Hawaii marijuana legalization bill scheduled

[Reggae Magmia]

Trust me, with or without this bill, nothing will change on the schoolyard

Why should I trust you?

Because he's undeniably right.

I'm from Colorado, where things are already in the works to make it legal, and it's a terrible idea.

Dude, like, why you hatting on the weed man? Like, what the weed ever do to you man? Dude like, woah man.

[Wisconsin9]

He means that there'll be the same number of kids getting pot. Trust me on this. I personally avoid the stuff like the plague (I'm hoping to go into law enforcement), but there are plenty of kids at my school who light up like a Jamaican man on a Saturday night.

But does he support legalizing cannabis for that reason, or was he just saying that?

I have no idea!

[Warinemachine]

The age will get younger at which kids try pot.

Bullshit, prove it.

what I mean is the supply will get larger the price will get smaller and wow more kids are smoking pot.

[Shallowell]

I'm sorry to return us to junior high health class here, but from what I've seen marijuana is a gateway drug. It itself may not be very bad, but it leads people down the path to more potent/dangerous drugs like cocaine, heroin, meth etc. I don't mind marijuana itself being passed too much, but I fear that it will lead us down the path to legalizing things that are far worse. I know there are those of you that would advocate legalization of all drugs, but this is my personal experience.

[Abatael]

What do you mean by this?

Students will end up getting it no matter what. Many students already do marijuana, all they have to do is ask a few friends if they could get some. With this bill, nothing will change.

So... you support the legalization of cannabis for this reason?

[Owl Cities]

He means that there'll be the same number of kids getting pot. Trust me on this. I personally avoid the stuff like the plague (I'm hoping to go into law enforcement), but there are plenty of kids at my school who light up like a Jamaican man on a Saturday night.

The age will get younger at which kids try pot.

How would that happen? I can at least see the argument that more would be getting it, but why would their (the pot smoker's) average age decrease?

I'm sorry to return us to junior high health class here, but from what I've seen marijuana is a gateway drug. It itself may not be very bad, but it leads people down the path to more potent/dangerous drugs like cocaine, heroin, meth etc. I don't mind marijuana itself being passed too much, but I fear that it will lead us down the path to legalizing things that are far worse. I know there are those of you that would advocate legalization of all drugs, but this is my personal experience.

Marijuana may seem to have that effect because the dealers that people get it from also sell harder drugs, giving them a vested interest in getting their clients hooked on those.

[North Stradia]

Students will end up getting it no matter what. Many students already do marijuana, all they have to do is ask a few friends if they could get some. With this bill, nothing will change.

So... you support the legalization of cannabis for this reason?

There are so many reasons to support legalization...

First of all, the right to do as you please to your own body.

[Wisconsin9]

Bullshit, prove it.

what I mean is the supply will get larger the price will get smaller and wow more kids are smoking pot.

Again, an actual source.

[Abatael]

Bullshit, prove it.

what I mean is the supply will get larger the price will get smaller and wow more kids are smoking pot.

And, I guess, what he means is, do you have a fucking source, or not?

[Cannot think of a name]

It will make people have the bad side affects and it will interfere with driving and work. Plus now it will be even more prominent on the school yard.

Trust me, with or without this bill, nothing will change on the schoolyard

I don't know, I was discussing this in another thread. When the dispensaries opened up here in California a lot of the street dealers folded up shop because we were more and more willing to go through the motions to be able to buy our shit from a store free from hassle, where we were able to causally peruse the stock and choose our strains, etc. There was less and less of a reason to go to your corner dealer and so corner dealers dried up. I was late to getting my recommendation and largely finally did because it was too much of a hassle anymore to find 'a guy.' Now, there will always be 'a guy', but as the dispensaries take up more and more of their business there will be fewer and fewer 'guys', 'guys' who have far fewer qualms selling to 'anyone' than a proper dispensary. So, it might in fact reduce the amount on the playground even if it doesn't eradicate it.

[Napkiraly]

Bullshit, prove it.

what I mean is the 1)supply will get larger 2)the price will get smaller and 3)wow more kids are smoking pot.

1) Depends on the market
2) Which is related to the above
3) Wat.

[Suicune]

What is this obsession in the US about 21, alcohol, now weed? Make it 18.

[The God-Realm]

Some people can't handle it; some can. You would be allowed to do meth; you would still be responsible for what you do while high.

I think it's fairly easy to say that there are so few people who can "handle" meth that it's better for society not to have meth be a legal substance.

I could at 17.

And this is awesome, smoking weed while watching the beautiful sunset...

[Abatael]

I'm sorry to return us to junior high health class here, but from what I've seen marijuana is a gateway drug. It itself may not be very bad, but it leads people down the path to more potent/dangerous drugs like cocaine, heroin, meth etc. I don't mind marijuana itself being passed too much, but I fear that it will lead us down the path to legalizing things that are far worse. I know there are those of you that would advocate legalization of all drugs, but this is my personal experience.

It does. As anecdotal as this may be, when my teacher was in college, he had a roommate. When he was a freshman in college, his roommate began to consume cannabis. By the time he was a senior in college, his roommate began to consume either cocaine or heroine, I don't remember which one exactly. Now, we have no way of verifying this, but I believe it.

Also, his roommate was not necessarily harmed by using the cocaine or heroine, but those drugs can and do harm people.

[Shallowell]

Marijuana may seem to have that effect because the dealers that people get it from also sell harder drugs, giving them a vested interest in getting their clients hooked on those.

You very well could be right. Either way, it has the same effect

[Abatael]

So... you support the legalization of cannabis for this reason?

There are so many reasons to support legalization...

First of all, the right to do as you please to your own body.

Which was enumerated in which founding document explicitly?

[Senkaku]

http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov/measure_indiv.aspx?billtype=HB&billnumber=699

Measure Title: RELATING TO MARIJUANA.
Report Title: Personal Use of Marijuana; Licenses to Cultivate, Manufacture, Test, or Sell Marijuana
Description: Authorizes persons 21 years of age or older to consume or possess limited amounts of marijuana for personal use. Provides for the licensing of marijuana cultivation facilities, product manufacturing facilities, safety testing facilities, and retail stores. Applies an excise tax on transactions between marijuana establishments.
Companion:
Package: None
Current Referral: JUD, FIN
Introducer(s): SOUKI, EVANS, HANOHANO, KAWAKAMI, C. LEE, MCKELVEY, WOOLEY, Awana, Belatti, Saiki, Takumi

Sort by Date Status Text
1/22/2013 H Pending introduction.
1/24/2013 H Introduced and Passed First Reading
1/24/2013 H Referred to JUD, FIN, referral sheet 4
1/29/2013 H Bill scheduled to be heard by JUD on Friday, 02-01-13 2:00PM in House conference room 325.
2/1/2013 H The committee(s) on JUD recommend(s) that the measure be deferred until 02-07-13.
2/4/2013 H Bill scheduled for decision making on Thursday, 02-07-13 2:00PM in conference room 325.

Looks like Hawaii might be the third state to legalize weed.

Finally! Good for them.

[North Stradia]

There are so many reasons to support legalization...

First of all, the right to do as you please to your own body.

Which was enumerated in which founding document explicitly?

Which matters because?

[Abatael]

Which was enumerated in which founding document explicitly?

Which matters because?

I will take this to mean, "In no founding documents was it enumerated explicitly, sir."

[Owl Cities]

Marijuana may seem to have that effect because the dealers that people get it from also sell harder drugs, giving them a vested interest in getting their clients hooked on those.

You very well could be right. Either way, it has the same effect

Not quite. If marijuana were to be legalized, it would most likely be sold at ordinary stores with no connection to harder drugs. This would eliminate the supposed "gateway effect", or at least decrease it.

[North Stradia]

Which matters because?

I will take this to mean, "In no founding documents was it enumerated explicitly, sir."

Universal suffrage was not explicitly numerated in the founding documents either.

[The God-Realm]

You very well could be right. Either way, it has the same effect

Not quite. If marijuana were to be legalized, it would most likely be sold at ordinary stores with no connection to harder drugs. This would eliminate the supposed "gateway effect", or at least decrease it.

Not really.

You know, as a kid I was able to pick up those halloween catalogs with the women in skimpy costumes.

The costume shop had nothing to do with Playboy.

[Kreanoltha]

It does. As anecdotal as this may be, when my teacher was in college, he had a roommate. When he was a freshman in college, his roommate began to consume cannabis. By the time he was a senior in college, his roommate began to consume either cocaine or heroine, I don't remember which one exactly. Now, we have no way of verifying this, but I believe it.

Also, his roommate was not necessarily harmed by using the cocaine or heroine, but those drugs can and do harm people.

No, what you have in an anecdote. What you need is proof. Now there are studies out there that will provide correlation between use of weed and use of harder drugs. However, what this does not take into account is that weed is cheaper than harder drugs. Hard drug users will buy weed to hold them over until they can earn/steal enough money for their drug of choice. Just like when I'm low on money I'll buy Pall Malls instead of Parliaments.

Also, I'll remind you lot: When it is not common sense and someone asks you, you better be ready to go get a source!

[The Jahistic Unified Republic]

There are so many reasons to support legalization...

First of all, the right to do as you please to your own body.

Which was enumerated in which founding document explicitly?

I'd always interpreted the entire "Pursuit of Happiness" thing with the Declaration of Independence to mean "If it doesn't hurt anyone else or impede on their life and liberty and their pursuit of happiness, why ban it?"

I mean, I could be wrong and my interpretation could be ass backwards, but that's how I had always viewed it.

I am in full support of Hawaii legalizing marijuana for recreational purposes, for the record.

[Wisconsin9]

Not quite. If marijuana were to be legalized, it would most likely be sold at ordinary stores with no connection to harder drugs. This would eliminate the supposed "gateway effect", or at least decrease it.

Not really.

You know, as a kid I was able to pick up those halloween catalogs with the women in skimpy costumes.

The costume shop had nothing to do with Playboy.

Pictures of women in skimpy clothing aren't illegal.