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Postby The Serbian Empire » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:17 pm

Mediocre as in so many good things with a few terrible things that were actually Bush continuations. Obama would be marginally better than Dubya as the policies for the most part are interconnected as most of the initial Stimulus was Bush in a lame duck session. There's been far worse and far better. I'd put Obama around the 20th to 23rd best Presidents of all time.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:19 pm

Vareiln wrote:He's still got three more years. Let's wait till then.

"President Obama was the 44th President of the United States, he also served as Commander In Chief during the war between the Western Allies and the East Asian Union."
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Postby Frisivisia » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:21 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vareiln wrote:He's still got three more years. Let's wait till then.

"President Obama was the 44th President of the United States, he also served as Commander In Chief during the war between the Western Allies and the East Asian Union."

He was also the first President to be inaugurated as a Beatle.
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Postby Arumdaum » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:21 pm

Genivaria wrote:
Vareiln wrote:He's still got three more years. Let's wait till then.

"President Obama was the 44th President of the United States, he also served as Commander In Chief during the war between the Western Allies and the East Asian Union."

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Postby Sorgloss » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:22 pm

History will probably judge Obama much in the same way it would have judged Lincoln if Lincoln wasn't assassinated. Just look at JFK. It doesn't matter that JFK sent sons and fathers and husbands to fight an unconstitutional and un-winnable war, he got assassinated. I sincerely wish no one assassinates Obama so that history will be honest about him.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:22 pm

Arumdaum wrote:
Genivaria wrote:"President Obama was the 44th President of the United States, he also served as Commander In Chief during the war between the Western Allies and the East Asian Union."

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That was a joke.
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Postby Mkuki » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:25 pm

Sorgloss wrote:History will probably judge Obama much in the same way it would have judged Lincoln if Lincoln wasn't assassinated. Just look at JFK. It doesn't matter that JFK sent sons and fathers and husbands to fight an unconstitutional and un-winnable war, he got assassinated. I sincerely wish no one assassinates Obama so that history will be honest about him.

How would Lincoln have been judged? As far as I can tell he was the one man who could have actually, successfully, led the US into, through, and out of reconstruction. Johnson and none of his successors were right for the job.
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Postby Sorgloss » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:32 pm

Mkuki wrote:How would Lincoln have been judged? As far as I can tell he was the one man who could have actually, successfully, led the US into, through, and out of reconstruction. Johnson and none of his successors were right for the job.


He would have been seen for the tyrant he was. All we ever care to know is the idea we learned in grade school that he was this big hero who fought against the entire nation because he thought all people were free regardless of skin colour. Turns out, that was really only a minor aspect of him. He ruled with an iron fist with complete disregard for the Constitution. It's no wonder he is Obama's favourite President.
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Postby Genivaria » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:33 pm

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Mkuki wrote:How would Lincoln have been judged? As far as I can tell he was the one man who could have actually, successfully, led the US into, through, and out of reconstruction. Johnson and none of his successors were right for the job.


He would have been seen for the tyrant he was. All we ever care to know is the idea we learned in grade school that he was this big hero who fought against the entire nation because he thought all people were free regardless of skin colour. Turns out, that was really only a minor aspect of him. He ruled with an iron fist with complete disregard for the Constitution. It's no wonder he is Obama's favourite President.

I stopped reading after that.
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Postby Mkuki » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:36 pm

Sorgloss wrote:
Mkuki wrote:How would Lincoln have been judged? As far as I can tell he was the one man who could have actually, successfully, led the US into, through, and out of reconstruction. Johnson and none of his successors were right for the job.


He would have been seen for the tyrant he was. All we ever care to know is the idea we learned in grade school that he was this big hero who fought against the entire nation because he thought all people were free regardless of skin colour. Turns out, that was really only a minor aspect of him. He ruled with an iron fist with complete disregard for the Constitution. It's no wonder he is Obama's favourite President.

How was he a tyrant? What disregard for the Constitution?
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Postby Sorgloss » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:39 pm

Mkuki wrote:How was he a tyrant? What disregard for the Constitution?


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Postby Nightkill the Emperor » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:39 pm

Depends on what the future ends up being like.
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Postby Ruridova » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:39 pm

My guess is that he'll just get remembered as the first black president.
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Postby Death Metal » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:40 pm

Sorgloss wrote:
Mkuki wrote:How would Lincoln have been judged? As far as I can tell he was the one man who could have actually, successfully, led the US into, through, and out of reconstruction. Johnson and none of his successors were right for the job.


He would have been seen for the tyrant he was.


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Genivaria wrote:
Arumdaum wrote: :eyebrow:

That was a joke.

And a bad one at that.
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Postby Rupture Farms co » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:41 pm

Wamitoria wrote:He'll be the Reagan of the left. Remembered and hated, but respected by American Conservatives, but loved by American liberals.

Reagan is hated by liberals. And don't believe that bullcrap about how he was respected back in the day, he was hated back then too.

Obama is either going to be looked on as a Messiah or as a Antichrist.

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Postby North Stradia » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:42 pm

As a statist liar, just like all the rest of them. After the coming anarcho-capitalist revolution, all the Presidents will rightfully be viewed with disgust.
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Postby Ruridova » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:43 pm

North Stradia wrote:As a statist liar, just like all the rest of them. After the coming anarcho-capitalist revolution, all the Presidents will rightfully be viewed with disgust.

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Postby Socialist EU » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:43 pm

Mkuki wrote:
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He would have been seen for the tyrant he was. All we ever care to know is the idea we learned in grade school that he was this big hero who fought against the entire nation because he thought all people were free regardless of skin colour. Turns out, that was really only a minor aspect of him. He ruled with an iron fist with complete disregard for the Constitution. It's no wonder he is Obama's favourite President.

How was he a tyrant? What disregard for the Constitution?


I don't know, but he opposed slavery for pragmatic reasons, not on principle. He was lead by events to oppose slavery. Back to topic.
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Postby Geilinor » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:44 pm

How Obama will be seen depends on what happens between now and 2016. One thing we'll get to see is how Obamacare(Affordable Care Act is too long)turns out.
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Postby Quebec and Atlantic Canada » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:44 pm

North Stradia wrote:As a statist liar, just like all the rest of them. After the coming anarcho-capitalist revolution, all the Presidents will rightfully be viewed with disgust.

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Postby Death Metal » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:45 pm

North Stradia wrote:As a statist liar, just like all the rest of them. After the coming anarcho-capitalist revolution, all the Presidents will rightfully be viewed with disgust.


Fortunately for humanity, the fascist psuedomovement called AnCap will never amount to shit.
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North Stradia wrote:As a statist liar, just like all the rest of them. After the coming anarcho-capitalist revolution, all the Presidents will rightfully be viewed with disgust.


Will this utopian revolution happen next year, I think not.
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Postby Socialist EU » Tue Feb 05, 2013 6:46 pm

Death Metal wrote:
North Stradia wrote:As a statist liar, just like all the rest of them. After the coming anarcho-capitalist revolution, all the Presidents will rightfully be viewed with disgust.


Fortunately for humanity, the fascist psuedomovement called AnCap will never amount to shit.


Indeed.
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