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What branch do you serve?

Army
16
21%
Navy
8
10%
Marine Corps
9
12%
Air Force
6
8%
Coast Guard
1
1%
Contractor (or Civilian)
9
12%
Other Nation's Military
29
37%
 
Total votes : 78

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Aethrys
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Postby Aethrys » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:35 am

North Stradia wrote:
Aethrys wrote:
There were no planes in the video you linked, let alone any RPAs.

Maybe I had the wrong video? I was meaning to link to the one leaked by Bradley Manning in which a military plane is used to summarily execute innocent civilians.


I didn't see anything like that. I saw footage from a helicopter gun cam showing collateral damage. No planes at all.

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Aethrys wrote:
There were no planes in the video you linked, let alone any RPAs.

Btw I like your nation flag...Metro 2033 was a freaking awesome game!


Yeah, I hope THQ dissolving won't affect Last Light.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =1&theater
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Feb 02, 2013 1:36 am

North Stradia wrote:
Aethrys wrote:
There were no planes in the video you linked, let alone any RPAs.

Maybe I had the wrong video? I was meaning to link to the one leaked by Bradley Manning in which a military plane is used to summarily execute innocent civilians.

No such video exists.
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North Stradia
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Postby North Stradia » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:08 am

Aethrys wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Maybe I had the wrong video? I was meaning to link to the one leaked by Bradley Manning in which a military plane is used to summarily execute innocent civilians.


I didn't see anything like that. I saw footage from a helicopter gun cam showing collateral damage. No planes at all.

Defensor wrote:Btw I like your nation flag...Metro 2033 was a freaking awesome game!


Yeah, I hope THQ dissolving won't affect Last Light.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =1&theater

Whatever, helicopters. And "collateral damage"is just another way of saying the summary execution of innocent civilians.
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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:19 am

Used to serve in FDF. Now I am in the reserves.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:19 am

North Stradia wrote:
Aethrys wrote:
I didn't see anything like that. I saw footage from a helicopter gun cam showing collateral damage. No planes at all.



Yeah, I hope THQ dissolving won't affect Last Light.

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid= ... =1&theater

Whatever, helicopters. And "collateral damage"is just another way of saying the summary execution of innocent civilians.

You don't actually know what "summary execution" means, do you?
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
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Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:21 am

Dyakovo wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Whatever, helicopters. And "collateral damage"is just another way of saying the summary execution of innocent civilians.

You don't actually know what "summary execution" means, do you?

Apparently no.
IC Flag Is a Pope Principia
discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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North Stradia
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Postby North Stradia » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:22 am

Dyakovo wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Whatever, helicopters. And "collateral damage"is just another way of saying the summary execution of innocent civilians.

You don't actually know what "summary execution" means, do you?

Murder, on the spot, by the government, without trial, no questions asked. The military is part of the government.
I am a Feudo-capitalist, egoist, and a supporter of plutocracy.
R.I.P. Sark, the last feudalist State in the world, born 933, died 2008
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:28 am

Immoren wrote:Used to serve in FDF. Now I am in the reserves.

I suppose I should answer the OP's question at some point...

US Army National Guard, MOS: 19k
USMC, MOS: 0331/8156
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
USMC veteran MOS 0331/8152
Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
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Jassysworth 1
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Postby Jassysworth 1 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:28 am

Not yet...

But someday I'll join the military so I get to fight terrorists, protect my country, spread democracy and save people from corrupt, authoritarian dictatorships...

People in the military are brave patriots and heroes.
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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:29 am

North Stradia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:You don't actually know what "summary execution" means, do you?

Murder, on the spot, by the government, without trial, no questions asked. The military is part of the government.

Wrong.
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
USMC veteran MOS 0331/8152
Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
Margno, Llamalandia, Tarsonis Survivors, Bachmann's America, Internationalist Bastard B'awwwww! You're mean!

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Herador
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Postby Herador » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:29 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Immoren wrote:Used to serve in FDF. Now I am in the reserves.

I suppose I should answer the OP's question at some point...

US Army National Guard, MOS: 19k
USMC, MOS: 0331/8156

It's hard to imagine you in a combat role, may I asked what you were equipped with when you worked as a 0331?
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Defensor
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Postby Defensor » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:29 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Immoren wrote:Used to serve in FDF. Now I am in the reserves.

I suppose I should answer the OP's question at some point...

US Army National Guard, MOS: 19k
USMC, MOS: 0331/8156

Damn, crossed between branches? What made you do that?
I get on NS when I'm bored. TG's are welcomed and replied to!
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Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

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Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

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The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:30 am

Herador wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:I suppose I should answer the OP's question at some point...

US Army National Guard, MOS: 19k
USMC, MOS: 0331/8156

It's hard to imagine you in a combat role.

Why?
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
USMC veteran MOS 0331/8152
Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
Margno, Llamalandia, Tarsonis Survivors, Bachmann's America, Internationalist Bastard B'awwwww! You're mean!

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North Stradia
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Postby North Stradia » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:31 am

Dyakovo wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Murder, on the spot, by the government, without trial, no questions asked. The military is part of the government.

Wrong.

Whatever. Whether itś summary execution or not, itś still murder. Murder of innocent civilians who committed no crime besides being in the wrong place at the wrong time.
I am a Feudo-capitalist, egoist, and a supporter of plutocracy.
R.I.P. Sark, the last feudalist State in the world, born 933, died 2008
Economic Left/Right: +9.89
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: +8.12
Foreign Policy Non-Interventionist/Neocon: +5.88
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Jassysworth 1
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Postby Jassysworth 1 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:32 am

North Stradia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Wrong.

Whatever. Whether itś summary execution or not, itś still murder. Murder of innocent civilians who committed no crime besides being in the wrong place at the wrong time.


''You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs...''

You can't fight a modern war without killing a few civilians.


If you want freedom and security... there is a price to pay and someone has to do the job of protecting the country.

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Herador
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Postby Herador » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:33 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Herador wrote:It's hard to imagine you in a combat role.

Why?

Not sure, the idea was just a surprising one when it first hit me. Mind if I asked what you were equipped with when you were a 0331?
My politics are real simple: I just want to be able to afford to go to the doctor.

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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:34 am

Defensor wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:I suppose I should answer the OP's question at some point...

US Army National Guard, MOS: 19k
USMC, MOS: 0331/8156

Damn, crossed between branches? What made you do that?

The National Guard unit I was with was a joke. They were the stereotypical weekend warriors, so I decided "Fuck it, I'll go active duty." I decided since I was going active duty I'd follow in my father's footsteps. He was a Marine in the Korean War.
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
USMC veteran MOS 0331/8152
Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
Margno, Llamalandia, Tarsonis Survivors, Bachmann's America, Internationalist Bastard B'awwwww! You're mean!

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North Stradia
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Postby North Stradia » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:35 am

Jassysworth 1 wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Whatever. Whether itś summary execution or not, itś still murder. Murder of innocent civilians who committed no crime besides being in the wrong place at the wrong time.


''You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs...''

You can't fight a modern war without killing a few civilians.


If you want freedom and security... there is a price to pay and someone has to do the job of protecting the country.

Killing of civilians is murder. Period.
I don't believe that countries should exist, so defending a country is meaningless to me. (which is also why I have no problem with treason)
I am a Feudo-capitalist, egoist, and a supporter of plutocracy.
R.I.P. Sark, the last feudalist State in the world, born 933, died 2008
Economic Left/Right: +9.89
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: +8.12
Foreign Policy Non-Interventionist/Neocon: +5.88
Cultural Liberal/Conservative: +2.90

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Immoren
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Postby Immoren » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:38 am

North Stradia wrote:
Jassysworth 1 wrote:
''You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs...''

You can't fight a modern war without killing a few civilians.


If you want freedom and security... there is a price to pay and someone has to do the job of protecting the country.

Killing of civilians is murder. Period.
I don't believe that countries should exist, so defending a country is meaningless to me. (which is also why I have no problem with treason)


Murder implies intent.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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North Stradia
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Postby North Stradia » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:38 am

Immoren wrote:
North Stradia wrote:Killing of civilians is murder. Period.
I don't believe that countries should exist, so defending a country is meaningless to me. (which is also why I have no problem with treason)


Murder implies intent.

My Lai
I am a Feudo-capitalist, egoist, and a supporter of plutocracy.
R.I.P. Sark, the last feudalist State in the world, born 933, died 2008
Economic Left/Right: +9.89
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: +8.12
Foreign Policy Non-Interventionist/Neocon: +5.88
Cultural Liberal/Conservative: +2.90

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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:39 am

Herador wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Why?

Not sure, the idea was just a surprising one when it first hit me. Mind if I asked what you were equipped with when you were a 0331?

The Ma Deuce, Mark 19, and M60 were our weapons of choice.
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
USMC veteran MOS 0331/8152
Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
Margno, Llamalandia, Tarsonis Survivors, Bachmann's America, Internationalist Bastard B'awwwww! You're mean!

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Postby Defensor » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:40 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Defensor wrote:Damn, crossed between branches? What made you do that?

The National Guard unit I was with was a joke. They were the stereotypical weekend warriors, so I decided "Fuck it, I'll go active duty." I decided since I was going active duty I'd follow in my father's footsteps. He was a Marine in the Korean War.

I know what you mean, but that's the guard for you. Hence I went straight active duty. I was going to join the Marines like my grandfather (nam vet), but decided to follow my dad in the Air Force. Not as hoorah or hua as the other branches, but I still get the job done.
I get on NS when I'm bored. TG's are welcomed and replied to!
Spreewerke wrote:
Defensor wrote:I can argue from both sides of the fence, since I love and own a few of both platforms. A little bit of good in all of them :)

I like you.

San-Silvacian wrote:
Defensor wrote:Along with "High Powered Murder Weapon" (o.o)

I still that is the coolest fucking name ever.

"Introducing the BF-666 HIGH POWERED MURDER WEAPON. FUCK YOU LIBERALS!"

Christmahanikwanzikah wrote:
Beloyukto wrote:A punch of Jews

Is this what we call a group of Jews now?

Weird.

Defensor wrote:
The Rich Port wrote:Let me ask YOU something.

How come nobody ever asks confrontational, easy-to-look-up questions to Hindus?

We're people too, you know.

Haha! No you're not! *hands you a papertowel* Now wipe that dirt off your shoes and get back to work you silly midget :)

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Dyakovo
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Postby Dyakovo » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:40 am

North Stradia wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:Wrong.

Whatever. Whether itś summary execution or not, itś still murder. Murder of innocent civilians who committed no crime besides being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Wrong again.
Don't take life so serious... It isn't permanent...
Freedom from religion is an integral part of Freedom of religion
Married to Koshka
USMC veteran MOS 0331/8152
Grave_n_Idle: Maybe that's why the bible is so anti-other-gods, the other gods do exist, but they diss on Jehovah all the time for his shitty work.
Ifreann: Odds are you're secretly a zebra with a very special keyboard.
Ostro: I think women need to be trained
Margno, Llamalandia, Tarsonis Survivors, Bachmann's America, Internationalist Bastard B'awwwww! You're mean!

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North Stradia
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Postby North Stradia » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:42 am

Also:
Image
Casualties in the Iraq war. Dark blue is coalition forces, green is Iraqi forces, gray is insurgents/enemies, and orange is - you guessed it - civilians.
I am a Feudo-capitalist, egoist, and a supporter of plutocracy.
R.I.P. Sark, the last feudalist State in the world, born 933, died 2008
Economic Left/Right: +9.89
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: +8.12
Foreign Policy Non-Interventionist/Neocon: +5.88
Cultural Liberal/Conservative: +2.90

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Jassysworth 1
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Postby Jassysworth 1 » Sat Feb 02, 2013 2:42 am

North Stradia wrote:
Jassysworth 1 wrote:
''You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs...''

You can't fight a modern war without killing a few civilians.


If you want freedom and security... there is a price to pay and someone has to do the job of protecting the country.

Killing of civilians is murder. Period.
I don't believe that countries should exist, so defending a country is meaningless to me. (which is also why I have no problem with treason)


Doesn't matter what you call it... killing a few civilians is pretty much a Must Happen in modern warfare and especially when the enemy sinks so low they'll disguise themselves as civilians to attack out troops, plant bombs on civilians, have civilians help hide terrorists, and use civilians as human shields.

If they won't play by the rules, then you can't expect us to always... we try to but a few civilians will have to get killed. It's just a fact of the matter of modern warfare.


You have no problem with treason?

So you don't believe countries should NOT exist and have no problem with people betraying their countries and YET you (presumably) live in a country and enjoy all the benefits of living in a country and having soldiers protect the country. Seems legit...
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