Taxes are theft

[Yorkopolis]

So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)

You mean like voting where your money goes?

Or do you mean the stupid Libertarian bullshit of your taxes is your money so therefore you get to institute a dictatorship that controls where the taxes go?

He means the second one of course, he's a lolbertarian after all.

[Republica Newland]

Nice spelling.

Thank you. So are we to assume you have nothing worthwhile to contribute?

<snippittty>

Oh,but I do.

[Mavorpen]

Nice spelling. Funny for you to say that when you can't even properly say it.

Wait, why is spelling relevant?

It's as relevant as communism. He doesn't seem able to argue his points so he attempts do distract us with name calling and criticizing minor spelling mistakes.

[Mavorpen]

Thank you. So are we to assume you have nothing worthwhile to contribute?

<snippittty>

Oh,but I do.

You seem to have ignored the word "worthwhile". It's okay we all make mistakes.

[Norstal]

So you want to abolish property? Or just make it so squatters have more rights than owners?

Communist.

How the heck is being able to choose between the private and the public sector communist?

There's a difference between choosing and completely dismantling the public sector when people want it.

You are advocating a Communist revolution when you want the latter: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=224641

[Franzoesische Republik]

The tenant/landlord scenario is equitable to the taxpayer/government one.

So you do admit it's an outdated system reminiscent to Feudalism?

The land that your house is built on is owned by the government. You pay to use the government's land. If you didn't pay, you would be stealing land from the government. It isn't Feudalism, this is just how property/ownership works.

[Norstal]

How the heck is being able to choose between the private and the public sector communist?

You just said that the idea of tenants and landlords is feudal. Which, in context, implies that you dislike it.

So, you hate property, and thus are a communist.

Man, people are so predictable. I posted this just a few days ago too: viewtopic.php?f=20&t=224641

Shame there were no Libertarians to read it. It probably burned their eyes too.

[Kengburg]

If I were little boy playing with a ball one the playground, and someone took said ball against my will or conned me out of it, then such an act would be considered theft.

theft (thft)
n.
1. The act or an instance of stealing; larceny.

Now, if a person was say, jealous of me and my blue ball he could form a council or gang of children and then have me conform to certain playground code of etiquette. I might enjoy living under such a council for awhile without fear of bullying, but there might be a day when that group comes and take my ball away. If this is against my will or they do not have my permission to do so, all the while not providing the service we agreed upon, then it is still theft.

TAXES ARE THEFT PERPETUATED BY A LARGE ORGANIZED GROUP

In retrospect some may argue that well "THE US HAS THE POWER TO TAX". Yes, this is true, but it has limitations.

Among these are:
Direct taxes must be apportioned amongst states.
Article I, Section 2, Clause 3

Indirect taxes must be uniform.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

The obamacare tax(ruled a penalty) and income taxes overstep this crucial boundary in the law as they're both direct taxes that are not apportioned.

Basically, taxes are theft; a fact that has become increasingly apparent with the expansion of the welfare state in which taxes are used to unilaterally benefit one party at the expense of another.

Theft: Taking one's money for another's gain
Taxation: Taking one's money for valuable services that are given to the person you took it from (Public Education, Federal Hospitals, Police Department, Fire Department, Military) In sense, if we removed taxation, the US would turn into an anarchy. So just because you get mad at the Obamacare tax does not mean all taxes are theft. Also your example was very poor, it's more like:
Everyone in the class has $10, there is an idea for a pizza party, but to buy everything everyone has to give $2, everyone gives two dollars, then the class has the pizza party. If someone were to say "NO! I AM NOT GIVIN MY $2", then it wouldn't be fair for them to be attending the party, and they probably would have to go to another class, but you can't just send someone elsewhere in real life taxation, so if you do not pay your taxes, you shouldn't be entitled to the Public School, Police, etc. that everyone else pays for. So that's why we have the IRS.

[Sibirsky]

If I were little boy playing with a ball one the playground, and someone took said ball against my will or conned me out of it, then such an act would be considered theft.

theft (thft)
n.
1. The act or an instance of stealing; larceny.

Now, if a person was say, jealous of me and my blue ball he could form a council or gang of children and then have me conform to certain playground code of etiquette. I might enjoy living under such a council for awhile without fear of bullying, but there might be a day when that group comes and take my ball away. If this is against my will or they do not have my permission to do so, all the while not providing the service we agreed upon, then it is still theft.

TAXES ARE THEFT PERPETUATED BY A LARGE ORGANIZED GROUP

In retrospect some may argue that well "THE US HAS THE POWER TO TAX". Yes, this is true, but it has limitations.

Among these are:
Direct taxes must be apportioned amongst states.
Article I, Section 2, Clause 3

Indirect taxes must be uniform.
Article I, Section 8, Clause 1

The obamacare tax(ruled a penalty) and income taxes overstep this crucial boundary in the law as they're both direct taxes that are not apportioned.

Basically, taxes are theft; a fact that has become increasingly apparent with the expansion of the welfare state in which taxes are used to unilaterally benefit one party at the expense of another.

Theft: Taking one's money for another's gain
Taxation: Taking one's money for valuable services that are given to the person you took it from (Public Education, Federal Hospitals, Police Department, Fire Department, Military) In sense, if we removed taxation, the US would turn into an anarchy. So just because you get mad at the Obamacare tax does not mean all taxes are theft.

My nephew is dying of cancer. I rob you, you pay for his treatment.

Not theft. It went to a valuable service (healthcare) and saved his life.

[Republica Newland]

Oh,but I do.

You seem to have ignored the word "worthwhile". It's okay we all make mistakes.

I know,it's too complex to wrap your head around it so you just toss it.It's understandable.

[Mavorpen]

Theft: Taking one's money for another's gain
Taxation: Taking one's money for valuable services that are given to the person you took it from (Public Education, Federal Hospitals, Police Department, Fire Department, Military) In sense, if we removed taxation, the US would turn into an anarchy. So just because you get mad at the Obamacare tax does not mean all taxes are theft.

My nephew is dying of cancer. I rob you, you pay for his treatment.

Not theft. It went to a valuable service (healthcare) and saved his life.

Maybe you should give up on analogies. I mean you clearly stated that you robbed him. That pretty much destroys any point you were attempting to make.

[Republica Newland]

So you do admit it's an outdated system reminiscent to Feudalism?

The land that your house is built on is owned by the government. You pay to use the government's land. If you didn't pay, you would be stealing land from the government. It isn't Feudalism, this is just how property/ownership works.

So what you're basically implying is that everything and anything is the property of the Government before you buy it,right?

[Neo Art]

My

You are not the democratically elected and legally empowered legitimate government of a sovereign nation. The rest of what you had to say was irrelevant due to this fact.

An analogy only works when like is compared with like. This is clearly not the case here.

[Mavorpen]

You seem to have ignored the word "worthwhile". It's okay we all make mistakes.

I know,it's too complex to wrap your head around it so you just toss it.It's understandable.

No, I just know what the word worthwhile means. A post that has been torn to shreds, heavily refuted, and then shat on by the fact your logic itself has been destroyed doesn't fall under any definition of worthwhile.

[Ceannairceach]

The land that your house is built on is owned by the government. You pay to use the government's land. If you didn't pay, you would be stealing land from the government. It isn't Feudalism, this is just how property/ownership works.

So what you're basically implying is that everything and anything is the property of the Government before you buy it,right?

No, not really. Land is the main one.

[Neo Art]

The land that your house is built on is owned by the government. You pay to use the government's land. If you didn't pay, you would be stealing land from the government. It isn't Feudalism, this is just how property/ownership works.

So what you're basically implying is that everything and anything is the property of the Government before you buy it,right?

One interesting question that's worth considering.

Buy it with what, exactly?

[Republica Newland]

My nephew is dying of cancer. I rob you, you pay for his treatment.

Not theft. It went to a valuable service (healthcare) and saved his life.

Maybe you should give up on analogies. I mean you clearly stated that you robbed him. That pretty much destroys any point you were attempting to make.

No it does not.Robbing = To steal from, especially using force or violence or threat thereof.You being sent to the slammer for not paying taxes is a pretty obvious threat in my book.

[Mavorpen]

Maybe you should give up on analogies. I mean you clearly stated that you robbed him. That pretty much destroys any point you were attempting to make.

No it does not.Robbing = To steal from, especially using force or violence or threat thereof.You being sent to the slammer for not paying taxes is a pretty obvious threat in my book.

You want to try again without the blatantly circular logic?

[Ceannairceach]

Maybe you should give up on analogies. I mean you clearly stated that you robbed him. That pretty much destroys any point you were attempting to make.

No it does not.Robbing = To steal from, especially using force or violence or threat thereof.You being sent to the slammer for not paying taxes is a pretty obvious threat in my book.

Because you are obligated to pay taxes if you are a resident US citizen. It's like a country club revoking your membership for not paying the fees.

If you don't want to pay taxes, renounce your citizenship and kindly leave.

[Ifreann]

So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)

Because it's not your money. Pretty simple.

[Kengburg]

Theft: Taking one's money for another's gain
Taxation: Taking one's money for valuable services that are given to the person you took it from (Public Education, Federal Hospitals, Police Department, Fire Department, Military) In sense, if we removed taxation, the US would turn into an anarchy. So just because you get mad at the Obamacare tax does not mean all taxes are theft.

My nephew is dying of cancer. I rob you, you pay for his treatment.

Not theft. It went to a valuable service (healthcare) and saved his life.

Yet people have access to healthcare when they pay their taxes, they always get something back when they give. If you don't pay your taxes, then you aren't entitled to any services the government gives.

[Yorkopolis]

Maybe you should give up on analogies. I mean you clearly stated that you robbed him. That pretty much destroys any point you were attempting to make.

No it does not.Robbing = To steal from, especially using force or violence or threat thereof.You being sent to the slammer for not paying taxes is a pretty obvious threat in my book.

How many times does it take before you understand that taxes are legal and theft isn't?

[Chinese Regions]

The tenant/landlord scenario is equitable to the taxpayer/government one.

So you do admit it's an outdated system reminiscent to Feudalism?

People don't rent houses in the USA? Periodically paying for the use of services/pseudo-ownership of property are not a hard ideas to grasp.

[Republica Newland]

No it does not.Robbing = To steal from, especially using force or violence or threat thereof.You being sent to the slammer for not paying taxes is a pretty obvious threat in my book.

Because you are obligated to pay taxes if you are a resident US citizen. It's like a country club revoking your membership for not paying the fees.

If you don't want to pay taxes, renounce your citizenship and kindly leave.

"If you don't want to pay taxes, renounce your citizenship and kindly leave."

The policies and systems proposed by me are politically impossible to instate in the US,you do realize this is all just hypothetical talk right? Like what would be the right way for a state to work.

[Dremono]

I might have normally agreed.. but the money being "stolen" is going towards a better life for the people, and our country. If a boy took your ball, that would be theft. Though, if a boy took your ball, sold it for more, and got a better ball , would you be happy? Of course. This is quite a strange opinion.