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If you were an MP in the Commons tonight, how would you vote?

Aye! Yes to same-sex marriage
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84%
No! No to same-sex marriage
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Other
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Total votes : 268

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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:50 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:Gay Marriage: Edward Leigh Fears The 'Merciless Prism Of Equality'

Conservative MP Edward Leigh attacked plans to allow gay people to marry on Tuesday fearing the "merciless prism of equality", much to the confusion of those watching the Commons debate.

The debate on the government's same-sex marriage bill has exposed deep divisions within the Conservative Party on the issue, with some of the most pro-gay marriage and anti-gay marriage speeches coming from the same side of the House.

Leigh said that while people should be treated with tolerance, MPs had to be "very careful that law and reality do not conflict".

"We have to get away from the idea that every single thing in life can be forced through the merciless prism of equality," he said.

He added: "We should be concerned with equality, but not at the expense of every other consideration, not at the expense of tradition."

Leigh also said that marriage was "profoundly pro-woman" as it was "generally men who have the propensity to want to wander off into other relationships" leaving them "holding the baby".

To which another MP responded: "Speak for yourself."

Mr. Leigh, you are a bigot and a git.


True. But the MP who responded is a hero.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:51 am

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Wisconsin9 wrote:Mr. Leigh, you are a bigot and a git.


True. But the MP who responded is a hero.

Very much so. But Mr. Leigh is still a bigoted git.
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Postby Ovisterra » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:52 am

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Ovisterra wrote:
True. But the MP who responded is a hero.

Very much so. But Mr. Leigh is still a bigoted git.


I wouldn't dispute it for a second.
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Postby Stephania Incognita » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:57 am

So long as the Church of England expects to hold real political power (referencing permanent seats in the House of Lords) then it must accept that it is part of an increasingly, though unofficially, secular state.

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Postby Great Nepal » Wed Feb 06, 2013 12:28 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:Gay Marriage: Edward Leigh Fears The 'Merciless Prism Of Equality'

Conservative MP Edward Leigh attacked plans to allow gay people to marry on Tuesday fearing the "merciless prism of equality", much to the confusion of those watching the Commons debate.

The debate on the government's same-sex marriage bill has exposed deep divisions within the Conservative Party on the issue, with some of the most pro-gay marriage and anti-gay marriage speeches coming from the same side of the House.

Leigh said that while people should be treated with tolerance, MPs had to be "very careful that law and reality do not conflict".

"We have to get away from the idea that every single thing in life can be forced through the merciless prism of equality," he said.

He added: "We should be concerned with equality, but not at the expense of every other consideration, not at the expense of tradition."

Leigh also said that marriage was "profoundly pro-woman" as it was "generally men who have the propensity to want to wander off into other relationships" leaving them "holding the baby".

To which another MP responded: "Speak for yourself."

Mr. Leigh, you are a bigot and a git.

Wisconsin, you are insulting bigots throughout the world.
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Postby Grenartia » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:37 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:"Mr cameron, the french are legalizing gay marriage."
"Mr prime minister, we must not allow a gay marriage gap!"


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Postby Baltenstein » Wed Feb 06, 2013 3:57 pm

is there any reason to be opposed to same sex marriage that has nothing to do with religion?


Historically, there's been plenty of non-religious homophobia from both the Right and the Left.
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Postby Wisconsin9 » Wed Feb 06, 2013 6:14 pm

Great Nepal wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:Mr. Leigh, you are a bigot and a git.

Wisconsin, you are insulting bigots throughout the world.

*steeples fingers* Excellent.
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Postby Oneracon » Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:38 am

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is there any reason to be opposed to same sex marriage that has nothing to do with religion?


Historically, there's been plenty of non-religious homophobia from both the Right and the Left.


Without the (alleged) words of a deity to back up the condemnation, it's mostly been "But they're icky, guys"
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Postby Linux and the X » Thu Feb 07, 2013 12:31 pm

The Church of England are protesting against the "redefinition of marriage". Because they are, obviously, highly opposed to such things.
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Postby Keron » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:01 pm

Oneracon wrote:
Baltenstein wrote:
Historically, there's been plenty of non-religious homophobia from both the Right and the Left.


Without the (alleged) words of a deity to back up the condemnation, it's mostly been "But they're icky, guys"


Or somebody with a huge stick in their arse saying that homosexuality deviates from the norm and thus must be abolished.

I'm looking at you, Hitler.
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Postby Delvoir » Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:04 pm

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Oneracon wrote:
Without the (alleged) words of a deity to back up the condemnation, it's mostly been "But they're icky, guys"


Or somebody with a huge stick in their arse saying that homosexuality deviates from the norm and thus must be abolished.

I'm looking at you, Hitler.


Hitler didn't like homosexuality because it was impractical. Just the same reason he didn't like women working, or prostitutes, drunks, the unemployed and the disabled - because they couldn't produce or be part of his Aryan super-soldier race.
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Postby Hevzane » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:07 pm

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Hevzane wrote:I'm against it. I'm not homophobic, but Britain has been Christian for over 1700 years. I know, it's all civil rights and stuff, but to be honest, a Christian like me should not be supporting gay marriage. I can't believe David Cameron calls himself a Christian :palm:

You are indeed homophobic.


A homphobe is somebody who HATES gay people, I don't hate them. I just don't agree with it. Do you have a problem with that?
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Postby Of the Free Socialist Territories » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:08 pm

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Divair wrote:You are indeed homophobic.


A homphobe is somebody who HATES gay people, I don't hate them. I just don't agree with it. Do you have a problem with that?


I have a problem with you denying other people equal legal recognition and equal rights because of your prejudices, yes.
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Postby Divair » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:08 pm

Hevzane wrote:
Divair wrote:You are indeed homophobic.


A homphobe is somebody who HATES gay people, I don't hate them. I just don't agree with it. Do you have a problem with that?

You are against same sex marriage. That's like saying you don't hate black people, you just don't want them to get married.

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Postby Grenartia » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:17 pm

Hevzane wrote:
Divair wrote:You are indeed homophobic.


A homphobe is somebody who HATES gay people, I don't hate them. I just don't agree with it. Do you have a problem with that?


I have a problem with you using Christianity to justify keeping me from having equal rights.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:24 pm

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Postby Poorisolation » Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:25 pm

Hevzane wrote:
Divair wrote:You are indeed homophobic.


A homphobe is somebody who HATES gay people, I don't hate them. I just don't agree with it. Do you have a problem with that?


No a homphobes fears homs, I hear it is a most debilitating condition.

You on the other hand do appear to act like you fear homosexuality which would indeed suggest you are a homophobe.

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Postby Blouman Empire » Sat Feb 09, 2013 6:10 pm

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Hevzane wrote:
A homphobe is somebody who HATES gay people, I don't hate them. I just don't agree with it. Do you have a problem with that?


No a homphobes fears homs, I hear it is a most debilitating condition.

You on the other hand do appear to act like you fear homosexuality which would indeed suggest you are a homophobe.

David Cameron believes in the message of Jesus Christ his Saviour, concerning whom; careful perusal of his recorded words turned out to have so little to say on the subject of homosexuality the topic did not even rate a mention.


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Postby Hevzane » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:49 am

Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
Hevzane wrote:
A homphobe is somebody who HATES gay people, I don't hate them. I just don't agree with it. Do you have a problem with that?


I have a problem with you denying other people equal legal recognition and equal rights because of your prejudices, yes.


It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.
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Postby Ostroeuropa » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:50 am

Hevzane wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
I have a problem with you denying other people equal legal recognition and equal rights because of your prejudices, yes.


It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.


Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.
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Postby Divair » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:52 am

Ostroeuropa wrote:
Hevzane wrote:
It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.


Presumably you want to ban all working on sunday/saturday too.
And eating meat on fridays.

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Postby Ovisterra » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:52 am

Hevzane wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
I have a problem with you denying other people equal legal recognition and equal rights because of your prejudices, yes.


It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.


You're entitled to hold those beliefs, no matter how stupid I think they are. You are not, however, entitled in any way to force those beliefs upon other people.
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Postby Horsefish » Sun Feb 10, 2013 6:53 am

Hevzane wrote:
Of the Free Socialist Territories wrote:
I have a problem with you denying other people equal legal recognition and equal rights because of your prejudices, yes.


It isn't my opinion remember. If it was up to me, yes I would probably give gay people the same rights as straights. But it says in the bible that homosexuality is a sin. God never wanted it to happen. As I am an Orthodox Christian, I have to follow that.


Don't marry another man/woman then.

Pretty simple solution.
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