Taxes are theft

[Sibirsky]

You guys realize I was at like, 35000 posts in September of 2011, right?

[Condunum]

A couple years ago, he was a much better debater. He doesn't really try not because, IIRC, he's just getting sick of the site.

That sums it up quite well.

While I don't agree with your views, I respect and like you enough to notice what you say

[Wisconsin9]

That's your problem, not mine. Take that determination and enterprise you ancaps are so fond of and figure out a way to make it work. If you can't, then too fucking bad, enjoy April 15.

I'm not an ancap, but whatever.

I pay my taxes.

Point is, if you don't want to, then work out a way to avoid it and still not get robbed and stabbed on your own.

[Conserative Morality]

And go where? Another country? With their own taxes? Brilliant idea.

Also, why should I be forced to leave?

Because you aren't adhering to our rules.

Or, in Capitalist Speak, you are violating the contract that you implicitly are participating in by paying the required fees and signing the requisite paperwork to work in this country, and thus, according to the terms laid out in the contract, you are obligated to either continue following the terms set out, receive the penalty for not doing so, or leave.

Like companies, countries are not obligated to submit to the whims of any individual or set of individuals, it's all about the masses.

[Frisivisia]

Burden of Proof is on you to prove yourself right, not me wrong. How the fuck did you get that debating Silver Medal?

A couple years ago, he was a much better debater. He doesn't really try not because, IIRC, he's just getting sick of the site.

Not sick enough to leave, eh?

[Falcania]

Oh good, Sibirsky's here, that'll be good for the quality of debate in this thread.

[Conscentia]

And go where? Another country? With their own taxes? Brilliant idea.

I hear Monaco has some pretty low taxes.
Alternatively, go live off the land. People with no income don't pay tax.

why should I be forced to leave?

You aren't forced to leave. If you don't like it in a place, you may leave by choice or you put up with the problems.

[The Black Forrest]

Indeed. We called it feudalism.

You didn't know that the Arachno-Capitalists were Secret Feudalists?

Clarification: Sib isn't an an-cap. He actually works, pays taxes and complains about them like the rest of us.

[Scomagia]

Leave the country if you don't want to pay.

And go where? Another country? With their own taxes? Brilliant idea.

Also, why should I be forced to leave?

Feel free to set up your own personal paradise in the wild/on an oil rig/ on a mountain/ in Somalia.
You shouldn't be forced to leave, and no one is trying to force you.

[Neo Art]

Burden of Proof is on you to prove yourself right, not me wrong. How the fuck did you get that debating Silver Medal?

A couple years ago, he was a much better debater. He doesn't really try not because, IIRC, he's just getting sick of the site.

gold medal please!

[Sibirsky]

And go where? Another country? With their own taxes? Brilliant idea.

Also, why should I be forced to leave?

You aren't being forced. If you don't like paying taxes, move to one of the many high-functioning societies without them.

Oh, wait. I don't even think Somalia's like that anymore. Did you know that they have democratically elected politicians now? That's right - a government. Because governments work.

I suppose you could just wait for the galt-island thing in New York to be completed.

Governments work. That's cute. Will you be saying that when they cause the entire financial system to collapse?

[Yaltabaoth]

You guys realize I was at like, 35000 posts in September of 2011, right?

Your post count is relevant because... ?

[Condunum]

A couple years ago, he was a much better debater. He doesn't really try not because, IIRC, he's just getting sick of the site.

Not sick enough to leave, eh?

He did take a break, although I suspect he just lurked at that time, because I don't remember him CTEing.

[Neo Art]

You aren't being forced. If you don't like paying taxes, move to one of the many high-functioning societies without them.

Oh, wait. I don't even think Somalia's like that anymore. Did you know that they have democratically elected politicians now? That's right - a government. Because governments work.

I suppose you could just wait for the galt-island thing in New York to be completed.

Governments work. That's cute. Will you be saying that when they cause the entire financial system to collapse?

And when government collapse, and you run away from home, we'll all be sorry, we'll see?

[The Peoples Republic of Minnesota]

Wages are slavery

Then save some money and buy yourself some assets. What's stopping you? Taxes?

Underemployment, actually.

[Frisivisia]

Oh good, Sibirsky's here, that'll be good for the quality of debate in this thread.

Sarcasm or admiration?

America, you decide!

[Sibirsky]

That sums it up quite well.

While I don't agree with your views, I respect and like you enough to notice what you say

Cool. Thanks. I don't mind disagreeing with someone.

[Condunum]

A couple years ago, he was a much better debater. He doesn't really try not because, IIRC, he's just getting sick of the site.

gold medal please!

You, friend, deserve it.

[Tlaceceyaya]

You aren't being forced. If you don't like paying taxes, move to one of the many high-functioning societies without them.

Oh, wait. I don't even think Somalia's like that anymore. Did you know that they have democratically elected politicians now? That's right - a government. Because governments work.

I suppose you could just wait for the galt-island thing in New York to be completed.

Governments work. That's cute. Will you be saying that when they cause the entire financial system to collapse?

They seem to have been doing rather well for the last few hunthousand years. I'd like to see you explain how they are going to cause the entire financial system to collapse.

[Sibirsky]

I'm not an ancap, but whatever.

I pay my taxes.

Point is, if you don't want to, then work out a way to avoid it and still not get robbed and stabbed on your own.

I am.

[Frisivisia]

You aren't being forced. If you don't like paying taxes, move to one of the many high-functioning societies without them.

Oh, wait. I don't even think Somalia's like that anymore. Did you know that they have democratically elected politicians now? That's right - a government. Because governments work.

I suppose you could just wait for the galt-island thing in New York to be completed.

Governments work. That's cute. Will you be saying that when they cause the entire financial system to collapse?

Well, last time that the market collapsed, it was because the government wasn't involved enough.

[Conscentia]

You aren't being forced. If you don't like paying taxes, move to one of the many high-functioning societies without them.

Oh, wait. I don't even think Somalia's like that anymore. Did you know that they have democratically elected politicians now? That's right - a government. Because governments work.

I suppose you could just wait for the galt-island thing in New York to be completed.

Governments work. That's cute. Will you be saying that when they cause the entire financial system to collapse?

If governments did that, one'd expect it to have already collapsed by now...

[Condunum]

While I don't agree with your views, I respect and like you enough to notice what you say

Cool. Thanks. I don't mind disagreeing with someone.

Not do I, as long as it remains civil.

[The Black Forrest]

A couple years ago, he was a much better debater. He doesn't really try not because, IIRC, he's just getting sick of the site.

Not sick enough to leave, eh?

Well? Neurosis is a common ailment of the generalite.

[Sibirsky]

And go where? Another country? With their own taxes? Brilliant idea.

Also, why should I be forced to leave?

Because you aren't adhering to our rules.

Or, in Capitalist Speak, you are violating the contract that you implicitly are participating in by paying the required fees and signing the requisite paperwork to work in this country, and thus, according to the terms laid out in the contract, you are obligated to either continue following the terms set out, receive the penalty for not doing so, or leave.

Like companies, countries are not obligated to submit to the whims of any individual or set of individuals, it's all about the masses.

I never signed any contract.

And why do the terms of the contract change so often, so much, and yet again without my agreement? Or... anyone's agreement pretty much.