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Postby Yandere Schoolgirls » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:18 am

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Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:I'm refusing to pay taxes, but I will still continue to use the services given to me in order to make a point.

So you're using stuff that you didn't pay for. Isn't THAT theft?

No, because it's given to me of their own free will through non-coercive means.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:19 am

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Sibirsky wrote:Of course he pays taxes. Everyone pays at least some taxes.


Assuming his claims of being employed are true. Some of his comments in the past; suggest otherwise......

He owns factories apparently.
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Postby Allie Youngblood » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:19 am

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Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:I'm refusing to pay taxes, but I will still continue to use the services given to me in order to make a point.

So you're using stuff that you didn't pay for. Isn't THAT theft?

Noo, of course not, he's John Galt, Galt NEVER steals things!
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:19 am

Wisconsin9 wrote:This shit again? Look, if you don't like it, then vote for someone who'll lower taxes. If they don't win or if they stab you in the back, leave the country. Now please quit bitching and let the rest of us enjoy our protection from violent criminals and foreign invasions.

Those things can be privately funded. In any case, that is what we are doing. Oh and our, "bitching" is actually called "freedom of speech."
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Postby Yandere Schoolgirls » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:19 am

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Assuming his claims of being employed are true. Some of his comments in the past; suggest otherwise......

He owns factories apparently.

So the rumors say.

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Postby Souseiseki » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:19 am

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:oh that;s a good point

hey yandere are you currently avoiding paying income tax

I'm not going to answer that.

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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:19 am

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Oppressorion wrote:So you're using stuff that you didn't pay for. Isn't THAT theft?

No, because it's given to me of their own free will through non-coercive means.

Now you are making the government sound better.
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You really should source that.

It's like 20% in reality.
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Postby United Islands of the Pacific » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:20 am

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Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:I'm refusing to pay taxes, but I will still continue to use the services given to me in order to make a point.

So you're using stuff that you didn't pay for. Isn't THAT theft?


And, won't refusing to pay taxes get you in trouble? That's like not paying your bills, they shut off your electricity if you don't pay. It is like theft if you don't pay taxes, but use tax-funded services. Tax-funded services should be given to those who pay taxes, not those who don't.
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Postby Chinese Regions » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:20 am

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Souseiseki wrote:oh that;s a good point

hey yandere are you currently avoiding paying income tax

I'm not going to answer that.

Like a true criminal.
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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:20 am

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Constaniana wrote:You really should source that.

It's like 20% in reality.

He says without a source.
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Postby Duvniask » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:21 am

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Wisconsin9 wrote:This shit again? Look, if you don't like it, then vote for someone who'll lower taxes. If they don't win or if they stab you in the back, leave the country. Now please quit bitching and let the rest of us enjoy our protection from violent criminals and foreign invasions.

Those things can be privately funded. In any case, that is what we are doing. Oh and our, "bitching" is actually called "freedom of speech."


So? I have the freedom of speech to insult you, doesn't mean it's right and/or rational to do so.

It's still bitching.
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Postby Sibirsky » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:21 am

The Black Forrest wrote:
Sibirsky wrote:Of course he pays taxes. Everyone pays at least some taxes.


Assuming his claims of being employed are true. Some of his comments in the past; suggest otherwise......

Fine. I'll give you the unemployed student with money coming from rich parents.

He pays sales taxes.
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Postby Ifreann » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:21 am

Chinese Regions wrote:
Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:I'm not going to answer that.

Like a true criminal.

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Postby Wisconsin9 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:22 am

Sibirsky wrote:
Wisconsin9 wrote:This shit again? Look, if you don't like it, then vote for someone who'll lower taxes. If they don't win or if they stab you in the back, leave the country. Now please quit bitching and let the rest of us enjoy our protection from violent criminals and foreign invasions.

Those things can be privately funded. In any case, that is what we are doing. Oh and our, "bitching" is actually called "freedom of speech."

Then pay for those things yourselves, quit using government services, and stop talking to us blinded, hopeless sheeple.
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Postby Yaltabaoth » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:22 am

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:
Oppressorion wrote:So you're using stuff that you didn't pay for. Isn't THAT theft?

No, because it's given to me of their own free will through non-coercive means.


Taxes taken from other people are non-coercive.

Taxes taken from YS are coercive.

You heard it here first.

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Postby Frisivisia » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:23 am

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Wisconsin9 wrote:This shit again? Look, if you don't like it, then vote for someone who'll lower taxes. If they don't win or if they stab you in the back, leave the country. Now please quit bitching and let the rest of us enjoy our protection from violent criminals and foreign invasions.

Those things can be privately funded. In any case, that is what we are doing. Oh and our, "bitching" is actually called "freedom of speech."

No, they can't. Poor people can't afford bodyguards or mercenary armies. This would provide a monopoly on force for the rich, which ends up being neo-feudalism. Oh, and your bitching is called freedom of speech, but it's still bitching.
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Postby The Black Forrest » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:23 am

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:
Souseiseki wrote:oh that;s a good point

hey yandere are you currently avoiding paying income tax

I'm not going to answer that.


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Postby Oppressorion » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:23 am

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:
Oppressorion wrote:So you're using stuff that you didn't pay for. Isn't THAT theft?

No, because it's given to me of their own free will through non-coercive means.

It is not 'given to you' - they are providing a service in exchange for you paying taxes, which you have allowed them to believe without bothering to correct them. This is because most people pay taxes -read: honest- so everyone assumes that you have unless told otherwise. This is known as presumption of innocence, and generally thought of as a good thing.
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Postby Condunum » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:24 am

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Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:No, because it's given to me of their own free will through non-coercive means.


Taxes taken from other people are non-coercive.

Taxes taken from YS are coercive.

You heard it here first.

So which one is the second-class citizen?
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Postby Allie Youngblood » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:24 am

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Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:No, because it's given to me of their own free will through non-coercive means.

Taxes taken from other people are non-coercive.

Taxes taken from YS are coercive.

You heard it here first.

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Postby Ifreann » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:24 am

Sibirsky wrote:
The Black Forrest wrote:
Assuming his claims of being employed are true. Some of his comments in the past; suggest otherwise......

Fine. I'll give you the unemployed student with money coming from rich parents.

He pays sales taxes.

And there's various excises and duties the cost of which are passed off to the end customer.

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Postby Liriena » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:24 am

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Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:I'm not going to answer that.


:D Of course the feds are monitoring NSG to see if the claims of teenagers are true.


Meh, I don't think the feds will keep tabs on us...unless we start doing the stuff that 4chan did.

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Postby Yaltabaoth » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:24 am

Condunum wrote:
Yaltabaoth wrote:
Taxes taken from other people are non-coercive.

Taxes taken from YS are coercive.

You heard it here first.

So which one is the second-class citizen?


YS is the oppressed party, no matter the circumstances.

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Postby The Peoples Republic of Minnesota » Sat Feb 02, 2013 11:27 am

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:If I were little boy playing with a ball one the playground, and someone took said ball against my will or conned me out of it, then such an act would be considered theft.

theft (thft)
n.
1. The act or an instance of stealing; larceny.

Now, if a person was say, jealous of me and my blue ball he could form a council or gang of children and then have me conform to certain playground code of etiquette. I might enjoy living under such a council for awhile without fear of bullying, but there might be a day when that group comes and take my ball away. If this is against my will or they do not have my permission to do so, all the while not providing the service we agreed upon, then it is still theft.

TAXES ARE THEFT PERPETUATED BY A LARGE ORGANIZED GROUP

In retrospect some may argue that well "THE US HAS THE POWER TO TAX". Yes, this is true, but it has limitations.

Among these are:
Direct taxes must be apportioned amongst states.
Article I, Section 2, Clause 3

Indirect taxes must be uniform.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

The obamacare tax(ruled a penalty) and income taxes overstep this crucial boundary in the law as they're both direct taxes that are not apportioned.

Basically, taxes are theft; a fact that has become increasingly apparent with the expansion of the welfare state in which taxes are used to unilaterally benefit one party at the expense of another.



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