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Conscentia
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Postby Conscentia » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:09 pm

Crusifius wrote:My mother told my father about the man she saw, my father told it was my paternal great grandfather, basing on the looks.

You're basing this on a story based on your father nonsensically suggesting that she saw your great grandfather after listening to a verbal description of something he didn't perceive himself?
How absurd.
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Postby Northern Artic Islands » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:13 pm

Meh, Religion is just part of your homeland.

It's not really your belief, it's what your parents/whatever teached you when you were young, so it's just a matter of nationality/culture.

I'm Agnostic myself, because I don't care.
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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:15 pm

Northern Artic Islands wrote:Meh, Religion is just part of your homeland.

It's not really your belief, it's what your parents/whatever teached you when you were young, so it's just a matter of nationality/culture.

I'm Agnostic myself, because I don't care.

While you are partially correct you're not 100% correct.
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Postby Crusifius » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:19 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Crusifius wrote:My mother told my father about the man she saw, my father told it was my paternal great grandfather, basing on the looks.

You're basing this on a story based on your father nonsensically suggesting that she saw your great grandfather after listening to a verbal description of something he didn't perceive himself?
How absurd.

No, I'm basing on a true happened thing. Whatever you see it as a dream, prophecy or something else, it had an intention; it saved my life.

My mother saw that the man was bold, had a long trenchcoat, talked with a heavy accent and had a typical way of speaking, my father confirmed all these things on my paternal great grandfather.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:21 pm

Zavina wrote: Which was why I used the prefix "explicit", in order to connote positive/strong atheism. I know that some might be atheists by default, as they do not espouse the existance of any divine being in particular, yet do not necessarily deny that there might be any, perverbially speaking.

I'm still not understanding why this is extreme. Is believing that there is no unicorns extreme?
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Postby YellowApple » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:33 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Zavina wrote: Which was why I used the prefix "explicit", in order to connote positive/strong atheism. I know that some might be atheists by default, as they do not espouse the existance of any divine being in particular, yet do not necessarily deny that there might be any, perverbially speaking.

I'm still not understanding why this is extreme. Is believing that there is no unicorns extreme?


Unicorns totally exist and you know it :P

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Postby Reggae Magmia » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:47 pm

Northern Artic Islands wrote:Meh, Religion is just part of your homeland.

It's not really your belief, it's what your parents/whatever teached you when you were young, so it's just a matter of nationality/culture.

I'm Agnostic myself, because I don't care.

I was raised Protestant Christian.
78.4 of my country's population is Christian, 51.3% of which are Protestant.
I'm a Rastafari, who rejects organized religion, especially the dominating denominations within Christianity.

So no, it's not just a matter of nationality or culture.
This is no longer my main nation (got bored with it).

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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:50 pm

Crusifius wrote:
Great Nepal wrote:Fine, I take your word that you didn't make it up. Now, we are left with these possibilities:
1. Your mother exaggerated a vaguely related dream.
2. Your mother made up whole thing.
3. Someone played awesome practical joke on you.

I am going with 1 or 3.


Nope, we are taking it from primary school biology.

My mother told my father about the man she saw, my father told it was my paternal great grandfather, basing on the looks.

They lied to you.
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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:51 pm

Reggae Magmia wrote:
Northern Artic Islands wrote:Meh, Religion is just part of your homeland.

It's not really your belief, it's what your parents/whatever teached you when you were young, so it's just a matter of nationality/culture.

I'm Agnostic myself, because I don't care.

I was raised Protestant Christian.
78.4 of my country's population is Christian, 51.3% of which are Protestant.
I'm a Rastafari, who rejects organized religion, especially the dominating denominations within Christianity.

So no, it's not just a matter of nationality or culture.

How Rastafarian?
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Postby Crusifius » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:52 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Crusifius wrote:My mother told my father about the man she saw, my father told it was my paternal great grandfather, basing on the looks.

They lied to you.

Who are you to say that?
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Postby Reggae Magmia » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:53 pm

Menassa wrote:How Rastafarian?

I don't understand your question...
This is no longer my main nation (got bored with it).

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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:54 pm

Reggae Magmia wrote:
Menassa wrote:How Rastafarian?

I don't understand your question...

Like, laid back, Rastafarian.. more moderate?

Or Homosexual-Hating thinking you're the True Jews Rastafarian?
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:55 pm

Crusifius wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:They lied to you.

Who are you to say that?

Someone with an understand of probability?
He's just weighing the two sides.
>Your mother saw her husband's grandfather and described him accurately enough to your father for him to positively ID him without seeing him. Twenty years after his death.
or
>Your father was wrong, your mother was wrong, you are wrong or some combination of all those.
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Postby Reggae Magmia » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:59 pm

Menassa wrote:
Reggae Magmia wrote:I don't understand your question...

Like, laid back, Rastafarian.. more moderate?

Or Homosexual-Hating thinking you're the True Jews Rastafarian?

Laid back and moderate. I belong to the Twelve Tribes mansion, which is by far the most liberal. The other mansions are too fundamentalist for me (their deification of H.I.M. is another issue I have).
This is no longer my main nation (got bored with it).

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Postby Crusifius » Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:59 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Crusifius wrote:Who are you to say that?

Someone with an understand of probability?
He's just weighing the two sides.
>Your mother saw her husband's grandfather and described him accurately enough to your father for him to positively ID him without seeing him. Twenty years after his death.
or
>Your father was wrong, your mother was wrong, you are wrong or some combination of all those.

I know he weights down the possibilities, I am convinced for 100% it happened, but to call other people liars without actually knowing them is quite, disrespectfull
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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:02 pm

Reggae Magmia wrote:
Menassa wrote:Like, laid back, Rastafarian.. more moderate?

Or Homosexual-Hating thinking you're the True Jews Rastafarian?

Laid back and moderate. I belong to the Twelve Tribes mansion, which is by far the most liberal. The other mansions are too fundamentalist for me (their deification of H.I.M. is another issue I have).

So... you don't hate Homosexuals and think you're Jews?

H.I.M.?
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Kvatchdom » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:03 pm

Farnhamia wrote:
Kvatchdom wrote:I don't care about religion, thus I'm an agnostic atheist.

How can you be sure?

I'm not. I just don't talk about it that much, as I do not care. I think Apatheist would describe me better.
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:09 pm

Crusifius wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Someone with an understand of probability?
He's just weighing the two sides.
>Your mother saw her husband's grandfather and described him accurately enough to your father for him to positively ID him without seeing him. Twenty years after his death.
or
>Your father was wrong, your mother was wrong, you are wrong or some combination of all those.

I know he weights down the possibilities, I am convinced for 100% it happened, but to call other people liars without actually knowing them is quite, disrespectfull

He thought it more likely that you were simply lying than your parents had lied or misidentified him.
If you think it's disrespectful, prove him wrong by giving even just one reason to believe you.
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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:09 pm

Crusifius wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:They lied to you.

Who are you to say that?

You. Your bullshit story isn't fooling anyone.
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Postby Reggae Magmia » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:10 pm

Menassa wrote:
Reggae Magmia wrote:Laid back and moderate. I belong to the Twelve Tribes mansion, which is by far the most liberal. The other mansions are too fundamentalist for me (their deification of H.I.M. is another issue I have).

So... you don't hate Homosexuals and think you're Jews?

H.I.M.?

No I don't hate homosexuals. Actually, Rastafari helped me deal with my previous slight-homophobia.
I don't know about being Jews. It's still something I'm researching. My current position is no I do not think we're Jews.

It's an abbreviation of His Imperial Majesty, a reference to Haile Selassie I.
This is no longer my main nation (got bored with it).

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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:11 pm

Reggae Magmia wrote:
Menassa wrote:So... you don't hate Homosexuals and think you're Jews?

H.I.M.?

No I don't hate homosexuals. Actually, Rastafari helped me deal with my previous slight-homophobia.
I don't know about being Jews. It's still something I'm researching. My current position is no I do not think we're Jews.

It's an abbreviation of His Imperial Majesty, a reference to Haile Selassie I.

Hmm, I thought they disliked homosexuals.

Sounds like fun.
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"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
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Postby The United Soviet Socialist Republic » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:12 pm

Crusifius wrote:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:I converted to Lutheranism because I considered it to be true.

But why?

:eyebrow:

Why does anyone consider their religion true.
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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:14 pm

:geek:
The United Soviet Socialist Republic wrote:
Crusifius wrote:But why?

:eyebrow:

Why does anyone consider their religion true.

Validity.
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Dyakovo » Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:14 pm

Crusifius wrote:
Tlaceceyaya wrote:Someone with an understand of probability?
He's just weighing the two sides.
>Your mother saw her husband's grandfather and described him accurately enough to your father for him to positively ID him without seeing him. Twenty years after his death.
or
>Your father was wrong, your mother was wrong, you are wrong or some combination of all those.

I know he weights down the possibilities, I am convinced for 100% it happened, but to call other people liars without actually knowing them is quite, disrespectfull

I see no reason to show any respect what so ever to anyone who thinks that story is a believable lie.
Now are you going to provide evidence that it actually happened or are you going to admit what the rest of us already know?
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