Why are you your Religion?

[Seperates]

No. God resides in the Heavens. Which I never remember being defines as a different dimension in the Bible. We have been to the Heavens, and as of yet have found no God.

In order, to help you up, ask the Jews about cosmology.

The Heaven that is called the abode of God is not the heaven that is the atmosphere where airplanes and birds fly. The First Heaven is the physical atmosphere of the Earth. The Second Heaven is the outer space, and yet, we've been to outer space and we have never seen God there. As stated in the Book of Corinthians, the Third Heaven, is the abode of God, and no one had gone to the Third Heaven, so you have a problem of seeing God.

That's your first problem.

Your second problem is that you are not sure if Heaven (Third Heaven) is a physical or a spiritual place. Again, that bars you from going to Third Heaven and seeing God.

Your third problem is you are not sure if God is a physical or a spiritual being. If he is a spiritual being that you cannot see in a spiritual dimension where you cannot go, and you are not a Christian whatsoever, you cannot see God.

However, the Jews were also under the impression, thanks to Greek influence, that the Earth was the center of the cosmos and that the heavenly spheres were perfect. So why would I believe that they got the other stuff that they COULDN'T see correct, if they were not even able to accuratly discern what they could see?

Oh, and I was a Christian, and even then I could not see God (not for lack of trying).
In searching for God I have found nothing but the infinite cosmos. And it is more beautiful, mysterious, and awe-inspiring than any ape-made God could ever be.

[Tlaceceyaya]

No. God resides in the Heavens. Which I never remember being defines as a different dimension in the Bible. We have been to the Heavens, and as of yet have found no God.

In order, to help you up, ask the Jews about cosmology.

The Heaven that is called the abode of God is not the heaven that is the atmosphere where airplanes and birds fly. The First Heaven is the physical atmosphere of the Earth. The Second Heaven is the outer space, and yet, we've been to outer space and we have never seen God there. As stated in the Book of Corinthians, the Third Heaven, is the abode of God, and no one had gone to the Third Heaven, so you have a problem of seeing God.

That's your first problem.

Your second problem is that you are not sure if Heaven (Third Heaven) is a physical or a spiritual place. Again, that bars you from going to Third Heaven and seeing God.

Your third problem is you are not sure if God is a physical or a spiritual being. If he is a spiritual being that you cannot see in a spiritual dimension where you cannot go, and you are not a Christian whatsoever, you cannot see God.

If we cannot observe heaven, then we have no more reason to believe in it than in Valhalla.

But your main problem is that you're trusting a book written by a desert tribe thousands of years ago on cosmology.

[YellowApple]

A thing that is not proven does not require proof to disprove.
More so, you make an extraordinary claim without extraordinary evidence I can summarily dismiss your claim without evidence.

That is just the logical fallacy of "argument of existence", if there is no evidence, it does not mean that it is suddenly proven. If I say there is an ice cream factory in Alpha Centauri, and there is no evidence, that does not mean that my claim is not valid albeit ridiculous.

Thanks to you, the first thing I'm going to do when I build my spaceship and fly to Alpha Centauri is build an ice cream factory.

[Menassa]

No. God resides in the Heavens. Which I never remember being defines as a different dimension in the Bible. We have been to the Heavens, and as of yet have found no God.

In order, to help you up, ask the Jews about cosmology.

The Heaven that is called the abode of God is not the heaven that is the atmosphere where airplanes and birds fly. The First Heaven is the physical atmosphere of the Earth. The Second Heaven is the outer space, and yet, we've been to outer space and we have never seen God there. As stated in the Book of Corinthians, the Third Heaven, is the abode of God, and no one had gone to the Third Heaven, so you have a problem of seeing God.

That's your first problem.

Your second problem is that you are not sure if Heaven (Third Heaven) is a physical or a spiritual place. Again, that bars you from going to Third Heaven and seeing God.

Your third problem is you are not sure if God is a physical or a spiritual being. If he is a spiritual being that you cannot see in a spiritual dimension where you cannot go, and you are not a Christian whatsoever, you cannot see God.

1: Source?
2: Only Christians can see God?

[Menassa]

LOL.

Actually it'd be לול

Not if the Aleph has a Cholem, believe I've been through this.

[Zottistan]

I don't need to disprove God though, if he has never been proven in the first place.

A thing that is not proven is never disproved.

There's still absolutely no reason to believe in it.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

However, the Jews were also under the impression, thanks to Greek influence, that the Earth was the center of the cosmos and that the heavenly spheres were perfect. So why would I believe that they got the other stuff that they COULDN'T see correct, if they were not even able to accuratly discern what they could see?

I only cited Jewish cosmology to help you clear the impression that Heaven in the Bible is Earth's skies.

There is nothing in the Bible that said that the Earth was the center of the cosmos and the heavenly spheres were perfect.

[Menassa]

I only cited Jewish cosmology to help you clear the impression that Heaven in the Bible is Earth's skies.

There is nothing in the Bible that said that the Earth was the center of the cosmos and the heavenly spheres were perfect.

Cited implying you had a source?

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

A thing that is not proven is never disproved.

There's still absolutely no reason to believe in it.

But it is not disproven and the possible validity of its existence still stands.

[Marceant]

i have no religion i think all religion is bad

[YellowApple]

The Heaven that is called the abode of God is not the heaven that is the atmosphere where airplanes and birds fly. The First Heaven is the physical atmosphere of the Earth. The Second Heaven is the outer space, and yet, we've been to outer space and we have never seen God there. As stated in the Book of Corinthians, the Third Heaven, is the abode of God, and no one had gone to the Third Heaven, so you have a problem of seeing God.

Then why - according to the Old Testament - did God freak out when the people of Babel attempted to build a tower that was tall enough to supposedly reach Heaven? That would imply that heaven is indeed vertically upward and in the same physical universe/dimension/plane/etc. as our Earth.

[Mavorpen]

A thing that is not proven does not require proof to disprove.
More so, you make an extraordinary claim without extraordinary evidence I can summarily dismiss your claim without evidence.

That is just the logical fallacy of "argument of existence", if there is no evidence, it does not mean that it is suddenly proven. If I say there is an ice cream factory in Alpha Centauri, and there is no evidence, that does not mean that my claim is not valid albeit ridiculous.

That's not a logical fallacy, that's called science. You know, the thing that gave you the magical box that you're using to post your nonsense on this forum.

[Mavorpen]

There's still absolutely no reason to believe in it.

But it is not disproven and the possible validity of its existence still stands.

So basically God doesn't exist.

[Seperates]

A thing that is not proven does not require proof to disprove.
More so, you make an extraordinary claim without extraordinary evidence I can summarily dismiss your claim without evidence.

That is just the logical fallacy of "argument of existence", if there is no evidence, it does not mean that it is suddenly proven. If I say there is an ice cream factory in Alpha Centauri, and there is no evidence, that does not mean that my claim is not valid albeit ridiculous.

Ok. Show me the ice cream factory. I see no reason to believe you.
And none of that "Oh it used to be here, but now there's a parking lot, oh what has society become." nonsense.

[Divair]

Actually it'd be לול

Not if the Aleph has a Cholem, believe I've been through this.

It would work, aye, but לול would make more sense given that you wouldn't need to add nikud.

[Costa Mayo]

I am a Christan because I was raised Christian but later discovered a relationship with God separate from my family with the help of my pastor.

[Zottistan]

There's still absolutely no reason to believe in it.

But it is not disproven and the possible validity of its existence still stands.

Well, yeah, but the validity of invisible undetectable elves is just as likely.

[Great Nepal]

A thing that is not proven does not require proof to disprove.
More so, you make an extraordinary claim without extraordinary evidence I can summarily dismiss your claim without evidence.

That is just the logical fallacy of "argument of existence", if there is no evidence, it does not mean that it is suddenly proven. If I say there is an ice cream factory in Alpha Centauri, and there is no evidence, that does not mean that my claim is not valid albeit ridiculous.

If none of existing evidence support existence of this ice cream factory in Alpha Centauri, for everyday purposes we can take said factory to not exist.
Same reason why we accept there to be no fluorine teacup orbiting sun 2 meters above surface, no flying spaghetti monster and universe not being created by me farting.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

I only cited Jewish cosmology to help you clear the impression that Heaven in the Bible is Earth's skies.

There is nothing in the Bible that said that the Earth was the center of the cosmos and the heavenly spheres were perfect.

Cited implying you had a source?

If ever, there is written in Ecclesiastes, Psalms or Proverbs saying that the "sun rises from the east and goes to the west" implying that the Earth is the center. But, the truth is it just speaks from the perspective of a man on Earth. Clearly, you are on Earth and so, you see the Sun rise from the East and go to the West, that is an optical illusion because you are on the Earth as your frame of reference.

A similarity is on the weather news where they say "sunset" and "sunrise" but that does not mean that they say the Sun sets nor the Sun rises, they are just speaking from Earth's frame of reference.

[Conscentia]

There's still absolutely no reason to believe in it.

But it is not disproven and the possible validity of its existence still stands.

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, one can only assume that something is not true.
It's only logical.

(And conversely, to believe in something when there is no evidence to support that belief is illogical.)

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

The Heaven that is called the abode of God is not the heaven that is the atmosphere where airplanes and birds fly. The First Heaven is the physical atmosphere of the Earth. The Second Heaven is the outer space, and yet, we've been to outer space and we have never seen God there. As stated in the Book of Corinthians, the Third Heaven, is the abode of God, and no one had gone to the Third Heaven, so you have a problem of seeing God.

Then why - according to the Old Testament - did God freak out when the people of Babel attempted to build a tower that was tall enough to supposedly reach Heaven? That would imply that heaven is indeed vertically upward and in the same physical universe/dimension/plane/etc. as our Earth.

The point is the pride of Man. Man became so proud and thought they could do everything. And, with the fact that they have the same language and the same race, if their pride goes too high, they could become get so dicks.

Also, their assumption that God is up there high so they can build a tower so high that they can go to God reveals of their stupidity and being dick.

So, God punished them because of their endless pride and there need a way to divide them so they will not help together as to go against God.

It's not that Heaven is up there.

[YellowApple]

But it is not disproven and the possible validity of its existence still stands.

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, one can only assume that something is not true.
It's only logical.

(And conversely, to believe in something when there is no evidence to support that belief is illogical.)

To "assume" anything is unscientific. One should focus on finding the truth in what has been proven, and leave unproven hypotheses as merely unproven.

[Tlaceceyaya]

Then why - according to the Old Testament - did God freak out when the people of Babel attempted to build a tower that was tall enough to supposedly reach Heaven? That would imply that heaven is indeed vertically upward and in the same physical universe/dimension/plane/etc. as our Earth.

The point is the pride of Man. Man became so proud and thought they could do everything. And, with the fact that they have the same language and the same race, if their pride goes too high, they could become get so dicks.

Also, their assumption that God is up there high so they can build a tower so high that they can go to God reveals of their stupidity and being dick.

So, God punished them because of their endless pride and there need a way to divide them so they will not help together as to go against God.

It's not that Heaven is up there.

So it's just that god is insecure?
Compensating?

[Big Jim P]

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, one can only assume that something is not true.
It's only logical.

(And conversely, to believe in something when there is no evidence to support that belief is illogical.)

To "assume" anything is unscientific. One should focus on finding the truth in what has been proven, and leave unproven hypotheses as merely unproven.

then trying to prove or disprove them.

[The Third Nova Terra of Scrin]

That is just the logical fallacy of "argument of existence", if there is no evidence, it does not mean that it is suddenly proven. If I say there is an ice cream factory in Alpha Centauri, and there is no evidence, that does not mean that my claim is not valid albeit ridiculous.

That's not a logical fallacy, that's called science. You know, the thing that gave you the magical box that you're using to post your nonsense on this forum.

So, you're saying that the "logical fallacy" of "argument of existence" is a science? You're so confusing coupled with the fact that you're just repeating the line "So, God dosen't exists" makes you a little bit funny.