Taxes are theft

[Sibirsky]

It's like 20% in reality.

He says without a source.

Find that shit yourself if you really want it.

[Frisivisia]

He says without a source.

Find that shit yourself if you really want it.

So you're wrong? Cool.

[Conscentia]

So you're using stuff that you didn't pay for. Isn't THAT theft?

No, because it's given to me of their own free will through non-coercive means.

The public are only providing to you those services because they believe that you contribute.
Tax evasion combined with continued use of public services/property is fraud.

[Sibirsky]

Those things can be privately funded. In any case, that is what we are doing. Oh and our, "bitching" is actually called "freedom of speech."

Then pay for those things yourselves, quit using government services, and stop talking to us blinded, hopeless sheeple.

Whoa ok. You say that shit, like we have a fucking choice.

[Wisconsin9]

He says without a source.

Find that shit yourself if you really want it.

Thank you for destroying your credibility yourself. I have an appointment with my optometrist in a little bit and was worried I wouldn't have the time.

[Oppressorion]

He says without a source.

Find that shit yourself if you really want it.

If you do not source it, it'll be thrown out almost immediately.

[Ifreann]

No, because it's given to me of their own free will through non-coercive means.

It is not 'given to you' - they are providing a service in exchange for you paying taxes, which you have allowed them to believe without bothering to correct them. This is because most people pay taxes -read: honest- so everyone assumes that you have unless told otherwise. This is known as presumption of innocence, and generally thought of as a good thing.

Tell me, which government services require you to demonstrate that you've paid taxes before you can avail of them? Do the emergency services run a check before they'll respond?

[Liriena]

Wages are slavery

On this, I must agree.

The concept of spending thousands of hours of your life working for an amount of money (which many times is inferior to what we actually deserve) so that we may afford goods and services that we are already entitled to (like food, water, education, housing and health care) for the mere fact of being human seems like a waste to me.

[Scomagia]

No, because it's given to me of their own free will through non-coercive means.

The public are only providing to you those services because they believe that you contribute
Tax evasion combined with continued use of public services/property is dishonesty & theft.

That would be closer to fraud than theft though wouldn't it?

[The Black Forrest]

Assuming his claims of being employed are true. Some of his comments in the past; suggest otherwise......

Fine. I'll give you the unemployed student with money coming from rich parents.

He pays sales taxes.

Most likely a teenager whose parents pay taxes. The parents have the right to bitch about taxes and their use.

[Yaltabaoth]

If I were little boy playing with a ball one the playground, and someone took said ball against my will or conned me out of it, then such an act would be considered theft.

theft (thft)
n.
1. The act or an instance of stealing; larceny.

Now, if a person was say, jealous of me and my blue ball he could form a council or gang of children and then have me conform to certain playground code of etiquette. I might enjoy living under such a council for awhile without fear of bullying, but there might be a day when that group comes and take my ball away. If this is against my will or they do not have my permission to do so, all the while not providing the service we agreed upon, then it is still theft.

TAXES ARE THEFT PERPETUATED BY A LARGE ORGANIZED GROUP

In retrospect some may argue that well "THE US HAS THE POWER TO TAX". Yes, this is true, but it has limitations.

Among these are:
Direct taxes must be apportioned amongst states.
Article I, Section 2, Clause 3

Indirect taxes must be uniform.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

The obamacare tax(ruled a penalty) and income taxes overstep this crucial boundary in the law as they're both direct taxes that are not apportioned.

Basically, taxes are theft; a fact that has become increasingly apparent with the expansion of the welfare state in which taxes are used to unilaterally benefit one party at the expense of another.

Wages are slavery

Eschew obfuscation!

[Ovisterra]

Then pay for those things yourselves, quit using government services, and stop talking to us blinded, hopeless sheeple.

Whoa ok. You say that shit, like we have a fucking choice.

Leave the country if you don't want to pay.

[Wisconsin9]

Then pay for those things yourselves, quit using government services, and stop talking to us blinded, hopeless sheeple.

Whoa ok. You say that shit, like we have a fucking choice.

That's your problem, not mine. Take that determination and enterprise you ancaps are so fond of and figure out a way to make it work. If you can't, then too fucking bad, enjoy April 15.

[Neo Art]

There is nothing strange about it, they're GIVING me the services free-of-charge. Plenty of people don't pay into this system and they're getting free ride off of the Government's doe. So if you're going to complain me and tell me to get out, then complain about them too.

Form W4. Everyone's paying taxes, whether you like it or not. Filing taxes is mainly so that you declare how much you paid and who owns who, and usually ends up with a nice tax refund.

Oh, did I perceptually destroy your dreams of being Galt? I'm not sorry.

plagarist.

[Conscentia]

The public are only providing to you those services because they believe that you contribute
Tax evasion combined with continued use of public services/property is dishonesty & theft.

That would be closer to fraud than theft though wouldn't it?

That's the word I was looking for, *post conveniently edited*.

[Nua Corda]

Fine. I'll give you the unemployed student with money coming from rich parents.

He pays sales taxes.

Most likely a teenager whose parents pay taxes. The parents have the right to bitch about taxes and their use.

Unless he's stealing from stores as well as the Government, he probably pays sales taxes occasionally.

[Frisivisia]

Then pay for those things yourselves, quit using government services, and stop talking to us blinded, hopeless sheeple.

Whoa ok. You say that shit, like we have a fucking choice.

There are perfectly good forests in the Rockies. You can be Mountain Man John Galt.

[Scomagia]

Then pay for those things yourselves, quit using government services, and stop talking to us blinded, hopeless sheeple.

Whoa ok. You say that shit, like we have a fucking choice.

You can always leave. Somalia seems like it would be paradise for someone of your mindset.

[Sibirsky]

Those things can be privately funded. In any case, that is what we are doing. Oh and our, "bitching" is actually called "freedom of speech."

No, they can't. Poor people can't afford bodyguards or mercenary armies. This would provide a monopoly on force for the rich, which ends up being neo-feudalism. Oh, and your bitching is called freedom of speech, but it's still bitching.

There would be fewer poor. Defense would probably be funded by insurers. Premiums would generally be lower in general, for things we have insurance already for. The very poor wouldn't have much to insure. Life insurance is already fairly cheap. And there are charities and other programs to help them.

[Sibirsky]

Fine. I'll give you the unemployed student with money coming from rich parents.

He pays sales taxes.

And there's various excises and duties the cost of which are passed off to the end customer.

Of course. And presumably he has a cell phone. On mine, there are 5 different fees or taxes.

[Ifreann]

No, they can't. Poor people can't afford bodyguards or mercenary armies. This would provide a monopoly on force for the rich, which ends up being neo-feudalism. Oh, and your bitching is called freedom of speech, but it's still bitching.

There would be fewer poor. Defense would probably be funded by insurers. Premiums would generally be lower in general, for things we have insurance already for. The very poor wouldn't have much to insure. Life insurance is already fairly cheap. And there are charities and other programs to help them.

Now now, this isn't about how we could hypothetically do without taxes. This is about how they're theft.

[Allie Youngblood]

Form W4. Everyone's paying taxes, whether you like it or not. Filing taxes is mainly so that you declare how much you paid and who owns who, and usually ends up with a nice tax refund.

Oh, did I perceptually destroy your dreams of being Galt? I'm not sorry.

plagarist.

With credit to Neo Art. Better?

[Neo Art]

There would be fewer poor. Defense would probably be funded by insurers. Premiums would generally be lower in general, for things we have insurance already for. The very poor wouldn't have much to insure. Life insurance is already fairly cheap. And there are charities and other programs to help them.

Now now, this isn't about how we could hypothetically do without taxes. This is about how they're theft.

taxes are theft! wages are slavery! skittles are rape!

[Sibirsky]

If I were little boy playing with a ball one the playground, and someone took said ball against my will or conned me out of it, then such an act would be considered theft.

theft (thft)
n.
1. The act or an instance of stealing; larceny.

Now, if a person was say, jealous of me and my blue ball he could form a council or gang of children and then have me conform to certain playground code of etiquette. I might enjoy living under such a council for awhile without fear of bullying, but there might be a day when that group comes and take my ball away. If this is against my will or they do not have my permission to do so, all the while not providing the service we agreed upon, then it is still theft.

TAXES ARE THEFT PERPETUATED BY A LARGE ORGANIZED GROUP

In retrospect some may argue that well "THE US HAS THE POWER TO TAX". Yes, this is true, but it has limitations.

Among these are:
Direct taxes must be apportioned amongst states.
Article I, Section 2, Clause 3

Indirect taxes must be uniform.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

The obamacare tax(ruled a penalty) and income taxes overstep this crucial boundary in the law as they're both direct taxes that are not apportioned.

Basically, taxes are theft; a fact that has become increasingly apparent with the expansion of the welfare state in which taxes are used to unilaterally benefit one party at the expense of another.

Wages are slavery

Then save some money and buy yourself some assets. What's stopping you? Taxes?

[Conscentia]

No, they can't. Poor people can't afford bodyguards or mercenary armies. This would provide a monopoly on force for the rich, which ends up being neo-feudalism. Oh, and your bitching is called freedom of speech, but it's still bitching.

There would be fewer poor. Defense would probably be funded by insurers. Premiums would generally be lower in general, for things we have insurance already for. The very poor wouldn't have much to insure. Life insurance is already fairly cheap. And there are charities and other programs to help them.

Things are better as they are.