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Postby Sibirsky » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:06 pm

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Sibirsky wrote:Corporatists are not capitalists.

All capitalists who believe in any sort of democratic government are.

No, they aren't.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:07 pm

Azurand wrote:Obama is socialist? 'Murikan standard is straange...

No. Again, it's just the most radical right wingers. America is so highly advanced that even our dregs have access to the internet.
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Postby Yandere Schoolgirls » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:08 pm

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Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:It doesn't matter, because he's still spending too much. He's spending more than Bush, and I doubt he's going to stop until there's hyper-inflation. The fact that spending has rose so little during his term is a non-issue. I don't even see the point of bringing it up

Unless of course you understand macroeconomics, which you don't seem to do.
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Thanks for confirming you don't understand national debt.

I would pay money to see you operate a business using the very same principles that you espouse on this forum.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:09 pm

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Mavorpen wrote:Unless of course you understand macroeconomics, which you don't seem to do.

Thanks for confirming you don't understand national debt.

I would pay money to see you operate a business using the very same principles that you espouse on this forum.

I would pay money to see you actually go to fucking school so that you can understand a FUNDAMENTAL concept of economics: that household and business debt are much different than national debt.
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Postby Norstal » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:10 pm

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Unless of course you understand macroeconomics, which you don't seem to do.

Thanks for confirming you don't understand national debt.

I would pay money to see you operate a business using the very same principles that you espouse on this forum.

I'm going to go kill a kitten for every time someone treats running the nation is the same thing as running a business.
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Postby Yandere Schoolgirls » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:11 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:I would pay money to see you operate a business using the very same principles that you espouse on this forum.

I would pay money to see you actually go to fucking school so that you can understand a FUNDAMENTAL concept of economics: that household and business debt are much different than national debt.

Not really, but whatever gets you to sleep at night.

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Postby Nua Corda » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:11 pm

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Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:I would pay money to see you operate a business using the very same principles that you espouse on this forum.

I'm going to go kill a kitten for every time someone treats running the nation is the same thing as running a business.


I think you're gunna run out of kittens pretty damned fast.
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Postby Yandere Schoolgirls » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:11 pm

Norstal wrote:
Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:I would pay money to see you operate a business using the very same principles that you espouse on this forum.

I'm going to go kill a kitten for every time someone treats running the nation is the same thing as running a business.

It quite literally is the same.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:13 pm

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I would pay money to see you actually go to fucking school so that you can understand a FUNDAMENTAL concept of economics: that household and business debt are much different than national debt.

Not really, but whatever gets you to sleep at night.

Really?

Since when can businesses collect taxes? :roll:
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Postby Sibirsky » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:14 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:I would pay money to see you operate a business using the very same principles that you espouse on this forum.

I would pay money to see you actually go to fucking school so that you can understand a FUNDAMENTAL concept of economics: that household and business debt are much different than national debt.

How are they different?
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Postby Fusion Corp » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:14 pm

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:
Norstal wrote:I'm going to go kill a kitten for every time someone treats running the nation is the same thing as running a business.

It quite literally is the same.

There are some fundamental differences.. such as not everyone in the country is your employee. Taxes don't exist in businesses, neither do subsidies, or social policies.
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Postby Sibirsky » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:14 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:Not really, but whatever gets you to sleep at night.

Really?

Since when can businesses collect taxes? :roll:

Taxes can be increased, indefinitely?
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Postby Geilinor » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:16 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I would pay money to see you actually go to fucking school so that you can understand a FUNDAMENTAL concept of economics: that household and business debt are much different than national debt.

How are they different?

Governments can print some money, as long as inflation stays fairly low.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:19 pm

Sibirsky wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:Really?

Since when can businesses collect taxes? :roll:

Taxes can be increased, indefinitely?

So businesses can collect taxes?
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Postby Wikkiwallana » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:21 pm

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Saruhan wrote:What are you even trying to say? Yes, Obama was being a good leader by stopping the practice of hiding the countries finances. Yes, i'm glad you agree that Bush was being a bad leader for doing this


What I am saying is; just because you don't hide behind a curtain of raising the debt still makes it raising the debt.

Did anyone mention Obama tripled everything from Bush.

It's like a contest to see who can raise the debt of a nation the fastest.

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Postby Yandere Schoolgirls » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:24 pm

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Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:Not really, but whatever gets you to sleep at night.

Really?

Since when can businesses collect taxes? :roll:

That has nothing to do with it. Debt is debt, if a business starting up takes out a loan, but several years discovers it running deficits and in light of this decides to take out of a larger loan while continuing to build the failed business even larger, then it's going to fail regardless. It's simply a matter of when.

Same thing with Government, the US Government at this point represents a failed business venture, and the more loans it receives the longer it postpones it's inevitable day of reckoning; the united states will go bankrupt just like the failed corporation. It's just a matter of when.

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Postby New Chalcedon » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:25 pm

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:
Norstal wrote:I'm going to go kill a kitten for every time someone treats running the nation is the same thing as running a business.

It quite literally is the same.


And there goes another kitten......at least the local wildlife's a bit safer.

Slightly more seriously, here are a few people point out how governments are not like businesses, and/or why they shouldn't be treated like such:

From that well-known haven of Socialism, Forbes.com;
Also here;
Paul Krugman: America Isn't A Corporation.

Go and read those, and then claim with a straight face - if you can - that government "quite literally is the same" as business.
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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:25 pm

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:That has nothing to do with it. Debt is debt, if a business starting up takes out a loan, but several years discovers it running deficits and in light of this decides to take out of a larger loan while continuing to build the failed business even larger, then it's going to fail regardless. It's simply a matter of when.

Again, can businesses tax?
Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:Same thing with Government, the US Government at this point represents a failed business venture, and the more loans it receives the longer it postpones it's inevitable day of reckoning; the united states will go bankrupt just like the failed corporation. It's just a matter of when.

No it won't. You still have not supported this.
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Postby Yandere Schoolgirls » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:27 pm

Fusion Corp wrote:
Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:It quite literally is the same.

There are some fundamental differences.. such as not everyone in the country is your employee. Taxes don't exist in businesses, neither do subsidies, or social policies.

The Government's is hired collectively by the people, and it's job is to provide a service that's worth the money. Balancing its spending, and providing a worthwhile service is its job. In a sense the Government is very much like a business, and should be ran as if it were one.

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Postby Mavorpen » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:28 pm

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:The Government's is hired collectively by the people, and it's job is to provide a service that's worth the money. Balancing its spending, and providing a worthwhile service is its job. In a sense the Government is very much like a business, and should be ran as if it were one.

Can businesses use deficits to stimulate growth of their company? Can it inject money into its own business? Can it change interest rates? Tell me when they can do all of this and more, then I'll take you seriously.
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Postby Yandere Schoolgirls » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:29 pm

New Chalcedon wrote:
Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:It quite literally is the same.


And there goes another kitten......at least the local wildlife's a bit safer.

Slightly more seriously, here are a few people point out how governments are not like businesses, and/or why they shouldn't be treated like such:

From that well-known haven of Socialism, Forbes.com;
Also here;
Paul Krugman: America Isn't A Corporation.

Go and read those, and then claim with a straight face - if you can - that government "quite literally is the same" as business.

No, I will not read those.

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Postby New West Guiana » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:30 pm

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:No, I will not read those.

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Postby Condunum » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:30 pm

Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:
New Chalcedon wrote:
And there goes another kitten......at least the local wildlife's a bit safer.

Slightly more seriously, here are a few people point out how governments are not like businesses, and/or why they shouldn't be treated like such:

From that well-known haven of Socialism, Forbes.com;
Also here;
Paul Krugman: America Isn't A Corporation.

Go and read those, and then claim with a straight face - if you can - that government "quite literally is the same" as business.

No, I will not read those.

Do you have any rational reason why?
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Postby Yandere Schoolgirls » Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:30 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Yandere Schoolgirls wrote:The Government's is hired collectively by the people, and it's job is to provide a service that's worth the money. Balancing its spending, and providing a worthwhile service is its job. In a sense the Government is very much like a business, and should be ran as if it were one.

Can businesses use deficits to stimulate growth of their company? Can it inject money into its own business? Can it change interest rates? Tell me when they can do all of this and more, then I'll take you seriously.


I'm sure they can, but it would be retarded. It would be just as retarded as everything the Government is doing now.

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