Taxes are theft

[Khadgar]

And it's not working very well the way it is now, sorry. Time to swallow the cold-hard truth the policing system in the states is very flawed.

No reason to throw the entire system out the window.

But the free market fixes everything! Why if only people who can afford the police have their protection that'll be great. We can go back to feudalism! No education for the serfs, no protection, no food, no medicine. Fuck the poor.

[Liriena]

You seriously believe a bunch of untrained armed civilians with no knowledge of the law will make better law enforcers than professional policemen?

And "privatized"? Sure! Let's leave anyone who can't afford to pay unprotected and easy prey for rapists, thieves and murderers. Awesome idea!

If the laws are simple, yes.

Nope. What makes you believe civilians, with little to no accountability whatsoever, could be reliable to act as law enforcers? Especially when armed?

What if you left the law enforcement in the hands of, say, ultra-paranoid xenophobes? The sort that want to commit genocide against muslims?

Or even better: what if you leave law enforcement in the hands of homophobes?

[Yorkopolis]

Fear of punishment is one deterrent to crime. No police, no fear of punishment.

Police forces could be either localised or privatised. I reckon the majority of the country won't need a local police station, and that they're perfectly adept at protecting themselves with their own weapons.

And how are you sure that won't devolve into civil war or rule by warlords? When there's no police force to defend you and you and your neighbours both got arms then bad shit could happen, real bad shit. Let's say your neighbour has a quarrel with another neighbour, and he decides to shoot the other neighbour, knowing everyone else in the neighbourhood also has arms. Suddenly, others in the street mind that their friend is shot, and they get a quarrel with the neighbour who shot the other neighbour. Suddenly, another shooting happens, and you involve yourself as well. In the end everybody is dead. Why? Because there was no police to defend you because either:
1. The private company refused to protect you guys because "you're too expensive" or;
2. There is no police at all.

And you want that? You want everyone to be able to shoot one another just because they don't like one another? You think that'll work without everyone going bat fuck insane?

And private police is the worst fucking idea I have ever heard, it's laughable. Why? Because the private company could decide "Hey, you're too expensive for us, we're not going to bother protecting you because it's not worth it".

Either way, your ideas are really, really bad unless you want the world to murder off one another.

[Liriena]

No reason to throw the entire system out the window.

Actually it is a good reason to toss out the window, so that people have more liberties once again.

The liberty to rape and kill poor and unarmed people? Yeah, awesome.

Your idea of liberty is so ignorant of even the most basic principles of state, law and civil rights, that I'm starting to doubt, not only your maturity and education, but also your sanity.

[Yandere Schoolgirls]

If the laws are simple, yes.

Nope. What makes you believe civilians, with little to no accountability whatsoever, could be reliable to act as law enforcers? Especially when armed?

What if you left the law enforcement in the hands of, say, ultra-paranoid xenophobes? The sort that want to commit genocide against muslims?

Or even better: what if you leave law enforcement in the hands of homophobes?

In a free society people will generally act within their best interests. What is most is important is providing them with the framework that gives them the choice.

[Khadgar]

Police forces could be either localised or privatised. I reckon the majority of the country won't need a local police station, and that they're perfectly adept at protecting themselves with their own weapons.

And how are you sure that won't devolve into civil war or rule by warlords? When there's no police force to defend you and you and your neighbours both got arms then bad shit could happen, real bad shit. Let's say your neighbour has a quarrel with another neighbour, and he decides to shoot the other neighbour, knowing everyone else in the neighbourhood also has arms. Suddenly, others in the street mind that their friend is shot, and they get a quarrel with the neighbour who shot the other neighbour. Suddenly, another shooting happens, and you involve yourself as well. In the end everybody is dead. Why? Because there was no police to defend you because either:
1. The private company refused to protect you guys because "you're too expensive" or;
2. There is no police at all.

And you want that? You want everyone to be able to shoot one another just because they don't like one another? You think that'll work without everyone going bat fuck insane?

And private police is the worst fucking idea I have ever heard, it's laughable. Why? Because the private company could decide "Hey, you're too expensive for us, we're not going to bother protecting you because it's not worth it".

Either way, your ideas are really, really bad unless you want the world to murder off one another.

How long would it take to turn into a protection racket? Six minutes, seven? No courts, unless they're privatized I'm sure.

[Yandere Schoolgirls]

Police forces could be either localised or privatised. I reckon the majority of the country won't need a local police station, and that they're perfectly adept at protecting themselves with their own weapons.

And how are you sure that won't devolve into civil war or rule by warlords? When there's no police force to defend you and you and your neighbours both got arms then bad shit could happen, real bad shit. Let's say your neighbour has a quarrel with another neighbour, and he decides to shoot the other neighbour, knowing everyone else in the neighbourhood also has arms. Suddenly, others in the street mind that their friend is shot, and they get a quarrel with the neighbour who shot the other neighbour. Suddenly, another shooting happens, and you involve yourself as well. In the end everybody is dead. Why? Because there was no police to defend you because either:
1. The private company refused to protect you guys because "you're too expensive" or;
2. There is no police at all.

And you want that? You want everyone to be able to shoot one another just because they don't like one another? You think that'll work without everyone going bat fuck insane?

And private police is the worst fucking idea I have ever heard, it's laughable. Why? Because the private company could decide "Hey, you're too expensive for us, we're not going to bother protecting you because it's not worth it".

Either way, your ideas are really, really bad unless you want the world to murder off one another.

In a free society people are welcomed to have freedom of association. If you feel that an area is too dangerous, then you can gather some friends or find a like-minded community and hire a small local police to protect using your pool of savings. Just so long as the people who paying for the police force are the ones that are benefiting. You may not, though, force people who have no benefit from a police force to pay into a police force.

[Chestaan]

Nope. What makes you believe civilians, with little to no accountability whatsoever, could be reliable to act as law enforcers? Especially when armed?

What if you left the law enforcement in the hands of, say, ultra-paranoid xenophobes? The sort that want to commit genocide against muslims?

Or even better: what if you leave law enforcement in the hands of homophobes?

In a free society people will generally act within their best interests. What is most is important is providing them with the framework that gives them the choice.

It may be in my best interest to go on a spree of rape and murder but that doesn't mean I should be allowed to do it. Sometimes preventing people from acting in their own self interest is a good thing.

[Neo Art]

If the laws are simple, yes.

Nope. What makes you believe civilians, with little to no accountability whatsoever, could be reliable to act as law enforcers? Especially when armed?

What if you left the law enforcement in the hands of, say, ultra-paranoid xenophobes? The sort that want to commit genocide against muslims?

Or even better: what if you leave law enforcement in the hands of homophobes?

For christ's sake WHY do you continue to act as if he has any interest what so ever of having an adult conversation?

He's already been banned once for clearly demonstrating he has no such thing.

[Yandere Schoolgirls]

In a free society people will generally act within their best interests. What is most is important is providing them with the framework that gives them the choice.

It may be in my best interest to go on a spree of rape and murder but that doesn't mean I should be allowed to do it. Sometimes preventing people from acting in their own self interest is a good thing.

Obviously you're going to get killed if you do that.

[Conscentia]

In a free society people will generally act within their best interests. What is most is important is providing them with the framework that gives them the choice.

Source?

[Conscentia]

It may be in my best interest to go on a spree of rape and murder but that doesn't mean I should be allowed to do it. Sometimes preventing people from acting in their own self interest is a good thing.

Obviously you're going to get killed if you do that.

And yet people still do it.

[Chestaan]

It may be in my best interest to go on a spree of rape and murder but that doesn't mean I should be allowed to do it. Sometimes preventing people from acting in their own self interest is a good thing.

Obviously you're going to get killed if you do that.

Missing the point...

[Chinese Regions]

Fear of punishment is one deterrent to crime. No police, no fear of punishment.

Police forces could be either localised or privatised. I reckon the majority of the country won't need a local police station, and that they're perfectly adept at protecting themselves with their own weapons.

You say you don't benefit from the military either?
Okay, good luck when there is a surprise invasion by Canada.

[Yorkopolis]

Nope. What makes you believe civilians, with little to no accountability whatsoever, could be reliable to act as law enforcers? Especially when armed?

What if you left the law enforcement in the hands of, say, ultra-paranoid xenophobes? The sort that want to commit genocide against muslims?

Or even better: what if you leave law enforcement in the hands of homophobes?

In a free society people will generally act within their best interests. What is most is important is providing them with the framework that gives them the choice.

You're avoiding answering the question. What if you left the law enforcement in the hands of ultra-paranoid neo-Nazi KKK skinhead xenophobes who want to commit genocide against anyone who isn't a heterosexual white? It's not a matter of "a free society", it's not a matter of "acting within their best interests". Because when a bunch of ultra-paranoid neo-Nazi KKK skinhead xenophobes are the police, is it in their best interest to oppress anyone who isn't a heterosexual white? Is that "a free society"? If it is according to you, then please go back to your hole in Stormfront.

[Great Nepal]

Police forces could be either localised or privatised. I reckon the majority of the country won't need a local police station, and that they're perfectly adept at protecting themselves with their own weapons.

And obviously military personnels will say "hey, we have guns to take over whole of the country defended by rag tag bunch of men with guns but we wont". Moment state ceases to exist, military dictatorship will take its place within matter of days.

[Yandere Schoolgirls]

Police forces could be either localised or privatised. I reckon the majority of the country won't need a local police station, and that they're perfectly adept at protecting themselves with their own weapons.

You say you don't benefit from the military either?
Okay, good luck when there is a surprise invasion by Canada.

The military serves the common defense, so yes, I would benefit from the military if they were not of course hitting at beehives with sticks.

[The Patriarchist]

Yes, because the goverment has secret money trees.

*nods*

[Yandere Schoolgirls]

Police forces could be either localised or privatised. I reckon the majority of the country won't need a local police station, and that they're perfectly adept at protecting themselves with their own weapons.

And obviously military personnels will say "hey, we have guns to take over whole of the country defended by rag tag bunch of men with guns but we wont". Moment state ceases to exist, military dictatorship will take its place within matter of days.

I'm not an anarchist.

[Conscentia]

You say you don't benefit from the military either?
Okay, good luck when there is a surprise invasion by Canada.

The military serves the common defense, so yes, I would benefit from the military if they were not of course hitting at beehives with sticks.

So you benefit from taxes.

[Chinese Regions]

That police or federal agents would try to arrest me if I were ever able to entirely manage to avoid taxes is part of it, yes, but also because of the intrusive nature of police officers to raid upon our liberties. Drug-use is a really good example, because police more often than not create more crime than they prevent by implementing drug laws that create black markets that fund more crime.

Let me ask you...do you use roads?

He uses most of the things paid via tax.
He's a commie freeloader!

[Liriena]

Nope. What makes you believe civilians, with little to no accountability whatsoever, could be reliable to act as law enforcers? Especially when armed?

What if you left the law enforcement in the hands of, say, ultra-paranoid xenophobes? The sort that want to commit genocide against muslims?

Or even better: what if you leave law enforcement in the hands of homophobes?

In a free society people will generally act within their best interests. What is most is important is providing them with the framework that gives them the choice.

People's best interests sometimes involve violating the liberty of others. In what Universe are you living?
The framework that gives them the choice? You mean the state creating a framework? The framework is already there. And that framework says you gotta pay taxes.

[Conscentia]

And obviously military personnels will say "hey, we have guns to take over whole of the country defended by rag tag bunch of men with guns but we wont". Moment state ceases to exist, military dictatorship will take its place within matter of days.

I'm not an anarchist.

Then how do you expect the state to continue to function without taxes?

[Chinese Regions]

And obviously military personnels will say "hey, we have guns to take over whole of the country defended by rag tag bunch of men with guns but we wont". Moment state ceases to exist, military dictatorship will take its place within matter of days.

I'm not an anarchist.

Walking paradox or just the largest hypocrite ever? Or both?

[Yorkopolis]

And how are you sure that won't devolve into civil war or rule by warlords? When there's no police force to defend you and you and your neighbours both got arms then bad shit could happen, real bad shit. Let's say your neighbour has a quarrel with another neighbour, and he decides to shoot the other neighbour, knowing everyone else in the neighbourhood also has arms. Suddenly, others in the street mind that their friend is shot, and they get a quarrel with the neighbour who shot the other neighbour. Suddenly, another shooting happens, and you involve yourself as well. In the end everybody is dead. Why? Because there was no police to defend you because either:
1. The private company refused to protect you guys because "you're too expensive" or;
2. There is no police at all.

And you want that? You want everyone to be able to shoot one another just because they don't like one another? You think that'll work without everyone going bat fuck insane?

And private police is the worst fucking idea I have ever heard, it's laughable. Why? Because the private company could decide "Hey, you're too expensive for us, we're not going to bother protecting you because it's not worth it".

Either way, your ideas are really, really bad unless you want the world to murder off one another.

In a free society people are welcomed to have freedom of association. If you feel that an area is too dangerous, then you can gather some friends or find a like-minded community and hire a small local police to protect using your pool of savings. Just so long as the people who paying for the police force are the ones that are benefiting. You may not, though, force people who have no benefit from a police force to pay into a police force.

And what if the poor can't afford it? Then they're stuck without protection and being raided by vigilant gangs 24/7? Is that "a free society"?