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Postby Valentir » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:16 pm

I was born catholic and I'm now a, I don't really know what to call it. I believe that every religion is true. Christianity, Islam, and all the others are true. And that they are different ways of worshiping the same deity. And I despise those who bash religion. No you won't burn in hell but you really need to back off. And for Religious People let them be. Karma gets everyone. ;)

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Postby Blouman Empire » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:17 pm

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So they too don't use reason and logic? After all it was stated on this thread that if you're not using the scientific method then your not using reason and logic.

If you aren't using something related to the scietific method, then you aren't properly using deductive reasoning and logic.


So only the physical sciences use reason and logic and everything else is not?
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Postby Seperates » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:18 pm

Valentir wrote:I was born catholic and I'm now a, I don't really know what to call it. I believe that every religion is true. Christianity, Islam, and all the others are true. And that they are different ways of worshiping the same deity. And I despise those who bash religion. No you won't burn in hell but you really need to back off. And for Religious People let them be. Karma gets everyone. ;)

So... you think we should have human sacrifices to Armok the Blood God?
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Postby Valentir » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:19 pm

Seperates wrote:
Valentir wrote:I was born catholic and I'm now a, I don't really know what to call it. I believe that every religion is true. Christianity, Islam, and all the others are true. And that they are different ways of worshiping the same deity. And I despise those who bash religion. No you won't burn in hell but you really need to back off. And for Religious People let them be. Karma gets everyone. ;)

So... you think we should have human sacrifices to Armok the Blood God?

Ok I mean every modern Religion, not Roman, Greek, Norse, Egyptian mythologies.

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Postby Seperates » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:23 pm

Blouman Empire wrote:
Seperates wrote:If you aren't using something related to the scietific method, then you aren't properly using deductive reasoning and logic.


So only the physical sciences use reason and logic and everything else is not?

Notice the words 'related' and 'deductive'. Only the physical science are able to properly use the scientific method because their subject are not generally human in nature. It's also because it focuses on the 'what' and tends to regard the 'why' as irrelevent, unlike the social sciences, which are a mixture of ideals, science and philosophy. Physical science answers very specific questions. Social science trys to find what exactly the question is we are supposed to be asking.
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Postby The USOT » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:39 pm

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Condunum wrote:Eh?

According to one passage, Jesus states that he has come to affirm the old laws, not destroy them. At least, as far as I can recall.

And the whole salvation + sacrafice thing makes no sense without the OT.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:40 pm

The USOT wrote:
Seperates wrote:According to one passage, Jesus states that he has come to affirm the old laws, not destroy them. At least, as far as I can recall.

And the whole salvation + sacrafice thing makes no sense without the OT.

It actually makes no sense with the OT from my perspective.
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Postby Seperates » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:42 pm

Menassa wrote:
The USOT wrote:And the whole salvation + sacrafice thing makes no sense without the OT.

It actually makes no sense with the OT from my perspective.

The entire thing makes no sense outside of the realm of the fictional universe in which the Bible operates.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:43 pm

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Menassa wrote:It actually makes no sense with the OT from my perspective.

The entire thing makes no sense outside of the realm of the fictional universe in which the Bible operates.

I was stating specifically with the OT.
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Postby Seperates » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:44 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:The entire thing makes no sense outside of the realm of the fictional universe in which the Bible operates.

I was stating specifically with the OT.

Fine then.
No objection.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:46 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:I was stating specifically with the OT.

Fine then.
No objection.

But of course if you think none of them make sense. :p
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Postby Seperates » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:50 pm

Menassa wrote:
Seperates wrote:Fine then.
No objection.

But of course if you think none of them make sense. :p

Allow me to clarify, they make sense within their historical contexts, and they (for the most part) make sense within the narrative they have constructed. However, as an objective look at the functioning of reality and the philosophical quandries of humanities plight to find meaning in the meaningless, they fall far short sensical and rational given what we now understand and can perceive about the universe.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:51 pm

Valentir wrote:I was born catholic

Actually, no you weren't...
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Postby Valentir » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:52 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Valentir wrote:I was born catholic

Actually, no you weren't...

Actually Yes I was, it was the way I was raised from birth. Now please if your gonna bash religion get out of my face.

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Postby Seperates » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:54 pm

Valentir wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Actually, no you weren't...

Actually Yes I was, it was the way I was raised from birth. Now please if your gonna bash religion get out of my face.

As an ex-Catholic, I was under the impression that one was baptised into Catholicism. Or am I incorrect?
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Postby Tlaceceyaya » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:57 pm

Valentir wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Actually, no you weren't...

Actually Yes I was, it was the way I was raised from birth. Now please if your gonna bash religion get out of my face.

You were born an atheist.
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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:57 pm

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Valentir wrote:Actually Yes I was, it was the way I was raised from birth. Now please if your gonna bash religion get out of my face.

As an ex-Catholic, I was under the impression that one was baptised into Catholicism. Or am I incorrect?

Clearly his mother's juices were his baptising water.
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Postby Seperates » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:58 pm

Nightkill the Emperor wrote:
Seperates wrote:As an ex-Catholic, I was under the impression that one was baptised into Catholicism. Or am I incorrect?

Clearly his mother's juices were his baptising water.

Ew.
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Postby Geilinor » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:08 pm

I'm an agnostic atheist, though I do like some philosophy from Buddhism and Taoism.
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Postby Transhuman Proteus » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:09 pm

Valentir wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Actually, no you weren't...

Actually Yes I was, it was the way I was raised from birth. Now please if your gonna bash religion get out of my face.


Babies aren't born with a religion.

You can be born to very Catholic parents who raise you in a very Catholic way, but religion is an aquired trait for humans, not something they are born with.

Hence if you were born to Hindu parents you'd probably become a Hindu until such a time you might decide to reject it, if you were born to Muslim parents you'd probably become a Muslim until such a time you might decide to reject it. The likelihood of you rejecting or converting to another faith would be strongly influenced by the way you parents raised you and the culture you lived in.

Plus then there are rituals that often factor into whether one is officially "X" - baptisms, circumcisions, coming of age ceremonies etc No one is born baptized.
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Postby Menassa » Sat Feb 09, 2013 7:29 pm

Seperates wrote:
Menassa wrote:But of course if you think none of them make sense. :p

Allow me to clarify, they make sense within their historical contexts, and they (for the most part) make sense within the narrative they have constructed. However, as an objective look at the functioning of reality and the philosophical quandries of humanities plight to find meaning in the meaningless, they fall far short sensical and rational given what we now understand and can perceive about the universe.

Again... my main objective is to further prove the invention and creation of a mostly narrative book to fit a historical religious text.... proving that historical/religious text and the Deity behind is just a side thing :p
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Postby Valentir » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:17 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Valentir wrote:Actually Yes I was, it was the way I was raised from birth. Now please if your gonna bash religion get out of my face.

You were born an atheist.

No I was born with No religion, I wasn't born not believing in God and To some one who asked I was baptized a Catholic that's what I mean't. So I guess I was born with no religion, I wasn't born an Atheist as Atheism is a aquried trait as well. Its something people end up choosing to believe.

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Postby Tekania » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:17 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
Valentir wrote:I was born catholic

Actually, no you weren't...


Well, maybe he is an "Every Sperm is Sacred" catholic.
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Postby Valentir » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:18 pm

Tekania wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Actually, no you weren't...


Well, maybe he is an "Every Sperm is Sacred" catholic.

No I'm not look at my first post on this thread then come back and tell me I'm a true Catholic.

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Postby Xathranaar » Sat Feb 09, 2013 8:23 pm

Tlaceceyaya wrote:
Valentir wrote:Actually Yes I was, it was the way I was raised from birth. Now please if your gonna bash religion get out of my face.

You were born an atheist.

Naw. You're a Catholic the moment dad came.
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