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Do you support this bill?

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Abatael
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Postby Abatael » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:37 pm

Owl Cities wrote:
Dilange wrote:
Stradia hates the federal government. He doesnt really recognize it.

I hate gravity sometimes, but I'll still drop if I jump off a building.


Exactly. What you feel or believe does not change what is actually.
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Wisconsin9
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:37 pm

Dilange wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Correct. Although the California government is even worse than the federal one.

(Please, let's not turn this into an argument about government. I don't need another warning for threadjacking, okay?)


(I dont know why anarcho-capitalism make sno sense, and voluntaryism is just a dream that is impossible to impliment under ancho-capitalism, but tis for another thread)

Don't goad him.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:37 pm

Warinemachine wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Regardless, why do you believe it is up to the government to tell people how to live their lives?

Because God set a precedent.
that was a joke. Really[spoiler]Because I believe in the concept of a moral society.
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1) Morality is subjective and prone to change
2) How would people getting high create an immoral society?

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Graknopia
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Postby Graknopia » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:37 pm

Warinemachine wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Why?

It will make people have the bad side affects and it will interfere with driving and work. Plus now it will be even more prominent on the school yard.

Trust me, with or without this bill, nothing will change on the schoolyard
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Shallowell
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Postby Shallowell » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:38 pm

I'm from Colorado, where things are already in the works to make it legal, and it's a terrible idea.


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Abatael
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Postby Abatael » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:38 pm

Graknopia wrote:
Warinemachine wrote:It will make people have the bad side affects and it will interfere with driving and work. Plus now it will be even more prominent on the school yard.

Trust me, with or without this bill, nothing will change on the schoolyard


What do you mean by this?
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Napkiraly
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:38 pm

Shallowell wrote:I'm from Colorado, where things are already in the works to make it legal, and it's a terrible idea.

Why?

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Graknopia
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Postby Graknopia » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:39 pm

Shallowell wrote:I'm from Colorado, where things are already in the works to make it legal, and it's a terrible idea.

Why?
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Waltinua
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Postby Waltinua » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:39 pm

Abatael wrote:
Waltinua wrote:*assuming we like Federal government*


*assuming that means something*

*assuming it's the government as a whole and not just the 10% of bills that pass*
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Goric Corporation
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Postby Goric Corporation » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:39 pm

Good.
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America Resurgent
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Postby America Resurgent » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:39 pm

Dilange wrote:
Too bad, Americans live under a federal government. Have a problem? Leave. Go to Somalia where their federal government has control over one city block of Mogadishu.


Okay. The federal government is changeable, though, so why can't we just edit federal laws, too?
America if it didn't get involved in Word War I. And the Marxist ideal of violent revolution was carried out more heavily. And Hoover was assassinated. And loads of other things that eventually lead to fascism.
(But no, not a fascist)
Galloism wrote:What an awful and sick disregard for human life.
Why can't they play call of duty or grand theft auto like normal people?

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North Stradia
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Postby North Stradia » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:39 pm

Warinemachine wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Regardless, why do you believe it is up to the government to tell people how to live their lives?

-snip-
Because I believe in the concept of a moral society.

Morality is subjective.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:39 pm

Abatael wrote:
Graknopia wrote:Trust me, with or without this bill, nothing will change on the schoolyard


What do you mean by this?

He means that there'll be the same number of kids getting pot. Trust me on this. I personally avoid the stuff like the plague (I'm hoping to go into law enforcement), but there are plenty of kids at my school who light up like a Jamaican man on a Saturday night.
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Warinemachine
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Postby Warinemachine » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:39 pm

Graknopia wrote:
Warinemachine wrote:It will make people have the bad side affects and it will interfere with driving and work. Plus now it will be even more prominent on the school yard.

Trust me, with or without this bill, nothing will change on the schoolyard

Why should I trust you?

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Waltinua
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Postby Waltinua » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:39 pm

America Resurgent wrote:
Dilange wrote:
Too bad, Americans live under a federal government. Have a problem? Leave. Go to Somalia where their federal government has control over one city block of Mogadishu.


Okay. The federal government is changeable, though, so why can't we just edit federal laws, too?

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Merriwhether
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Postby Merriwhether » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:40 pm

Owl Cities wrote:
Dilange wrote:
Stradia hates the federal government. He doesnt really recognize it.

I hate gravity sometimes, but I'll still drop if I jump off a building.


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Postby North Stradia » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:40 pm

Shallowell wrote:I'm from Colorado, where things are already in the works to make it legal, and it's a terrible idea.

Because?

"God" is not a valid argument. Neither is "morality", because morality is subjective.
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Postby Warinemachine » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:40 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Abatael wrote:
What do you mean by this?

He means that there'll be the same number of kids getting pot. Trust me on this. I personally avoid the stuff like the plague (I'm hoping to go into law enforcement), but there are plenty of kids at my school who light up like a Jamaican man on a Saturday night.

The age will get younger at which kids try pot.

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Frisivisia
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Postby Frisivisia » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:41 pm

Warinemachine wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:He means that there'll be the same number of kids getting pot. Trust me on this. I personally avoid the stuff like the plague (I'm hoping to go into law enforcement), but there are plenty of kids at my school who light up like a Jamaican man on a Saturday night.

The age will get younger at which kids try pot.

Bullshit, prove it.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:41 pm

Warinemachine wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:He means that there'll be the same number of kids getting pot. Trust me on this. I personally avoid the stuff like the plague (I'm hoping to go into law enforcement), but there are plenty of kids at my school who light up like a Jamaican man on a Saturday night.

The age will get younger at which kids try pot.

What age do you think they start trying it? And for that matter, do you have a source for this?
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Graknopia
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Postby Graknopia » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:41 pm

Abatael wrote:
Graknopia wrote:Trust me, with or without this bill, nothing will change on the schoolyard


What do you mean by this?

Students will end up getting it no matter what. Many students already do marijuana, all they have to do is ask a few friends if they could get some. With this bill, nothing will change.
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Postby Napkiraly » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:41 pm

Warinemachine wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:He means that there'll be the same number of kids getting pot. Trust me on this. I personally avoid the stuff like the plague (I'm hoping to go into law enforcement), but there are plenty of kids at my school who light up like a Jamaican man on a Saturday night.

The age will get younger at which kids try pot.

I have some spaghetti, mind providing the sauce?

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North Stradia
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Postby North Stradia » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:41 pm

Warinemachine wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:He means that there'll be the same number of kids getting pot. Trust me on this. I personally avoid the stuff like the plague (I'm hoping to go into law enforcement), but there are plenty of kids at my school who light up like a Jamaican man on a Saturday night.

The age will get younger at which kids try pot.

Show me sources to back that claim up.
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Postby America Resurgent » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:42 pm

Warinemachine wrote:The age will get younger at which kids try pot.


a. Why? It's not like we haven't set age limits before?
b. What's so bad about that?
America if it didn't get involved in Word War I. And the Marxist ideal of violent revolution was carried out more heavily. And Hoover was assassinated. And loads of other things that eventually lead to fascism.
(But no, not a fascist)
Galloism wrote:What an awful and sick disregard for human life.
Why can't they play call of duty or grand theft auto like normal people?

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Abatael
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Postby Abatael » Thu Feb 07, 2013 6:42 pm

Waltinua wrote:
Abatael wrote:
*assuming that means something*

*assuming it's the government as a whole and not just the 10% of bills that pass*


*assuming, again, that means something*

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Abatael wrote:
What do you mean by this?

He means that there'll be the same number of kids getting pot. Trust me on this. I personally avoid the stuff like the plague (I'm hoping to go into law enforcement), but there are plenty of kids at my school who light up like a Jamaican man on a Saturday night.


But does he support legalizing cannabis for that reason, or was he just saying that?
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