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Postby Salamanderston » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:18 pm

Thafoo wrote:
Salamanderston wrote:So let's ignore 4 years of down down down?

Ok.

Compared to Bush...


You do realize that Bush spent bare non compared to Obama's spending which tripled our original debt.

Tripled.

This may sound crazy, but shouldn't one put blame on the bad practice of the original administration for tripling the bad practices the original moderates?

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:18 pm

Immoren wrote:Obama is a Socialist? I must've missed the memo.


It's the same one that said he's a Kenyan Muslim with a whitey-hating Christian pastor.
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Postby Saruhan » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:18 pm

Salamanderston wrote:
Thafoo wrote:
Compared to Bush...


You do realize that Bush spent bare non compared to Obama's spending which tripled our original debt.

Tripled.

This may sound crazy, but shouldn't one put blame on the bad practice of the original administration for tripling the bad practices the original moderates?

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That debt was incurred by Bush, Obama simply stopped hiding it
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Postby New Chalcedon » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:19 pm

Salamanderston wrote:So let's ignore 4 years of down down down?

Ok.


Bullshit marinated in horse-piss, as is to be expected from the "Obama's a Socialist!!" crowd.

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Note that the turnaround started in February '09 - about three weeks after Obama's inauguration.

If it's jobs you're referring to, I instead have this:

Public-sector and private-sector employment under Bush vs. Obama:

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Your idea - that it's a sudden turnaround, after 4 years of disaster under the Socialist Obama Administration (tm), is still bullshit - and the bullshit is still marinated in horse-piss.

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:Obama is a socialist, that's for certain.


Lol no. Anywhere but the USA, he'd be a good fit for the right-wing political parties. It's only in America, where the political spectrum is fucked up beyond belief, that there's anyone at all who seriously considers him socialist.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:20 pm

inb4 Taxes is theft.

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Postby Salamanderston » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:21 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Salamanderston wrote:
You do realize that Bush spent bare non compared to Obama's spending which tripled our original debt.

Tripled.

This may sound crazy, but shouldn't one put blame on the bad practice of the original administration for tripling the bad practices the original moderates?

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That debt wasincurred by Bush, Obama simply stopped hiding it


So doing something and being less hidden about it. . .like murdering someone or stealing their wallet is OK but hiding it from them is not.

Ok.

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Postby Gauthier » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:21 pm

Norstal wrote:inb4 Taxes is theft.

Can we just rename NationStates to FreeRepublic at this point?


Notice the people who scream "TAXES IS THEFT" the loudest never complain about sales taxes?
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Postby Saruhan » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:22 pm

Salamanderston wrote:
Saruhan wrote:That debt wasincurred by Bush, Obama simply stopped hiding it


So doing something and being less hidden about it. . .like murdering someone or stealing their wallet is OK but hiding it from them is not.

Ok.

What are you even trying to say? Yes, Obama was being a good leader by stopping the practice of hiding the countries finances. Yes, i'm glad you agree that Bush was being a bad leader for doing this
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Postby Salamanderston » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:23 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:
Salamanderston wrote:So let's ignore 4 years of down down down?

Ok.


Bullshit marinated in horse-piss, as is to be expected from the "Obama's a Socialist!!" crowd.

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Note that the turnaround started in February '09 - about three weeks after Obama's inauguration.

If it's jobs you're referring to, I instead have this:

Public-sector and private-sector employment under Bush vs. Obama:

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Your idea - that it's a sudden turnaround, after 4 years of disaster under the Socialist Obama Administration (tm), is still bullshit - and the bullshit is still marinated in horse-piss.

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:Obama is a socialist, that's for certain.


Lol no. Anywhere but the USA, he'd be a good fit for the right-wing political parties. It's only in America, where the political spectrum is fucked up beyond belief, that there's anyone at all who seriously considers him socialist.


So suddenly, Obama's inauguration just made jobs start appearing on magic.

It is as if the Pope pissed into the well of job creation and blessed it, it's that magical.

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Postby Frisivisia » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:24 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Norstal wrote:inb4 Taxes is theft.

Can we just rename NationStates to FreeRepublic at this point?


Notice the people who scream "TAXES IS THEFT" the loudest never complain about sales taxes?

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Postby Thafoo » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:24 pm

Salamanderston wrote:
New Chalcedon wrote:
Bullshit marinated in horse-piss, as is to be expected from the "Obama's a Socialist!!" crowd.

Image

Note that the turnaround started in February '09 - about three weeks after Obama's inauguration.

If it's jobs you're referring to, I instead have this:

Public-sector and private-sector employment under Bush vs. Obama:

Image

Your idea - that it's a sudden turnaround, after 4 years of disaster under the Socialist Obama Administration (tm), is still bullshit - and the bullshit is still marinated in horse-piss.



Lol no. Anywhere but the USA, he'd be a good fit for the right-wing political parties. It's only in America, where the political spectrum is fucked up beyond belief, that there's anyone at all who seriously considers him socialist.


So suddenly, Obama's inauguration just made jobs start appearing on magic.

It is as if the Pope pissed into the well of job creation and blessed it, it's that magical.

Aaaand who said the inauguration had anything to do with it? Besides, if his inauguration itself caused jobs, is that a bad thing?

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Postby Thafoo » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:25 pm

Frisivisia wrote:
Gauthier wrote:
Notice the people who scream "TAXES IS THEFT" the loudest never complain about sales taxes?

9/9/9

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Postby Salamanderston » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:26 pm

Saruhan wrote:
Salamanderston wrote:
So doing something and being less hidden about it. . .like murdering someone or stealing their wallet is OK but hiding it from them is not.

Ok.

What are you even trying to say? Yes, Obama was being a good leader by stopping the practice of hiding the countries finances. Yes, i'm glad you agree that Bush was being a bad leader for doing this


What I am saying is; just because you don't hide behind a curtain of raising the debt still makes it raising the debt.

Did anyone mention Obama tripled everything from Bush.

It's like a contest to see who can raise the debt of a nation the fastest.

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Postby New West Guiana » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:27 pm

Right after Obama took office Fox and the righ wing crackk pots told us America will look like this...sooo scary! :shock:
And that he is another Hitler/Satlin/Mao/ and he'd brain wash us with his "Hope and change".
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Obviously anyone with a brain that functions correctly knows all to well that under Obama capitalism is alive and well, the rich are getting richer, the poor are getting poorer. No Obama didn't bring Socialism to America he's only helped kill it off even further since so many socailstphobs are so scared of Socialism and government take over.
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Postby Salamanderston » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:28 pm

Thafoo wrote:
Salamanderston wrote:
So suddenly, Obama's inauguration just made jobs start appearing on magic.

It is as if the Pope pissed into the well of job creation and blessed it, it's that magical.

Aaaand who said the inauguration had anything to do with it? Besides, if his inauguration itself caused jobs, is that a bad thing?


He is implying the very presence of Obama being elected made the economy better.

Do I have to remind people how many jobs were lost during all those stimulus bills?

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Postby Thafoo » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:29 pm

Salamanderston wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Aaaand who said the inauguration had anything to do with it? Besides, if his inauguration itself caused jobs, is that a bad thing?


He is implying the very presence of Obama being elected made the economy better.

Do I have to remind people how many jobs were lost during all those stimulus bills?

Well certainly no one was to feel comfortable under... *shudder*... BUSH.

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Postby New West Guiana » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:29 pm

Salamanderston wrote:
Thafoo wrote:Aaaand who said the inauguration had anything to do with it? Besides, if his inauguration itself caused jobs, is that a bad thing?


He is implying the very presence of Obama being elected made the economy better.

Do I have to remind people how many jobs were lost during all those stimulus bills?

You mean the ones passed under bush?
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Postby New Chalcedon » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:37 pm

Salamanderston wrote:
Thafoo wrote:
Compared to Bush...


You do realize that Bush spent bare non compared to Obama's spending which tripled our original debt.

Tripled.


More bullshit, I see.

US gross Federal debt as of Jan 2009: $10,626,877,048,913.08. (source)
US gross Federal debt as of Jan 31, 2013: $16,433,791,850,294.04 (source as above).

That's a 50% increase, not a 200% increase. So quit the bullshit assertions, because I will call them out each and every time.
This may sound crazy, but shouldn't one put blame on the bad practice of the original administration for tripling the bad practices the original moderates?

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Lol no I don't miss Dumbya, and I rather doubt anyone else does either. Also:

Federal deficit (projected) when Obama entered office: $1.2 trn.
Projected Federal deficit for FY 2013: $901bn.

So the deficit is in fact smaller than when Obama took office - it's been cut by a quarter. But, "what about spending?" I hear you ask - "Surely Obama's the big spender!"

Actually, he isn't - under the Obama Administration, total Federal spending has grown at the slowest rate of any President since Eisenhower.

So, to recap:

- The debt has not tripled since Obama took office, as you (falsely) state.
- Obama has not "doubled down" on Bush's ruinous policies, as you (falsely) state - the deficit is lower than when he took office, and spending has stalled.

In short, your post is once again pure, unmixed, Grade-A bullshit - without even the grace of having been marinated in horse-piss this time.

Salamanderston wrote:
New Chalcedon wrote:*snips*


So suddenly, Obama's inauguration just made jobs start appearing on magic.

It is as if the Pope pissed into the well of job creation and blessed it, it's that magical.


You know, I'm not seeing any instant turn-around in job numbers there. I'm simply noting that the turnaround happened a lot sooner than "4 years of down down down" after Obama's inauguration.

But hey, think what you want - dwell in whatever right-wing nutjob fantasy land pleases you, just don't strawman my remarks, or you won't like the result.
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Postby Napkiraly » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:55 pm

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:Obama is a socialist, that's for certain.

lol No, he isn't. He isn't advocating workers owning the means of production.

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Postby New West Guiana » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:57 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:nip

it's hard to argue against facts and numbers but then again see my sig..
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Postby Arcturus Novus » Fri Feb 01, 2013 4:59 pm

Gauthier wrote:
Salamanderston wrote:So let's ignore 4 years of down down down?

Ok.


So 8 years of deficit spending and deregulation can be fixed in 4. I did not know that.

Of course it can. Obama can't because he's a Muslim socialist.
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Postby New Chalcedon » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:01 pm

New West Guiana wrote:
New Chalcedon wrote:nip

it's hard to argue against facts and numbers but then again see my sig..


No doubt Salamanderston will find a way to argue against reality. Failing that, s/he will instead simply call all of my sources "biased".
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Postby Salamanderston » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:19 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:
Salamanderston wrote:
You do realize that Bush spent bare non compared to Obama's spending which tripled our original debt.

Tripled.


More bullshit, I see.

US gross Federal debt as of Jan 2009: $10,626,877,048,913.08. (source)
US gross Federal debt as of Jan 31, 2013: $16,433,791,850,294.04 (source as above).

That's a 50% increase, not a 200% increase. So quit the bullshit assertions, because I will call them out each and every time.
This may sound crazy, but shouldn't one put blame on the bad practice of the original administration for tripling the bad practices the original moderates?

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Lol no I don't miss Dumbya, and I rather doubt anyone else does either. Also:

Federal deficit (projected) when Obama entered office: $1.2 trn.
Projected Federal deficit for FY 2013: $901bn.

So the deficit is in fact smaller than when Obama took office - it's been cut by a quarter. But, "what about spending?" I hear you ask - "Surely Obama's the big spender!"

Actually, he isn't - under the Obama Administration, total Federal spending has grown at the slowest rate of any President since Eisenhower.

So, to recap:

- The debt has not tripled since Obama took office, as you (falsely) state.
- Obama has not "doubled down" on Bush's ruinous policies, as you (falsely) state - the deficit is lower than when he took office, and spending has stalled.

In short, your post is once again pure, unmixed, Grade-A bullshit - without even the grace of having been marinated in horse-piss this time.

Salamanderston wrote:
So suddenly, Obama's inauguration just made jobs start appearing on magic.

It is as if the Pope pissed into the well of job creation and blessed it, it's that magical.


You know, I'm not seeing any instant turn-around in job numbers there. I'm simply noting that the turnaround happened a lot sooner than "4 years of down down down" after Obama's inauguration.

But hey, think what you want - dwell in whatever right-wing nutjob fantasy land pleases you, just don't strawman my remarks, or you won't like the result.


Speaking of dwelling in fantasies. . . .

Do you honestly believe that all that spending on the stimulus just didn't happen, and the buying of those companies. . .and that healthcare bill?

Do you want me to honestly believe that?

Maybe I was off about the triple increase, since I heard it from somewhere else or misunderstood what was given to me, but the fact you point out the debt has increased dramatically from Bush's 10 trillion to Obama's 14 trillion (which only took Obama 4 years to do so) just proves you alone are just incompetent.

You also forget that the author of that post of Obama's spending put the stimulus bill in Bush's name, noting her bias in the affair is just dramatic.

I giggled when I saw 'spending has stalled'.

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Postby Orenica » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:19 pm

Phocidaea wrote:Evidently Obama got low Marx on his Socialist exams.

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Postby Salamanderston » Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:20 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:
New West Guiana wrote:it's hard to argue against facts and numbers but then again see my sig..


No doubt Salamanderston will find a way to argue against reality. Failing that, s/he will instead simply call all of my sources "biased".


Stats = reality.

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