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Who will be the next SuperPower?

China
68
48%
European Union
22
16%
Russia
16
11%
Japan
6
4%
India
8
6%
Brazil
10
7%
Iran
3
2%
Israel
3
2%
South Korea
1
1%
North Korea
4
3%
 
Total votes : 141

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The Next Superpower?

Postby The Rebel Alliances » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:15 pm

I wanted to make a thread on this last night but had to go to work.

I am of the opinion that the United States is well on its decline down and away from the fabled status of 'Superpower' and if not at least have to share this exclusive table with another power.

So this thread seeks to answer a rather simple but at the same time big question.

What country is most likely to achieve this all exclusive rank. In a combination of google searches and a little personal opinion thrown in I believe we have a good list of the 10, most likely canidates for this position.

Potential SuperPower List
China: Yes the Red Dragon my friends. China's economy is growing and with a population well above a billion people they are hands down a leading contender. And with a good economy comes the wealth to afford a good blade.

European Union: While not a country per se, the combined economic and military might of these European Nations shows a very promising chance at the title of a "Super Power". Now it may be argued that because this is a confederation of many independent nations this does not count. Well, I am somewhat inclined to agree to a point. But should they centralize more into who knows the "European Federation" then they would truly be an overnight superpower in my books.

Russia: Ahh, the Great Russian Bear, while a former power in the image of the once feared and respected Union of Soviet Socialist Republics it has in time lost that same degree of fear and respect and has since been trying to claw its way back to the top. And it may not be that far. Considering the vast energy wealth of this nation and a battle proven military it certainly stands a chance of reclaiming their old title of 'SuperPower'.

Japan: Yes, the economic powerhouse of East Asia. They have a smaller but very well equiped and trained Self Defense Force and a cutting edge economy and technology base. Thier people even have been shown to make great sacrifices for the good of Japan. I truly believe that the people of Japan are its greatest asset and advantage in this competition.

India: The Indian people have a lot to work with but also face many problems. They have a naturally rich land and the second largest population on the planet. They are a nuclear power but that is not a huge factor considering the amount of nuclear armed nations today. Will India pull ahead and grasp this mantle for its people?

Brazil: The most likely south american nation hands down. With a wealth of natural resources and a decent economy at its disposal Brazil has the abilitary to become a major power. Some would say it is a major regional power, but can it become a SuperPower. That is the question.

Iran: Oil rich. Militeristic. Determined. These traits could be enough to make the claim to superpower in its future. All depending how these attributes are harnessed.

Israel: Small, but extremely powerful for its size. Often faced with invading armies of superior numbers and surrounded they have never failed to defend their homes and drive out the invaders. Israel has a first rate military and a good economy. But is it big enough, to ever make the claim to superpower.

South Korea: An economic power and a well equiped military. The south korean people have much in their advantage but lack a wealth of natural resources. Can they ever overcome this and become a Superpower?

North Korea: A very poor economy is contrasted by ample mineral wealth and natural resources. And with their reserves they have the largest military in the world I believe. Can they use this to their advantage without it destroying them? Can they rise above their current situation and achieve a 'Superpower'?

These are the contenders but which of them will rise from the rest and become a SuperPower?


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Postby Howdoyoudoland » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:19 pm

The Rebel Alliances wrote:...I am of the opinion that the United States is well on its decline down and away from the fabled status of 'Superpower'...


You're of a poor opinion, then.
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Postby Saruhan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:21 pm

Call me when any of those nations either:
1: Exist (looking at you EU)
2: Have a blue water navy
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Postby Kleomentia » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:21 pm

Kosovo ;)
Anyjew, i recon it wont be Russia. Seems to be falling into a pit if you ask me. I guess it will be China.
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Postby Saruhan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:23 pm

Kleomentia wrote:Kosovo ;)
Anyjew, i recon it wont be Russia. Seems to be falling into a pit if you ask me. I guess it will be China.

Yeah, but Mandarin is hard as fuck to learn, and Superpowers are much less military based than you would think
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Postby Kleomentia » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:27 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Kleomentia wrote:Kosovo ;)
Anyjew, i recon it wont be Russia. Seems to be falling into a pit if you ask me. I guess it will be China.

Yeah, but Mandarin is hard as fuck to learn, and Superpowers are much less military based than you would think

Meh, they might make a language change and make it easier. Adopt english, or just say "fuck you, your gonna learn chinese and thats final!"
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Postby Slembana » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:27 pm

Indonesia.

A European country.
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Postby Saruhan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:28 pm

Kleomentia wrote:
Saruhan wrote:Yeah, but Mandarin is hard as fuck to learn, and Superpowers are much less military based than you would think

Meh, they might make a language change and make it easier. Adopt english, or just say "fuck you, your gonna learn chinese and thats final!"

True, but again soft power is a major factor. I mean I can't remember the last time I read a book that was originally written in a Chinese language, or heard a song that wasn't a translation of another
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Postby Kleomentia » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:29 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Kleomentia wrote:Meh, they might make a language change and make it easier. Adopt english, or just say "fuck you, your gonna learn chinese and thats final!"

True, but again soft power is a major factor. I mean I can't remember the last time I read a book that was originally written in a Chinese language, or heard a song that wasn't a translation of another

Gangnam style :p Not chinese though.
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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:29 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
The Rebel Alliances wrote:...I am of the opinion that the United States is well on its decline down and away from the fabled status of 'Superpower'...


You're of a poor opinion, then.


Maybe I am, but a economy in decline, rising domestic issues, increasing corruption, Military stretched all over the globe in increasinly unpopular wars, military cutbacks, rising deficits.

All seems to point to a decrease in its power and influence.

And not to say by decline from superpower I mean next month. The US can keep itself floating for decades perhaps but I see very little growth or expansion of power in the future.
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Kleomentia wrote:
Saruhan wrote:True, but again soft power is a major factor. I mean I can't remember the last time I read a book that was originally written in a Chinese language, or heard a song that wasn't a translation of another

Gangnam style :p Not chinese though.

God bless Korea and it's weird language isolate :p
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Postby Conserative Morality » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:30 pm

Brazil will almost certainly be one of them. India will likely be another.

Still, I imagine the USA has quite some time left as the world's hyperpower, particularly considering we're pretty buddy-buddy with Europe.
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Postby Kleomentia » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:30 pm

Slembana wrote:Indonesia.

A European country.

Europe is a shit hole of arguements and, well, shit. Issues flying everywhere and such. And the European Union is a particularly fun thing to see. I like to think that they are trying, it makes it even funnier.
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Postby Kleomentia » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:31 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Kleomentia wrote:Gangnam style :p Not chinese though.

God bless Korea and it's weird language isolate :p

And god bless the absolute difference between South Korea and North Korea.
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Postby Saruhan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:31 pm

The Rebel Alliances wrote:
Howdoyoudoland wrote:
You're of a poor opinion, then.


Maybe I am, but a economy in decline, rising domestic issues, increasing corruption, Military stretched all over the globe in increasinly unpopular wars, military cutbacks, rising deficits.

All seems to point to a decrease in its power and influence.

And not to say by decline from superpower I mean next month. The US can keep itself floating for decades perhaps but I see very little growth or expansion of power in the future.

When you say military cutbacks, you seem to still be forgetting that even with that the US still spends more than the next 24 nations combined, of which 22 out of 24 are US allies
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Postby Saruhan » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:31 pm

Kleomentia wrote:
Saruhan wrote:God bless Korea and it's weird language isolate :p

And god bless the absolute difference between South Korea and North Korea.

True that!
Caninope wrote:The idea of Pakistan, India and Bangladesh reuniting is about as logical as the idea that Barack Obama will kill his wife, marry Ahmadinejad in a ceremony officiated by Mitt Romney during the 7th Inning Stretch of the Yankees-Red Sox game, and then the happy couple will then go challenge President Xi for the position of General Secretary of the CCP in a gladiatorial fight to the death involving roaches, slingshots, and hard candies.

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Postby Kleomentia » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:32 pm

Howdoyoudoland wrote:
The Rebel Alliances wrote:...I am of the opinion that the United States is well on its decline down and away from the fabled status of 'Superpower'...


You're of a poor opinion, then.

Not really. As easily as becoming the superpower, the US can crash out.
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Postby Yandere Schoolgirls » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:33 pm

I don't see how this isn't 100% China 0 % rest
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Postby Kleomentia » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:34 pm

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:I don't see how this isn't 100% China 0 % rest

:eyebrow:
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Postby The Rebel Alliances » Mon Feb 04, 2013 1:35 pm

Conserative Morality wrote:Brazil will almost certainly be one of them. India will likely be another.

Still, I imagine the USA has quite some time left as the world's hyperpower, particularly considering we're pretty buddy-buddy with Europe.


I agree, but I still see a slow decline from that position.

And I expect DC, will do all they can to reverse but I dont believe they can.

Also, I think that Brazil and India will become major Regional Powers but out of this list I chose Russia.
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