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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:02 am

The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
Seperates wrote:I don't need to disprove God though, if he has never been proven in the first place.


A thing that is not proven is never disproved.

Do you believe in Thor?
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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:03 am

The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
Menassa wrote:But it is possible to look at earth and see that no Godly entity resides there.


If your religion believes that a Godly Entity resides on the Earth and then, you had searched the whole Earth and saw no God, then your God is not real. But other religions like Christianity does not believe in a God that lives on Earth, but rather, a transcendental God in a different dimension.

So you believe that God does nothing for the earth?

Hardly an omnipotent God.
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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:04 am

Seperates wrote:
The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
If your religion believes that a Godly Entity resides on the Earth and then, you had searched the whole Earth and saw no God, then your God is not real. But other religions like Christianity does not believe in a God that lives on Earth, but rather, a transcendental God in a different dimension.

No. God resides in the Heavens. Which I never remember being defines as a different dimension in the Bible. We have been to the Heavens, and as of yet have found no God.

Perhaps it is found in the Oral Law that heaven is not literal.... however Christian Posters have nothing to do with the Oral Law.... besides denying it ;)
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"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
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Postby Seperates » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:04 am

The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
Seperates wrote:I don't need to disprove God though, if he has never been proven in the first place.


A thing that is not proven is never disproved.

A thing that is not proven does not require proof to disprove.
More so, you make an extraordinary claim without extraordinary evidence I can summarily dismiss your claim without evidence.
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:04 am

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:No. God resides in the Heavens. Which I never remember being defines as a different dimension in the Bible. We have been to the Heavens, and as of yet have found no God.

Perhaps it is found in the Oral Law that heaven is not literal.... however Christian Posters have nothing to do with the Oral Law.... besides denying it ;)

Rick Santorum thought it was too kinky, so he ignores it.
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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:05 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Menassa wrote:Perhaps it is found in the Oral Law that heaven is not literal.... however Christian Posters have nothing to do with the Oral Law.... besides denying it ;)

Rick Santorum thought it was too kinky, so he ignores it.

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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:06 am

Menassa wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Menassa: Since the era of the Prophets, the two cannot be separated.

Unfortunately humanity declines in spiritual growth from Sinai... we feel as if our Goof our physical body pulls more in the direction of the earth than our soul does to heaven.


I think Pratchett said: Humans are where the rising ape meets the descending angel.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:06 am

Menassa wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Rick Santorum thought it was too kinky, so he ignores it.

Lamed Aleph Lamed.


Roberts would not be amused.

:rofl:
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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:07 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Menassa wrote:Unfortunately humanity declines in spiritual growth from Sinai... we feel as if our Goof our physical body pulls more in the direction of the earth than our soul does to heaven.


I think Pratchett said: Humans are where the rising ape meets the descending angel.

That's why we have ultimate respect for our elders... for they're closer to the National Revelation.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby The Third Nova Terra of Scrin » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:07 am

Seperates wrote:
The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
If your religion believes that a Godly Entity resides on the Earth and then, you had searched the whole Earth and saw no God, then your God is not real. But other religions like Christianity does not believe in a God that lives on Earth, but rather, a transcendental God in a different dimension.

No. God resides in the Heavens. Which I never remember being defines as a different dimension in the Bible. We have been to the Heavens, and as of yet have found no God.


In order, to help you up, ask the Jews about cosmology.

The Heaven that is called the abode of God is not the heaven that is the atmosphere where airplanes and birds fly. The First Heaven is the physical atmosphere of the Earth. The Second Heaven is the outer space, and yet, we've been to outer space and we have never seen God there. As stated in the Book of Corinthians, the Third Heaven, is the abode of God, and no one had gone to the Third Heaven, so you have a problem of seeing God.

That's your first problem.

Your second problem is that you are not sure if Heaven (Third Heaven) is a physical or a spiritual place. Again, that bars you from going to Third Heaven and seeing God.

Your third problem is you are not sure if God is a physical or a spiritual being. If he is a spiritual being that you cannot see in a spiritual dimension where you cannot go, and you are not a Christian whatsoever, you cannot see God.
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Postby Seperates » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:07 am

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:No. God resides in the Heavens. Which I never remember being defines as a different dimension in the Bible. We have been to the Heavens, and as of yet have found no God.

Perhaps it is found in the Oral Law that heaven is not literal.... however Christian Posters have nothing to do with the Oral Law.... besides denying it ;)

Obviously. Hopefully this matter will get cleared up in my Bible class sufficently enough. (Although then we have to prove that there are different dimensions, something that we have yet to physically do)
This Debate is simply an exercise in Rhetoric. Truth is a fickle being with no intentions of showing itself today.

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Postby The Realm of God » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:07 am

The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
Menassa wrote:But it is possible to look at earth and see that no Godly entity resides there.


If your religion believes that a Godly Entity resides on the Earth and then, you had searched the whole Earth and saw no God, then your God is not real. But other religions like Christianity does not believe in a God that lives on Earth, but rather, a transcendental God in a different dimension.


The Kingdom of God is here on Earth, said Kant it's about behavior.

Your logic is sound and I can't fault it. However how do you answer the Pantheist problem, of God is the universe and I look for the universe and find the universe, have I found God? To use such logic you need to define the God you are looking for, your logic works for transcendent Gods but not all.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:07 am

Menassa wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Rick Santorum thought it was too kinky, so he ignores it.

Lamed Aleph Lamed.

Interesting laugh you have there. :p
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Postby Syadei » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:07 am

Not Religious, I see no point in it, And it's the cause of allot of Wars.


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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:08 am

Big Jim P wrote:
Menassa wrote:Lamed Aleph Lamed.


Roberts would not be amused.

:rofl:

Roberts?
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby YellowApple » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:08 am

Mavorpen wrote:
The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
A thing that is not proven is never disproved.

Do you believe in Thor?


I personally am open to the concept of Thor existing should there be conclusive evidence indicating his existence.
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Postby Menassa » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:08 am

Conscentia wrote:
Menassa wrote:Lamed Aleph Lamed.

לאל?

LOL.
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"A missionary uses the Bible like a drunk uses a lamppost, not so much for illumination, but for support"
"Imagine of a bunch of Zulu tribesmen told Congress how to read the Constitution, that's how it feels to a Jew when you tell us how to read our bible"
"God said: you must teach, as I taught, without a fee."
"Against your will you are formed, against your will you are born, against your will you live, against your will you die, and against your will you are destined to give a judgement and accounting before the king, king of all kings..."

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:08 am

The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
Seperates wrote:No. God resides in the Heavens. Which I never remember being defines as a different dimension in the Bible. We have been to the Heavens, and as of yet have found no God.


In order, to help you up, ask the Jews about cosmology.

The Heaven that is called the abode of God is not the heaven that is the atmosphere where airplanes and birds fly. The First Heaven is the physical atmosphere of the Earth. The Second Heaven is the outer space, and yet, we've been to outer space and we have never seen God there. As stated in the Book of Corinthians, the Third Heaven, is the abode of God, and no one had gone to the Third Heaven, so you have a problem of seeing God.

That's your first problem.

Your second problem is that you are not sure if Heaven (Third Heaven) is a physical or a spiritual place. Again, that bars you from going to Third Heaven and seeing God.

Your third problem is you are not sure if God is a physical or a spiritual being. If he is a spiritual being that you cannot see in a spiritual dimension where you cannot go, and you are not a Christian whatsoever, you cannot see God.

So God doesn't exist.
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Postby The Third Nova Terra of Scrin » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:09 am

Seperates wrote:
The Third Nova Terra of Scrin wrote:
A thing that is not proven is never disproved.

A thing that is not proven does not require proof to disprove.
More so, you make an extraordinary claim without extraordinary evidence I can summarily dismiss your claim without evidence.


That is just the logical fallacy of "argument of existence", if there is no evidence, it does not mean that it is suddenly proven. If I say there is an ice cream factory in Alpha Centauri, and there is no evidence, that does not mean that my claim is not valid albeit ridiculous.
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Postby YellowApple » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:09 am

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:לאל?

LOL.


I would have guessed "LAL", but I suppose that works too.
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Postby Big Jim P » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:09 am

Menassa wrote:
Big Jim P wrote:
Roberts would not be amused.

:rofl:

Roberts?


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Postby Divair » Fri Feb 15, 2013 11:09 am

Menassa wrote:
Conscentia wrote:לאל?

LOL.

Actually it'd be לול

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