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Is rape preventable on an individual basis?

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Ostroeuropa
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:52 am

Khadgar wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Wouldn't they die/pass out because of blood loss? Prior to sex, there is lot of blood flowing through there.


The one I'm familiar with doesn't shred your dick. Just puts lots of tiny barbed spines in it so that it basically has to be surgically removed. Even if it did kill through blood loss, that takes a minute or two even from a serious wound, plenty of time for revenge.


It is however, very very painful. By design, it has to be. The idea is that you want them to be incapable of further action due to the pain
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Postby Condunum » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:54 am

Kvatchdom wrote:
Condunum wrote:Free sex will not stop rape. At all.

Have we ever tried it?

We don't need to. We already know that a primary motivator for rape is the desire for control or dominance.
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Postby Kabab » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:55 am

Sarcasm: Women can stop rape against them if they only could predict the future better. Come on. If they had known what was going to happen, they wouldn't have been raped.

Serious: Gun. That's all I can say.
Not bad for something that was a conservative satire to begin with.

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Postby Khadgar » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:55 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Khadgar wrote:
The one I'm familiar with doesn't shred your dick. Just puts lots of tiny barbed spines in it so that it basically has to be surgically removed. Even if it did kill through blood loss, that takes a minute or two even from a serious wound, plenty of time for revenge.


It is however, very very painful. By design, it has to be. The idea is that you want them to be incapable of further action due to the pain


I'd have to see numbers on it's effectiveness, but what's to stop the rapist from checking for it? I mean if such things become common, it'll be trivial for them to look prior to the whole rape thing.

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Postby Skogland (Ancient) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:55 am

Learn self-defense, carry mace. Put on some weight and stop being attractive. Don't wear revealing clothes, otherwise someone is going to get horny and be up in your butt. It's not really preventable, it's as natural as murder. Read "A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion". You'd know this if you've been in prison.

Concerning man-on-man booty action, you need to see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxThsRCyoOM

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:56 am

Condunum wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Have we ever tried it?

We don't need to. We already know that a primary motivator for rape is the desire for control or dominance.


Which means objectification isn't the problem either.
They know the victim is human. Thats the whole point.
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Postby Rereumrari » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:56 am

Condunum wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:Have we ever tried it?

We don't need to. We already know that a primary motivator for rape is the desire for control or dominance.
Yeah, wanting to have an orgasm inside another woman has nothing to do with it.
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Postby Khadgar » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:56 am

Skogland wrote:Learn self-defense, carry mace. Put on some weight and stop being attractive. Don't wear revealing clothes, otherwise someone is going to get horny and be up in your butt. It's not really preventable, it's as natural as murder. Read "A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion". You'd know this if you've been in prison.

Concerning man-on-man booty action, you need to see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxThsRCyoOM


Holy shit I hope you're not serious, and if you're joking, this isn't the topic for it.

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:57 am

Rereumrari wrote:
Condunum wrote:We don't need to. We already know that a primary motivator for rape is the desire for control or dominance.
Yeah, having an orgasm inside another woman has nothing to do with it.


It doesn't. And you are committing the usual fallacy of insinuating only women are rape victims.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:57 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Condunum wrote:We don't need to. We already know that a primary motivator for rape is the desire for control or dominance.


Which means objectification isn't the problem either.
They know the victim is human. Thats the whole point.

Exactly. Free sex isn't going to be what they go for, they want the complete control over someone else in a real situation.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:58 am

Condunum wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Which means objectification isn't the problem either.
They know the victim is human. Thats the whole point.

Exactly. Free sex isn't going to be what they go for, they want the complete control over someone else in a real situation.


Make them traffic wardens. problem solved.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:58 am

Rereumrari wrote:
Condunum wrote:We don't need to. We already know that a primary motivator for rape is the desire for control or dominance.
Yeah, wanting to have an orgasm inside another woman has nothing to do with it.

Nice strawman. I never said that wasn't a motivator, did I?
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Postby Rereumrari » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:58 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Rereumrari wrote:Yeah, having an orgasm inside another woman has nothing to do with it.


It doesn't. And you are committing the usual fallacy of insinuating only women are rape victims.
Women are the strong majority of rape victims. May not be politically correct, but it's true.
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Postby Condunum » Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:59 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Condunum wrote:Exactly. Free sex isn't going to be what they go for, they want the complete control over someone else in a real situation.


Make them traffic wardens. problem solved.

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Are you saying that we give rapists the job of replacing broken street lights? I don't know if this would go hilariously wrong or just normal wrong.
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Postby Rereumrari » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:00 am

Condunum wrote:
Rereumrari wrote:Yeah, wanting to have an orgasm inside another woman has nothing to do with it.

Nice strawman. I never said that wasn't a motivator, did I?
Yeah, but you didn't say it was a primary motivator. Control and dominance is a secondary motive for them to satisfy. Their lack of sex is the first. If men didn't have sex drives, they wouldnt rape.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:01 am

Rereumrari wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It doesn't. And you are committing the usual fallacy of insinuating only women are rape victims.
Women are the strong majority of rape victims. May not be politically correct, but it's true.


10% of reported rapes that result in conviction are from male victims.
I'm inclined to think that the difficultly in achieving a conviction is even harder for males than for females due to societal problems in viewing men as expendable and women as helpless victims, so it's probably higher than that, especially if you take into account rape shame and unwillingness to report.
They may be a majority, but it's still sexist to phrase it as you did, which did not imply majority, it implied totality.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Kabab » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:01 am

Rereumrari wrote:
Condunum wrote:Nice strawman. I never said that wasn't a motivator, did I?
Yeah, but you didn't say it was a primary motivator. Control and dominance is a secondary motive for them to satisfy. Their lack of sex is the first. If men didn't have sex drives, they wouldnt rape.

And wouldn't reproduce.
Not bad for something that was a conservative satire to begin with.

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Postby Great Zavi » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:02 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Wallonochia wrote:
It does no such thing and I suspect that you're aware of that.


It explicitly mentions women as the victims of rape. It's a sexist poster.
It implies that men are incapable of being raped (Sexist against men)
And that only women care capable of being raped (Sexist against women)
You could follow every single one of the posters rules (Except the last) and still be a rapist if you target men.

It really isn't. He clearly acknowledges men can be rape, but also says women are the vast majority of victims. Which is true.
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Postby Skogland (Ancient) » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:02 am

Khadgar wrote:
Skogland wrote:Learn self-defense, carry mace. Put on some weight and stop being attractive. Don't wear revealing clothes, otherwise someone is going to get horny and be up in your butt. It's not really preventable, it's as natural as murder. Read "A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion". You'd know this if you've been in prison.

Concerning man-on-man booty action, you need to see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxThsRCyoOM


Holy shit I hope you're not serious, and if you're joking, this isn't the topic for it.


What's wrong?

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:02 am

Great Zavi wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
It explicitly mentions women as the victims of rape. It's a sexist poster.
It implies that men are incapable of being raped (Sexist against men)
And that only women care capable of being raped (Sexist against women)
You could follow every single one of the posters rules (Except the last) and still be a rapist if you target men.

It really isn't. He clearly acknowledges men can be rape, but also says women are the vast majority of victims. Which is true.


Where does the poster say that.
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There is an out of control trolley speeding towards Jeremy Bentham, who is tied to the track. You can pull the lever to cause the trolley to switch tracks, but on the other track is Immanuel Kant. Bentham is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Critique of Pure Reason. Kant is clutching the only copy in the universe of The Principles of Moral Legislation. Both men are shouting at you that they have recently started to reconsider their ethical stances.

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Postby Chronic Hypersomnia » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:03 am

Skogland wrote:Learn self-defense, carry mace. Put on some weight and stop being attractive. Don't wear revealing clothes, otherwise someone is going to get horny and be up in your butt. It's not really preventable, it's as natural as murder. Read "A Natural History of Rape: Biological Bases of Sexual Coercion". You'd know this if you've been in prison.

Concerning man-on-man booty action, you need to see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxThsRCyoOM

Attractiveness isn't objective. Even after all of that, I know of a few people who'd specifically want to fuck that. Consent or not.

Hell, my dad knowingly married and had children with an overweight woman who was nowhere near attractive. (to me anyways.)
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Postby Condunum » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:05 am

Rereumrari wrote:
Condunum wrote:Nice strawman. I never said that wasn't a motivator, did I?
Yeah, but you didn't say it was a primary motivator. Control and dominance is a secondary motive for them to satisfy. Their lack of sex is the first. If men didn't have sex drives, they wouldnt rape.

No. Control and dominance are most certainly primary motivators. Many rapists rape without any sexual drive, they do it be ause they love to dominate people. Sex may be a primary motivator for some rapists, but not all, and the rest certainly arent a minority.
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Postby Great Zavi » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:07 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Great Zavi wrote:It really isn't. He clearly acknowledges men can be rape, but also says women are the vast majority of victims. Which is true.


Where does the poster say that.

When he says almost always the women are victims. The part that isn't almost are the men.
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Postby The Rich Port » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:07 am

Rereumrari wrote:I think NS simply needs to get over its obsession with rape. I'm starting to grow concerned for NS.


Republicans are bad role models, dammit. :oops:

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Postby Ostroeuropa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:08 am

Great Zavi wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Where does the poster say that.

When he says almost always the women are victims. The part that isn't almost are the men.


Poster as in The Poster, not the person. Which if you'd actually read my post, you'd know. If you want to tell someone they are misinterperating someones post, try not to do what you just did and assume you know what their post is referring to. Actually read it, or you may as well not bother responding at all.
So, do you have any argument for where the poster does what you said it does.
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