The Best RL leader your nation ever had?

[Fintanland]

Hitler's not that bad; A lot of people didn't like the Jewry!

Thanks for the Godwin. But that's actually a good example: Even most antisemites wouldn't have dreamed of exterminating the jews. There was a lot of anti-semitism going around, and while that's not commendable, few anti-semites of the time were vile murderers.

[Lewina]

Thats ignorant.

Exactly! Look what I wrote to him (in translation to english):
No offence, but that's sad.
What about the roots?!
What about the culture?!
Don't you have a national pride?
I, the most important thing to me in politics is the Yiddish language, I want it to be taught in school, I, learned the Yiddish language by myself, and it is the most beautiful language.
Believe me, you were just two years in south africa, outside Israel, the situation is very bad and the last thing you want to do is to leave the jewish state.

you have some good opinions there. But learning a foreign language is sometimes essential if you want a great job sometimes.

[Indira]

In the UK? Margret Thatcher

Okay, joking aside, Winston Churchill during WW2

[Camelza]

Thats ignorant.

Exactly! Look what I wrote to him (in translation to english):
No offence, but that's sad.
What about the roots?!
What about the culture?!
Don't you have a national pride?
I, the most important thing to me in politics is the Yiddish language, I want it to be taught in school, I, learned the Yiddish language by myself, and it is the most beautiful language.
Believe me, you were just two years in south africa, outside Israel, the situation is very bad and the last thing you want to do is to leave the jewish state.

That doesn't sound like a good reason for someone to stay in Israel, I mean, national pride? He or She who feels proud of just being a member of something, whatever this is, without having done something himself or herself, must be a really miserable, self-hating, little, human being.

[Ashkland]

Exactly! Look what I wrote to him (in translation to english):
No offence, but that's sad.
What about the roots?!
What about the culture?!
Don't you have a national pride?
I, the most important thing to me in politics is the Yiddish language, I want it to be taught in school, I, learned the Yiddish language by myself, and it is the most beautiful language.
Believe me, you were just two years in south africa, outside Israel, the situation is very bad and the last thing you want to do is to leave the jewish state.

you have some good opinions there. But learning a foreign language is sometimes essential if you want a great job sometimes.

I speak english fluently thank you very much.

[Divair]

Exactly! Look what I wrote to him (in translation to english):
No offence, but that's sad.
What about the roots?!
What about the culture?!
Don't you have a national pride?
I, the most important thing to me in politics is the Yiddish language, I want it to be taught in school, I, learned the Yiddish language by myself, and it is the most beautiful language.
Believe me, you were just two years in south africa, outside Israel, the situation is very bad and the last thing you want to do is to leave the jewish state.

That doesn't sound like a good reason for someone to stay in Israel, I mean, national pride? He or She who feels proud of just being a member of something, whatever this is, without having done something himself or herself, must be a really miserable, self-hating, little, human being.

Welcome to the Middle East.

[Paixao]

Oddly enough... probably Salazar, the fascist dictator. (Portugal). He re-vamped Portugal's economy for the last time in it's recent history.

That said, secret police and the annihilation of 'Communist Sympathizers' wasn't a great thing.

Perhaps D. João IV...

Meh, screw it. We're not great at leaders, we had a few good kings but now all we have is corrupt politicians!

[Ardboe Eire]

Ireland=Michael Collins. He lead us to independence and sacrificed his life for his dream, a united Ireland.

[Lewina]

you have some good opinions there. But learning a foreign language is sometimes essential if you want a great job sometimes.

I speak english fluently thank you very much.

I'm learning French.

[Free Tristania]

Hitler's not that bad; A lot of people didn't like the Jewry!

Thanks for the Godwin. But that's actually a good example: Even most antisemites wouldn't have dreamed of exterminating the jews. There was a lot of anti-semitism going around, and while that's not commendable, few anti-semites of the time were vile murderers.

In those days even the Left was anti-Semitic. It was part of the political discourse but this of course did not help the Jews either as few people were willing to help them out. Very few people were. These feelings only began to change after WWII.

[Ceannairceach]

Hitler's not that bad; A lot of people didn't like the Jewry!

Thanks for the Godwin. But that's actually a good example: Even most antisemites wouldn't have dreamed of exterminating the jews. There was a lot of anti-semitism going around, and while that's not commendable, few anti-semites of the time were vile murderers.

Godwin's a joke,

The idea is that simply because it was acceptable at the time, does not mean that its more extreme extension is as well. Democracy existed during the Roman era; Just because it did does not excuse Rome in attempting aristocratic rule.

[Tunasai]

U.S.A.: We haven't had a good one since Lincoln.

I beg to differ here:

Franklin D Roosevelt
John F Kennedy

Depends on how you define good leader. If you define it by economically smart, then no, FDR is not. FDR was a terrible President. His economic policies were a disaster and if anything he extended the Great Depression nearly 6 years. The War pulled his economy out of the tank. The only thing FDR was good at was bringing Americans comfort. Other than that he wouldn't stand up to the USSR one bit.

JFK was a good leader. He was brave and new the stakes of the Cold War. He was honest, as he admitted of the Bay of Pigs. And he successfully navigated around the end of the world.

Ronald Reagan was a good leader
George HW Bush too

[Ashkland]

That doesn't sound like a good reason for someone to stay in Israel, I mean, national pride? He or She who feels proud of just being a member of something, whatever this is, without having done something himself or herself, must be a really miserable, self-hating, little, human being.

Welcome to the Middle East.

You know what the pharse says: "Neighbour's garden looks greener". When you will go to another country, you will think "how horrible it is in here"

[Camelza]

That doesn't sound like a good reason for someone to stay in Israel, I mean, national pride? He or She who feels proud of just being a member of something, whatever this is, without having done something himself or herself, must be a really miserable, self-hating, little, human being.

Welcome to the Middle East.

The whole world is a huge "Middle-east" in that sense, I'm afraid.

[Free Tristania]

Thanks for the Godwin. But that's actually a good example: Even most antisemites wouldn't have dreamed of exterminating the jews. There was a lot of anti-semitism going around, and while that's not commendable, few anti-semites of the time were vile murderers.

Godwin's a joke,

The idea is that simply because it was acceptable at the time, does not mean that its more extreme extension is as well. Democracy existed during the Roman era; Just because it did does not excuse Rome in attempting aristocratic rule.

Roman "democracy" was not a democracy but a plutocracy or olicharchy where only the rich reigned supreme and the older the family name (and the family fortune) the better. The plebeians had to be loyal to a certain family in order to be allowed to lap up the crumbs from the table. Much like today's Latin America, the Philippines.. or in a way Italy.

[Divair]

You know what the pharse says: "Neighbour's garden looks greener". When you will go to another country, you will think how horrible it is in here.

I've already gone to another countries. About 40 or so, in fact. Some are worse, some are better. I'm leaving for one far better, and some random person on a forum whining about national pride isn't going to stop me.

[Ceannairceach]

I beg to differ here:

Franklin D Roosevelt
John F Kennedy

Depends on how you define good leader. If you define it by economically smart, then no, FDR is not. FDR was a terrible President. His economic policies were a disaster and if anything he extended the Great Depression nearly 6 years. The War pulled his economy out of the tank. The only thing FDR was good at was bringing Americans comfort. Other than that he wouldn't stand up to the USSR one bit.

JFK was a good leader. He was brave and new the stakes of the Cold War. He was honest, as he admitted of the Bay of Pigs. And he successfully navigated around the end of the world.

Ronald Reagan was a good leader
George HW Bush too

You obviously don't understand anything about Keynesian economics or how they work if you really think that FDR didn't help. And what does the USSR have to do with FDR? They were worse hit by the economic downturn than America; At the time, it was more likely that they were going to fall naturally than through American arms.

[Paixao]

That doesn't sound like a good reason for someone to stay in Israel, I mean, national pride? He or She who feels proud of just being a member of something, whatever this is, without having done something himself or herself, must be a really miserable, self-hating, little, human being.

Welcome to the Middle East.

Or Britain... Or the USA.

I mean, what has the BMP supporter done to 'make Britain great'? What is there that's so great about Britain these days anyway?

What has the idiot Redneck done to 'make America great' apart from drink and waste unemployment benefits on trucks?

Point is, most nations have a minority of overly zealous patriots that like to think they're better because they were born in the country their supporting. No point in singling out the middle east

NB: Does America have a receipt for that blessing it apparently received? So many claims... so few sources...

[Divair]

Welcome to the Middle East.

The whole world is a huge "Middle-east" in that sense, I'm afraid.

It's just more extreme here.

[Icesteam]

Oh, we'd have to wander back in time a little. Either Kazimierz Wielki if it's 'bout Poland, or Jan III Sobieski when it's 'bout saving Europe's arse.

[Fintanland]

Roman "democracy" was not a democracy but a plutocracy or olicharchy where only the rich reigned supreme and the older the family name (and the family fortune) the better.

For satirical purposes, you could exaggerate and claim that there are certain parallels to today... that would be an exaggeration, but it still points out an inherent danger in a republic. One neither Rome nor our modern democracies are immune against.

[Ashkland]

You know what the pharse says: "Neighbour's garden looks greener". When you will go to another country, you will think how horrible it is in here.

I've already gone to another countries. About 40 or so, in fact. Some are worse, some are better. I'm leaving for one far better, and some random person on a forum whining about national pride isn't going to stop me.

טוב, אתה מקרה אבוד, חבל.

[Lewina]

The whole world is a huge "Middle-east" in that sense, I'm afraid.

It's just more extreme here.

*cough* Because of the conservatives. *cough*

[Fedeledland]

For Colombia it might be Alfonso López Pumarejo or Álvaro Uribe. Maybe Francisco de Paula Santander or Gustavo Rojas Pinilla.

Those are the meh to good ones and all the others are complete and utter crap.

[Camelza]

Welcome to the Middle East.

You know what the pharse says: "Neighbour's garden looks greener". When you will go to another country, you will think "how horrible it is in here"

I can't see how a peaceful welfare state full of kind people would be worse than Israel.