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Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:58 am**

Hevzane wrote:It isn't my opinion remember.

I wish it were possible to express myself without being banned.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:24 am**

Divair wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.

Can't wear mixed fabric clothing, either.

If you read Mathew 5:17 you could argue that all the laws set out by Deuteronomy and Leviticus all still apply to Christians. Assuming that these Christians refuse to abandon their faith completely would you really prefer that they follow the laws of the Old Testament to the letter?

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:25 am**

Fnordgasm 5 wrote:
Divair wrote:Can't wear mixed fabric clothing, either.

If you read Mathew 5:17 you could argue that all the laws set out by Deuteronomy and Leviticus all still apply to Christians. Assuming that these Christians refuse to abandon their faith completely would you really prefer that they follow the laws of the Old Testament to the letter?

I'm hoping they realize that it's insane to enforce religious beliefs on others before that happens.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:27 am**

Divair wrote:
Fnordgasm 5 wrote:

If you read Mathew 5:17 you could argue that all the laws set out by Deuteronomy and Leviticus all still apply to Christians. Assuming that these Christians refuse to abandon their faith completely would you really prefer that they follow the laws of the Old Testament to the letter?

I'm hoping they realize that it's insane to enforce religious beliefs on others before that happens.

I wouldn't hold your breath, mate.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:32 am**

Divair wrote:
Fnordgasm 5 wrote:

If you read Mathew 5:17 you could argue that all the laws set out by Deuteronomy and Leviticus all still apply to Christians. Assuming that these Christians refuse to abandon their faith completely would you really prefer that they follow the laws of the Old Testament to the letter?

I'm hoping they realize that it's insane to enforce religious beliefs on others before that happens.

The only way I see that happening is if it were another religion trying to enforce their beliefs on them. I'm sure they'll see it then. Until then I'll be satisfied that they're slowly losing ground and accept that their hypocrisy means at least they're not trying to stone people.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:24 am**

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Hevzane wrote:
It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.

Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.

Excuse me? I take offense to that. The Orthodox church doesnt believe in that.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:25 am**

Napkiraly wrote:
Divair wrote:I'm hoping they realize that it's insane to enforce religious beliefs on others before that happens.

I wouldn't hold your breath, mate.

One can hope.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:32 am**

Hevzane wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.

Excuse me? I take offense to that. The Orthodox church doesnt believe in that.

I'd suggest reading the Bible a few times before immediately following your denomination's dogma.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:46 pm**

Ceannairceach wrote:
Hevzane wrote:
Excuse me? I take offense to that. The Orthodox church doesnt believe in that.

I'd suggest reading the Bible a few times before immediately following your denomination's dogma.

I'm not Amish you know. Im GREEK orthodox. We don't wear simple clothes and things like that.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:48 pm**

Hevzane wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:I'd suggest reading the Bible a few times before immediately following your denomination's dogma.

I'm not Amish you know. Im GREEK orthodox. We don't wear simple clothes and things like that.

Which still has the Old and New Testaments, I believe.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:49 pm**

Hevzane wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:I'd suggest reading the Bible a few times before immediately following your denomination's dogma.

I'm not Amish you know. Im GREEK orthodox. We don't wear simple clothes and things like that.

You've obviously never read the Bible thoroughly enough to know what you're talking about.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:50 pm**

Hevzane wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:I'd suggest reading the Bible a few times before immediately following your denomination's dogma.

I'm not Amish you know. Im GREEK orthodox. We don't wear simple clothes and things like that.

But you follow the Bible, correct?

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:51 pm**

Hevzane wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.

Excuse me? I take offense to that. The Orthodox church doesnt believe in that.

Then the Orthodox church is profoundly hypocritical.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:52 pm**

Hevzane wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
I have a problem with you denying other people equal legal recognition and equal rights because of your prejudices, yes.

It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.

Indeed. As Jesus was often wont to say about homosexuality, "......................................"

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:53 pm**

I think gays should be allowed to access the same life-ruining institution as the rest of us.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 12:54 pm**

Hevzane wrote:It isn't my opinion remember.

Yes it is. I hate when people try to hide their own opinions behind "God said so." Well, by saying "God said so." you're also implicitly saying "Everything god says is correct." which automatically implies that you agree with god. You can't disagree with someone you hold to be axiomatically correct.

Besides, neurologically, god's opinions are just your opinions anyway.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:38 pm**

Hevzane wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
I have a problem with you denying other people equal legal recognition and equal rights because of your prejudices, yes.

It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.

Jesus also said the Law of Moses no longer applies.... so... yeah... there's that.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:42 pm**

Hevzane wrote:
Ostroeuropa wrote:
Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.

Excuse me? I take offense to that. The Orthodox church doesnt believe in that.

Do you support the abolition of slavery?

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:45 pm**

Baltenstein wrote:
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Is that an actual campaigning poster?

Because he looks both scary and hilarious at the same time.

You should have seen the parody versions.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:47 pm**

Menassa wrote:
Hevzane wrote:
It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.

Jesus also said the Law of Moses no longer applies.... so... yeah... there's that.

What about not one jot nor tittle passing from the law and so forth?

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:49 pm**

Stephania Incognita wrote:
Menassa wrote:Jesus also said the Law of Moses no longer applies.... so... yeah... there's that.

What about not one jot nor tittle passing from the law and so forth?

What about him coming to fulfill the law? ... which makes no sense.

Another way you can look at it is that the Law was never given to Christians....

Also, he told a rich man that the Law was not enough.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:52 pm**

Stephania Incognita wrote:
Hevzane wrote:It isn't my opinion remember.

I wish it were possible to express myself without being banned.

Go and shout at a wall; it works for me when NSG gets too much.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:14 pm**

Hevzane wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
I have a problem with you denying other people equal legal recognition and equal rights because of your prejudices, yes.

It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.

No, the Bible doesn't say it. See below.

Grenartia wrote:
Hevzane wrote:I'm against it. I'm not homophobic, but Britain has been Christian for over 1700 years. I know, it's all civil rights and stuff, but to be honest, a Christian like me should not be supporting gay marriage. I can't believe David Cameron calls himself a Christian

Being Christian has nothing to do with opposing LGBT rights. It has everything to do with supporting them.

Oneracon wrote:
According to? [Please select from the options below]

If you're going to say Leviticus 18:22 or any other part of the OT
The Hebrew Bible contains the law for Jews, not for Christians

If you're going to cite Romans or any other NT quote relating to homosexuality
Any mentions to homosexuality being sinful were written in Paul's letters, well after Jesus left the Earth.

If the Son of God truly believed that homosexuality was so sinful, why was it never mentioned in any of the four editions of his biography (the Gospels)? Or for that matter in any other books in the New Testament?

Not to mention that Leviticus is such an anal retentive book anyways. I mean, if somebody's going to use it to tell me I shouldn't have gay sex, then they should at least have the common fucking decency to use it to tell me I shouldn't eat bacon, wear clothes of mixed fabrics, eat shellfish, or perform the environmentally-beneficial practice of crop rotation (if I were a farmer).

Also, I'd say that even Paul wasn't saying it was a sin. Given the fact that Paul made up the word arsenokoitai, instead of using the already existing Greek word for homosexuals.

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:15 pm**

*proudest teacher moment ever*

Posted: **Sun Feb 10, 2013 10:32 pm**

Grenartia wrote:Also, I'd say that even Paul wasn't saying it was a sin. Given the fact that Paul made up the word arsenokoitai, instead of using the already existing Greek word for homosexuals.

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He wasn't making up the compound arseno-koitai "male-bedder" out of nothing: he was imitating the Septuagint translation of Leviticus. Leviticus says not to shakav "bed" a male, so the Septuagint unusually turns the Greek word for "bed" into a verb for purpose of translating this verse, and Paul is following that usage.

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