Do you serve in the military?

[Immoren]

Yeah, but I mean honestly, who's going to invade Canada?

No one if they have a military that makes it seem not worth it. If there was no military, US troops would be loading the maple syrup into trucks right now.

I was going to ask that too...so many people from other nations!

Indeed. I almost picked Army, until I saw the last option.

I did my time in the Finnish Defence Forces, now a happy reservist. And since there are Finns on the board who actually have testicles (whether physical or mental) and might be interested:
2/11 PsPr/HämPsP/PsPionK

Greetings ironclad comrade.
"Meillä on käsky jyrkin
uhmata kuolemaa.
Voimalla panssarinyrkin
ruhjoa vastustajaa.
Meillä ei säikytä,
meillä ei surra
- iske ja murra!"

[Sebytania]

No one if they have a military that makes it seem not worth it. If there was no military, US troops would be loading the maple syrup into trucks right now.



Indeed. I almost picked Army, until I saw the last option.

I did my time in the Finnish Defence Forces, now a happy reservist. And since there are Finns on the board who actually have testicles (whether physical or mental) and might be interested:
2/11 PsPr/HämPsP/PsPionK

Greetings ironclad comrade.
"Meillä on käsky jyrkin
uhmata kuolemaa.
Voimalla panssarinyrkin
ruhjoa vastustajaa.
Meillä ei säikytä,
meillä ei surra
- iske ja murra!"

Ah, another one bestowed with the "steel-hard glaze of the armoured fighter" (Lt. Col. Suikkanen). I do believe the last line is "rötväys ja pulla", though.

[Ayreonia]

I did my time in the Finnish Defence Forces, now a happy reservist. And since there are Finns on the board who actually have testicles (whether physical or mental) and might be interested:
2/11 PsPr/HämPsP/PsPionK

Engineer?

*squints suspiciously*

[Immoren]

Greetings ironclad comrade.
"Meillä on käsky jyrkin
uhmata kuolemaa.
Voimalla panssarinyrkin
ruhjoa vastustajaa.
Meillä ei säikytä,
meillä ei surra
- iske ja murra!"

Ah, another one bestowed with the "steel-hard glaze of the armoured fighter" (Lt. Col. Suikkanen). I do believe the last line is "rötväys ja pulla", though.

Although I was in Karelian Brigade.

I did my time in the Finnish Defence Forces, now a happy reservist. And since there are Finns on the board who actually have testicles (whether physical or mental) and might be interested:
2/11 PsPr/HämPsP/PsPionK

Engineer?

*squints suspiciously*

:D

[Sebytania]

Although I was in Karelian Brigade.

Ah, then you *might* have avoided the most of the "armoured traditions" stuff. As well as newer equipment, I believe Parola is the only garrison that actually has ZIL trucks and MT-LBv:s these days. Not that there's nothing wrong with those, though.

Engineer?

*squints suspiciously*

Aye, though I was a Medic NCO, doing the task of a medical team (1+2+5) alone. As well as blowing shit up every now and then. And setting up electricity to command posts. All kinds of stuff, as our platoon was pretty short on men.

[Ayreonia]

Although I was in Karelian Brigade.

Ah, then you *might* have avoided the most of the "armoured traditions" stuff. As well as newer equipment, I believe Parola is the only garrison that actually has ZIL trucks and MT-LBv:s these days. Not that there's nothing wrong with those, though.

Engineer?

*squints suspiciously*

Aye, though I was a Medic NCO, doing the task of a medical team (1+2+5) alone. As well as blowing shit up every now and then. And setting up electricity to command posts. All kinds of stuff, as our platoon was pretty short on men.

Cool, although I have a deep distrust towards people who are so obsessed with mines. Seriously. Fuck mines. I was an IFV driver, and fuck mines.

I've spent time in the field near Parola (2x 1 week) and even in that short time had enough of your "armored traditions". No offense. For some reason, you guys were pretty hostile towards us. I mean, when conversing and stuff. The shooting-at-each-other is to be expected.'

Good old ZIL... the only truck in the world with power steering function in one direction and it's called a characteristic rather than a flaw.

[Endless Spacesness]

Perhaps going to, currently in dubio between Engineers or Logistic personnel

[Immoren]

garrison that actually has ZIL trucks and MT-LBv:s these days. Not that there's nothing wrong with those, though.

I was pondering about going to office to ask if they could transfer my wartime position from that regional battlegroup to one those new motorized battlegroups, given I have armoured infantryman's training. Then I could experience MT-LBvs.

Perhaps going to, currently in dubio between Engineers or Logistic personnel

Engineers 'cos blowing stuff is fun.

[Jessjohnesik]

Nope. Never did either. Never will, i hope...

[Aethrys]

I've fancied signing up for the Canadian Army reserve, I appreciate the discipline and drive it's imparted in my family members that have served, but I end up consistently conflicted by the fact that I am an anarchist and have non-aggression borderline pacifist ideals.

I suppose I'd join up if we were invaded or something of the kind, for the time being, I'm not willing to serve the state in that context.

Yeah, but I mean honestly, who's going to invade Canada?

We are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_plan_red

[Tekania]

Yeah, but I mean honestly, who's going to invade Canada?

We are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_plan_red

It's ingenious, no one would expect us to use a plan which is built around 86 year old outdated information and logistics.

[Big Jim P]

I served years ago. Not anymore.

[Ayreonia]

I was pondering about going to office to ask if they could transfer my wartime position from that regional battlegroup to one those new motorized battlegroups, given I have armoured infantryman's training. Then I could experience MT-LBvs.

But why? Those things look ridiculous. Like toads on tracks. Although I did see a picture of one with an anti-air gun bolted on its roof. Looked badass.

[Aethrys]

We are.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_plan_red

It's ingenious, no one would expect us to use a plan which is built around 86 year old outdated information and logistics.

Of course. It's just like the Spanish inquisition.

[Immoren]

I was pondering about going to office to ask if they could transfer my wartime position from that regional battlegroup to one those new motorized battlegroups, given I have armoured infantryman's training. Then I could experience MT-LBvs.

But why? Those things look ridiculous. Like toads on tracks. Although I did see a picture of one with an anti-air gun bolted on its roof. Looked badass.

Because tractor+dung cart isn't befitting ride for an armoured infantryman.
Also we need more MT-LBvs so we can give them to tractor troops.

[Selung]

And?

Lots of civilians get killed... it's called modern warfare.

If that orange bar wasn't so high you can expect a lot more casualties from our uniformed personnel. Are you going to put the lives of foreign civilians ahead of the safety and interests of our brave soldiers?

The fact of the matter is, sometimes you have to shoot before you ask questions... or people die. It's either us or them.

I'm not sure I support everything that North Stradia was saying, but I really, really, really, really, extra really hope I never have to meet you Jassysworth. The whole concept of "our guys life is worth more than others because we were born in the same country" is one I despise with all my heart. As a non-us citizen/resident it scares me deeply that you would brush off human life so easily once you knew they weren't born in the same part of the world as yourself.

Sorry, if I dug up an old post, but I felt I really had to point that out.

Back on topic now. No I dont serve in the military, and I doubt I would ever join the armed forces as things presently stand, although I feel I would join should a war directly threatening my nations sovereignty break out.

[The Zeonic States]

And?

Lots of civilians get killed... it's called modern warfare.

If that orange bar wasn't so high you can expect a lot more casualties from our uniformed personnel. Are you going to put the lives of foreign civilians ahead of the safety and interests of our brave soldiers?

The fact of the matter is, sometimes you have to shoot before you ask questions... or people die. It's either us or them.

I'm not sure I support everything that North Stradia was saying, but I really, really, really, really, extra really hope I never have to meet you Jassysworth. The whole concept of "our guys life is worth more than others because we were born in the same country" is one I despise with all my heart. As a non-us citizen/resident it scares me deeply that you would brush off human life so easily once you knew they weren't born in the same part of the world as yourself.

Sorry, if I dug up an old post, but I felt I really had to point that out.

Back on topic now. No I dont serve in the military, and I doubt I would ever join the armed forces as things presently stand, although I feel I would join should a war directly threatening my nations sovereignty break out.

Foreigners shall never be as important as Nationals as long as Seperate Statehoods exist.

That is a simple documented truth.

And honestly from a fiscal standpoint he is correct, National Soldiers are a far more pressing investment then foreign citizens. Most militaries dump fortunes into training, maintaining and arming soldiers making them at least montary wise far more important an asset to keep active.

[Ayreonia]

But why? Those things look ridiculous. Like toads on tracks. Although I did see a picture of one with an anti-air gun bolted on its roof. Looked badass.

Because tractor+dung cart isn't befitting ride for an armoured infantryman.
Also we need more MT-LBvs so we can give them to tractor troops.

Good point. MT-LBvs aren't even more expensive than tractors. We gotta do something about the looks, though. A .50 on the top should suffice.

[Sebytania]

Cool, although I have a deep distrust towards people who are so obsessed with mines. Seriously. Fuck mines. I was an IFV driver, and fuck mines.

They're pretty heavy. Especially AT mines. Which are nothing when compared to the 20kg blocks of TNT we like to put under them, just in case a mineplow shows up. Luckily, I avoided most of that, managed to convince my instructors that a medic laying mines is indeed against the Geneve conventions, and one defusing them (which is even shittier than laying them - unless done with lots of explosives) is a waste of resources.

I've spent time in the field near Parola (2x 1 week) and even in that short time had enough of your "armored traditions".

Having to spend an hour or two listening to the history of anything related to armour, engineers, jaegers or whatever fits the theme (luckily, they didn't include a lesson on the history of military police) is pretty horrible, even for someone who spent time studying history at the university.

For some reason, you guys were pretty hostile towards us. I mean, when conversing and stuff. The shooting-at-each-other is to be expected.

In an exercise, inter-service rivalry tends to be higher. We're also not that used to seeing green berets in the garrison (or any other equipment that wasn't issued there, including M/05 LBV:s)

Good old ZIL... the only truck in the world with power steering function in one direction and it's called a characteristic rather than a flaw.

The best truck for the job it's designed. The mileage is pretty horrible, and I've heard it's far from nice to drive, but you can cross any terrain with that thing (driving over smaller trees just makes getting firewood easier).

Because tractor+dung cart isn't befitting ride for an armoured infantryman.
Also we need more MT-LBvs so we can give them to tractor troops.

Good point. MT-LBvs aren't even more expensive than tractors. We gotta do something about the looks, though. A .50 on the top should suffice.

And you can do wheelies with a "fighting toad". Not that it's not possible with tractors, but everything looks better on tracks, doesn't it?

[Carsonalia]

10 years. 1 R IRISH.

[Ayreonia]

They're pretty heavy. Especially AT mines. Which are nothing when compared to the 20kg blocks of TNT we like to put under them, just in case a mineplow shows up. Luckily, I avoided most of that, managed to convince my instructors that a medic laying mines is indeed against the Geneve conventions, and one defusing them (which is even shittier than laying them - unless done with lots of explosives) is a waste of resources.

I've heard mine clearing via sniper rifle is pretty cool.

In an exercise, inter-service rivalry tends to be higher. We're also not that used to seeing green berets in the garrison (or any other equipment that wasn't issued there, including M/05 LBV:s)

Haha, yeah. Our CV9030s and RK95s caused more than a little confusion. The best reaction I got was when one of your guys checked out my LBV and was like "dude, that actually looks... practical."

And you can do wheelies with a "fighting toad". Not that it's not possible with tractors, but everything looks better on tracks, doesn't it?

I've heard the Toad is actually very good at what it does. But then, I've also heard that it can be perforated by a determined enough machine gunner.

[Selung]

I'm not sure I support everything that North Stradia was saying, but I really, really, really, really, extra really hope I never have to meet you Jassysworth. The whole concept of "our guys life is worth more than others because we were born in the same country" is one I despise with all my heart. As a non-us citizen/resident it scares me deeply that you would brush off human life so easily once you knew they weren't born in the same part of the world as yourself.

Sorry, if I dug up an old post, but I felt I really had to point that out.

Back on topic now. No I dont serve in the military, and I doubt I would ever join the armed forces as things presently stand, although I feel I would join should a war directly threatening my nations sovereignty break out.

Foreigners shall never be as important as Nationals as long as Seperate Statehoods exist.

That is a simple documented truth.

And honestly from a fiscal standpoint he is correct, National Soldiers are a far more pressing investment then foreign citizens. Most militaries dump fortunes into training, maintaining and arming soldiers making them at least montary wise far more important an asset to keep active.

And from an ethical standpoint? Are we to abandon all ethics in the pursuit of the perfect "fiscal" war?

[Kvatchdom]

I will be joining the Finnish air force

[Allegamen]

I'm currently in DEP for the USMC, and I'm shipping out later this year.

[Libertarian California]

No. However, once I finish college, I am considering a career with the Central Intelligence Agency.


Many CIA practices go against my beliefs, but the job still seems so cool