutory Rape is not rape unless she has not reached puberty". Statutory rape is not necessarily forcible rape.

[Harkonna]

So basically what we have here is someone who has never been in a situation where he/she has been raped, telling people who have that they should have defended themselves better, with some misogyny thrown in for good measure?

Get real, indeed.

Aw, that's adorable. You just love to throw your delicious feminist party lines out to demonize other people, don't you.

What I said, was that in order to reduce rapes and other unfortunate events that occur, everyone must be able to defend themselves. Male, female, whatever! I don't care which. If you are not capable of defending yourself mentally and physically, you run a greater risk of being raped, murdered, or otherwise exploited.

Get real, trois?

[Freiheit Reich]

I count date rape and acquaintance rape as forced rape. Even rape by trickery (drugging her so she passes out) is still forced. If she is drunk and awake it is not forced rape unless she says no or is passed out cold. Once she says no than the man must stop. Many rapes are acquaintance rapes, it is still forced.

Statatory rape is not rape unless she has not reached puberty. A pre-puberty girl is not ready to make a decision about sex and shouldn't be having it.

So you believe self-defense classes can't help prevent rape? You have never heard of cases where women have protected themselves and stopped a rapist?

You realize that you just said that raping a monor is not rape unless they're pre-pubescent, right?

Consensual sex with a 'minor' is not raped if it is not forced and she passed puberty. This is the standard in many countries. In Bangladesh 13 year olds are getting married. Same in many African and Middle Eastern countries. Perhaps we need a age limit though of 15 or 16 to make it easier. A 16 year old knows her body and can decide if she wants sex. A 11 year old is not ready for such a decision, biologically she is also not ready.

[Forsher]

So basically what we have here is someone who has never been in a situation where he/she has been raped, telling people who have that they should have defended themselves better, with some misogyny thrown in for good measure?

Get real, indeed.

Aw, that's adorable. You just love to throw your delicious feminist party lines out to demonize other people, don't you.

What I said, was that in order to reduce rapes and other unfortunate events that occur, everyone must be able to defend themselves. Male, female, whatever! I don't care which. If you are not capable of defending yourself mentally and physically, you run a greater risk of being raped, murdered, or otherwise exploited.

Get real, trois?

It probably helps to prevent violent rapes.

However, rape is a crime of consent, not violence, and, so, self-defence isn't going to help much. Not going outside and never meeting other people on the other hand...

[Seperates]

So basically what we have here is someone who has never been in a situation where he/she has been raped, telling people who have that they should have defended themselves better, with some misogyny thrown in for good measure?

Get real, indeed.

Aw, that's adorable. You just love to throw your delicious feminist party lines out to demonize other people, don't you.

What I said, was that in order to reduce rapes and other unfortunate events that occur, everyone must be able to defend themselves. Male, female, whatever! I don't care which. If you are not capable of defending yourself mentally and physically, you run a greater risk of being raped, murdered, or otherwise exploited.

Get real, trois?

Maybe we shouldn't settle on having a society where we have to be able to defend ourselves to be safe?

[Harkonna]

We already live in a society like that, Seperates. Until we don't, it's a necessity.

[Ovisterra]

We already live in a society like that,

That's kinda the point. We're trying to move on from where we are to something better.

[Seperates]

We already live in a society like that, Seperates. Until we don't, it's a necessity.

What I'm saying is that we need to move past that sort of society. That's the point. I shouldn't need to know how to defend myself other than verbally.

[Central Slavia]

You realize that you just said that raping a monor is not rape unless they're pre-pubescent, right?

Consensual sex with a 'minor' is not raped if it is not forced and she passed puberty. This is the standard in many countries. In Bangladesh 13 year olds are getting married. Same in many African and Middle Eastern countries. Perhaps we need a age limit though of 15 or 16 to make it easier. A 16 year old knows her body and can decide if she wants sex. A 11 year old is not ready for such a decision, biologically she is also not ready.

In a lot of countries, mine being one of them , the limit is indeed 15, the age that you get your citizen ID.

[Dazchan]

So basically what we have here is someone who has never been in a situation where he/she has been raped, telling people who have that they should have defended themselves better, with some misogyny thrown in for good measure?

Get real, indeed.

Aw, that's adorable. You just love to throw your delicious feminist party lines out to demonize other people, don't you.

Well, if that's the best you can do...

What I said, was that in order to reduce rapes and other unfortunate events that occur, everyone must be able to defend themselves. Male, female, whatever! I don't care which. If you are not capable of defending yourself mentally and physically, you run a greater risk of being raped, murdered, or otherwise exploited

Have you ever been raped?

[Central Slavia]

Aw, that's adorable. You just love to throw your delicious feminist party lines out to demonize other people, don't you.

What I said, was that in order to reduce rapes and other unfortunate events that occur, everyone must be able to defend themselves. Male, female, whatever! I don't care which. If you are not capable of defending yourself mentally and physically, you run a greater risk of being raped, murdered, or otherwise exploited.

Get real, trois?

Maybe we shouldn't settle on having a society where we have to be able to defend ourselves to be safe?

So basically, let's not talk about what is, but what should be.
's called demagogy.

[Seperates]

Maybe we shouldn't settle on having a society where we have to be able to defend ourselves to be safe?

So basically, let's not talk about what is, but what should be.
's called demagogy.

Maybe we should learn to defend ourselves, whilest slowly moving our culture away from one that worships violence? The point is that learning to defend yourself will only go so far. One man or woman cannot hold off six men/women no matter how well trained they have been. It just doesn't happen.

[Central Slavia]

So basically, let's not talk about what is, but what should be.
's called demagogy.

Maybe we should learn to defend ourselves, whilest slowly moving our culture away from one that worships violence? The point is that learning to defend yourself will only go so far. One man or woman cannot hold off six men/women no matter how well trained they have been. It just doesn't happen.

First of all, our culture doesn't worship violence, it is in fact far less violent than the culture even a century ago.
Second of all, nobody said knowing self-defense is something guaranteed to get you out of every situation, that'd be a bald faced lie. It is merely helpful in a subset of them.

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[Forsher]

So basically, let's not talk about what is, but what should be.
's called demagogy.

Maybe we should learn to defend ourselves, whilest slowly moving our culture away from one that worships violence? The point is that learning to defend yourself will only go so far. One man or woman cannot hold off six men/women no matter how well trained they have been. It just doesn't happen.

Lies!

I must have seen dozens of carefully choreographed and totally fictional films where it happened.