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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:15 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Yandere has won at this juncture.

And here I almost took you seriously.
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Postby Franzoesische Republik » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:16 am

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Or not.


I can't wait for the thread to dissolve into "uh-huh!" and "nuh-uh!" arguing. Looking at the OP, this level of childishness is pretty much par for the course.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:17 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Yandere has won at this juncture.

And here I almost took you seriously.

It wasn't to be taken seriously, as I'd hoped you'd have worked out from the even-more-so-than-usual long-windedness of the post, and also the V for Vendetta reference.

Or the qualifier, 'at this juncture'.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:20 am

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Mavorpen wrote:And here I almost took you seriously.

It wasn't to be taken seriously, as I'd hoped you'd have worked out from the even-more-so-than-usual long-windedness of the post, and also the V for Vendetta reference.

Or the qualifier, 'at this juncture'.

Hence why I said almost.
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Postby Republica Newland » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:27 am

So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)
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Postby Chestaan » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:30 am

Republica Newland wrote:So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)


Because services should be funded by the amount of money they need rather than how much people want to give.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:32 am

Republica Newland wrote:So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)

Because I don't like poor people, and I choose to let poor people starve because I don't realize that my taxes keep them alive.

Taxes aren't yours. They are the property of the government, end of.

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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:33 am

Republica Newland wrote:So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)

Because taxes aren't your money.
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Postby Divair » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:37 am

Republica Newland wrote:So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)

Would you advocate tenants choosing how landlords spend their money?

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Postby Orenica » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:39 am

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Postby Franzoesische Republik » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:41 am

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Republica Newland wrote:So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)


Because services should be funded by the amount of money they need rather than how much people want to give.


And if the altruistic argument doesn't work for you, consider that when most people in a society are healthy, have a job, have a disposable income, etc. that actually keeps the economy going and gives businesses a reason to hire more people. Because no company is going to hire more people if they aren't selling more products, no matter how low their taxes are. And if our economy is in the shitter and you lose your job, it won't matter whether you have an income tax or not.
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Postby Republica Newland » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:44 am

Divair wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)

Would you advocate tenants choosing how landlords spend their money?


Some analogy you have there.This isn't 15th century Europe,tenant =/= social class.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:45 am

Republica Newland wrote:
Divair wrote:Would you advocate tenants choosing how landlords spend their money?


Some analogy you have there.This isn't 15th century Europe,tenant =/= social class.

The tenant/landlord scenario is equitable to the taxpayer/government one.

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Postby Divair » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:46 am

Republica Newland wrote:
Divair wrote:Would you advocate tenants choosing how landlords spend their money?


Some analogy you have there.This isn't 15th century Europe,tenant =/= social class.

Answer the question, please.

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Postby Republica Newland » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:47 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:
Some analogy you have there.This isn't 15th century Europe,tenant =/= social class.

The tenant/landlord scenario is equitable to the taxpayer/government one.


So you do admit it's an outdated system reminiscent to Feudalism?
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:47 am

Republica Newland wrote:
Divair wrote:Would you advocate tenants choosing how landlords spend their money?


Some analogy you have there.This isn't 15th century Europe,tenant =/= social class.

You really don't know what analagies are do you?
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Postby Republica Newland » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:48 am

Mavorpen wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:
Some analogy you have there.This isn't 15th century Europe,tenant =/= social class.

You really don't know what analagies are do you?


Nice spelling. Funny for you to say that when you can't even properly say it.
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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:48 am

Republica Newland wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:The tenant/landlord scenario is equitable to the taxpayer/government one.


So you do admit it's an outdated system reminiscent to Feudalism?

So you want to abolish property? Or just make it so squatters have more rights than owners?

Communist.
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Postby Mavorpen » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:49 am

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Mavorpen wrote:You really don't know what analagies are do you?


Nice spelling.

Thank you. So are we to assume you have nothing worthwhile to contribute?
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Postby Jenrak » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:51 am

Republica Newland wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:You really don't know what analagies are do you?


Nice spelling. Funny for you to say that when you can't even properly say it.


Wait, why is spelling relevant?

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Postby Republica Newland » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:52 am

Ceannairceach wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:
So you do admit it's an outdated system reminiscent to Feudalism?

So you want to abolish property? Or just make it so squatters have more rights than owners?

Communist.


How the heck is being able to choose between the private and the public sector communist?
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Postby Yorkopolis » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:52 am

Republica Newland wrote:So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)

Well. Let's say corporate CEOs bribe taxpayers into choosing their money to be spent into those same corporations and the CEOs' salaries. You advocate that?
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Postby Norstal » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:52 am

Republica Newland wrote:So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)

You mean like voting where your money goes?

Or do you mean the stupid Libertarian bullshit of your taxes is your money so therefore you get to institute a dictatorship that controls where the taxes go?
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Postby Divair » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:52 am

Divair wrote:
Republica Newland wrote:So again,could anyone please tell me what's wrong with choosing for yourself how you want your taxes to be spent rather than letting someone else do it for you? (In the scenario in which the entire population would possess basic education and intellectual capability?)

Would you advocate tenants choosing how landlords spend their money?

Still waiting for an answer.

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Postby Ceannairceach » Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:52 am

Republica Newland wrote:
Ceannairceach wrote:So you want to abolish property? Or just make it so squatters have more rights than owners?

Communist.


How the heck is being able to choose between the private and the public sector communist?

You just said that the idea of tenants and landlords is feudal. Which, in context, implies that you dislike it.

So, you hate property, and thus are a communist.

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