Why are you your Religion?

[Frisivisia]

This forum = Christians vs Muslims vs Atheists

I'm Jewish.

Then, if my logic follows through, based upon precedent, you must not exist.

[Ifreann]

A lot of stuff like that in the Bible, too.

True, but while we have proven the the Earth is not 6000 years old, we have yet to prove a scientific fact in the Quran that is false.

So when the Quran says that "We created you out of dust", as quoted above, that's never been contradicted by any finding of science?

[Conscentia]

This forum = Christians vs Muslims vs Atheists

And 1 deist.

A Christian deist.

[Mavorpen]

Address this:

Humand most definitely do not form in the manner the quran claims.

Call it what you wish, and believe in it as you wish. I don't care.
Fact remains the Quran said it over a millennium before humans proved it. That's something you can't change or do anything about.

Humans do NOT form in this manner:

Sura 22:5 says "We created you out of dust, then out of sperm, then out of a leech-like clot, then from a morsel of flesh, partly formed and partly unformed ... and We cause whom We will to rest in the wombs for an appointed term, then do We bring you out as babes." Sura 23:13-14 repeats this idea by saying God "placed him as (a drop of) sperm (nutfah) in a place of rest, firmly fixed; then We made the sperm into a clot of congealed blood (alaqa); then out of that clot We made a (foetus) lump (mudghah), then We made out of that lump bones and clothed the bones with flesh; then We developed out of it another creature." 75:38 also says man becomes an alaqaand 96:2 says we came from alaq.

[Conscentia]

Updated: This Forum= Christians vs Muslims vs Jews vs Dieists vs Atheists

The deist is a Christian.
That simplifies to Christians vs Muslims vs the Irreligious + 1 Jew

[Ordya]

Yes, and the bible says that God raised the mountains from the ground (which is true), but while impressive it by no means means the bible is literal truth.

I'm guessing you didn't do geography at school.

If you did, you'd know that mountains are not formed by dieties.

I didn't say they were.

[Menassa]

I'm Jewish.

Then, if my logic follows through, based upon precedent, you must not exist.

Oh no!

*vanishes in a puff of logic*

Updated: This Forum= Christians vs Muslims vs Jews vs Dieists vs Atheists

The deist is a Christian.
That simplifies to Christians vs Muslims vs the Irreligious + 1 Jew

He said: Forum... which there are pagans... satanists... and a whole plethora of others.

[Ordya]

Updated: This Forum= Christians vs Muslims vs Jews vs Dieists vs Atheists

The deist is a Christian.
That simplifies to Christians vs Muslims vs the Irreligious + 1 Jew

Christian deists aren't Christians. Perhaps give Google a try?

[Mavorpen]

So when the Quran says that "We created you out of dust", as quoted above, that's never been contradicted by any finding of science?

The claim is that God created the first humans himself, and that was humanity at first. He he did create Adam from clay. That is the claim.
The claim is by no means that each and every human being has been created of clay, only the first.

Adam didn't exist according to evolution. So you admit the quran is bunk.

[Hydronium]

True, but while we have proven the the Earth is not 6000 years old, we have yet to prove a scientific fact in the Quran that is false.
Difference is that The Bible is the story of Jesus, inspired by God, and written by humans like you and I. So there is room for errors.

Islamic belief states that the Quran is word by word from God himself. Take from that what you wish.

Which Bible... also don't you find it a bit shady that Mohhamed heard the word of God alone (and maybe a few of his friends?).... but that's not for this thread.

Actually, in the book of Genesis, Korah was the son of Abraham. He rebelled, and his decendant Mohammed was spoken to "By an angel" but in the bible (WERE IS THAT VERSE!!!) it says not to listen to an angel if what they said diverged from biblical teaching.

[Xathranaar]

Plants don't do a lot of things other animals tend to do. They still evolved.

Plants aren't animals anyway.

My point was that being distinct doesn't make you different, if you follow.

[Menassa]

Which Bible... also don't you find it a bit shady that Mohhamed heard the word of God alone (and maybe a few of his friends?).... but that's not for this thread.

Actually, in the book of Genesis, Korah was the son of Abraham. He rebelled, and his decendant Mohammed was spoken to "By an angel" but in the bible (WERE IS THAT VERSE!!!) it says not to listen to an angel if what they said diverged from biblical teaching.

Korah as in Korach? The man who rebelled against Moses? Abraham had two sons: Yittzchak and Yishmael, Issac and Ishmael.

[Conscentia]

The deist is a Christian.
That simplifies to Christians vs Muslims vs the Irreligious + 1 Jew

Christian deists aren't Christians. Perhaps give Google a try?

You are mistaken. A Christian deist is still a Christian. That's why they're labelled so.

[Ordya]

Plants aren't animals anyway.

My point was that being distinct doesn't make you different, if you follow.

But you weren't even comparing remotely similar things.

human cell = animal cell
plant cell =/= animal cell

[Czechanada]

My point was that being distinct doesn't make you different, if you follow.

But you weren't even comparing remotely similar things.

human cell = animal cell
plant cell =/= animal cell

That iterally is one of the first things a student learns in biology. Plant cells have a cell wall and animal cells do not, and such.

[Ifreann]

So when the Quran says that "We created you out of dust", as quoted above, that's never been contradicted by any finding of science?

The claim is that God created the first humans himself, and that was humanity at first. He he did create Adam from clay. That is the claim.
The claim is by no means that each and every human being has been created of clay, only the first.

Which sounds to me to be very much at odds with what we know about human biology and evolution. Now, I'm no expert, but to the best of my knowledge, the current understanding would be that there was no one first human, and that the first humans came simply from very slightly different parents, not from dust.

[Ordya]

Christian deists aren't Christians. Perhaps give Google a try?

You are mistaken. A Christian deist is still a Christian. That's why they're labelled so.

No, we're labelled so because we follow his teachings. It's the same as if I said I was Platonist deist or a Marxist deist. It doesn't change the fact that I'm still a deist. What you're thinking of are theistic rationalists.

[Ordya]

But you weren't even comparing remotely similar things.

human cell = animal cell
plant cell =/= animal cell

That iterally is one of the first things a student learns in biology. Plant cells have a cell wall and animal cells do not, and such.

Maybe he skipped?

[Kazarogkai]

I made my own personal Religion for my exclusive self because I am a pretentious prick who doesn't like other people too much and having too many similarities too them. Also my personal religion fits me well and my morals very strongly.

[Conscentia]

You are mistaken. A Christian deist is still a Christian. That's why they're labelled so.

No, we're labelled so because we follow his teachings.

Yes - That makes you Christian.
You're also deists.
Stick those terms next to each other: Christian deists.

It's the same as if I said I was Platonist deist or a Marxist deist. It doesn't change the fact that I'm still a deist. What you're thinking of are theistic rationalists.

Deism is a single theological position. It's not a religion in itself.

What you're saying is as absurd as saying that Christian theists are not Christians.

[Mavorpen]

Adam didn't exist according to evolution. So you admit the quran is bunk.

Not at all, I do believe in Evolution (mostly) and the Quran. Maybe we didn't come directly from apes, but I do however believe that Adam, this so called first human being, could not have been the modern homosapien. Most likely he was a primitive and far less evolved than the modern human: the first species (or subspecies) of the genus Homo. And from him him and his offspring we evolved into the modern human being.

In other words you're pulling shit out of your ass. Please source this claim with a peer reviewed paper. It is IMPOSSIBLE according to evolution for all humans to have evolved from one person.

[Ordya]

No, we're labelled so because we follow his teachings.

Yes - because you are Christian deists.

It's the same as if I said I was Platonist deist or a Marxist deist. It doesn't change the fact that I'm still a deist. What you're thinking of are theistic rationalists.

Deism is a single theological position. It's not a religion in itself.

What you're saying is as absurd as saying that Christian theists are not Christians.

I know it's not a religion

What is your definition of Christian?

[Conscentia]

Yes - because you are Christian deists.

Deism is a single theological position. It's not a religion in itself.

What you're saying is as absurd as saying that Christian theists are not Christians.

I know it's not a religion

What is your definition of Christian?

Dictionary: A person who is a believer in Jesus Christ and his teachings.

[The All Powerful Republic of Edionia]

I am a Southern Baptist mainly because I truly believe in the theology. A suppose a secondary reason would be because I was raised a Southern Baptist and that everyone where I live is a Southern Baptist. I guess I am a Protestant fundamentalist like everyone else in my community and we are proud of it.

Have you ever left the faith?

No, but at one point I was thinking of it.

[Menassa]

Have you ever left the faith?

No, but at one point I was thinking of it.

So, you're Christian because you were raised that way?